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On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:57:14 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
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Willy-boy I keep telling you that you flaunt your ignorance every time
you open your mouth.

Sadly you don't listen.


A real sailor such as myself has learned to ignore the squeakings and
droppings of a dock rat.

Wilbur Hubbard

And as Gorge Eliot once said, "blessed is the man who, having nothing
to say, abstains from giving us evidence of the fact."

When will you ever learn Willie-boy?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:14:58 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:19:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0700, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

However, part of the problem in that conversion is that you can
get a 36' sailboat in decent condition for about half the cost
of a 36' trawler.

Considering that the trawler probably has more than twice as much
livable space and a lot more comfortable, not such a bad deal. :-)




It's a bad deal for the environment as marine diesel engines are notorious
for the huge amounts of air pollution they spew. And, they drip oil and
fuel
and foul the bilges which foul bilge water and fuel dregs are then pumped
into the water.

I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be
justified
in thinking that their fun takes precedence over folks who wish to breathe
clean air. It's such a me me me, selfish attitude. It reeks of elitism and
hypocrisy.

Really, it's no different than Al Gore flying all over the glove in his
private jet then complaining about how much pollution and CO2 other people
are responsible for.

Yah, right!


Wilbur Hubbard


And so speaks Willie-Boy the armchair sailor - (wonder what he has
been reading this week?)

And, as usual, full of it, right up to his brown eyes.

Firstly a marine diesel is not more likely to "spew huge amounts of
air pollution" then any other engine. Probably even less harmful
pollution then Willie-boy's frequently mentioned Van (where he hand
washes his shorts).


Wrong! Diesels are very high compression engines. This means they intake big
doses of air and exhaust the same mixed with burned and partially burned
diesel fumes along with huge amounts of CO2, some CO and plenty of NO. IOW
POLLUTION in large volumes.

Willie, what has gotten into you? the amount of air that an engine
"intake" is dependant on two things. One, the displacement of the
engine and, two, whether the engine is supercharged. It has nothing
whatsoever to do with the compression ratio.

Secondly, as a diesel engine's speed is governed by the quantity of
fuel consumed its exhaust, while running in a steady state, contains
far less partially burned hydro-carbons then a gasoline engine under
the same conditions, since only the minimum quantity of fuel necessary
for the engine to operate at the intended load and RPM is injected.

And yet again (yawn) Willie-boy proves to the world his remarkable
lack of knowledge if what he is talking about.


It is an obvious lie when Willie-boy says that "I never could
understand how anybody in their right mind could be justified in
thinking that their fun takes precedence". His posts to this group
alone demonstrate that he feels that HIS fun takes precedence.


How is it my lifestyle is now defined as 'fun?' It just so happens that I
take my sailing life seriously. Calling sailing 'fun' makes light of the
fact that it is a serious pursuit which, when done right, can be said to be
challenging and enjoyable but calling it 'fun' marginalizes the importance
of taking it seriously.


Wilbur Hubbard


Goodness Willie-boy, what a bunch of bumph. You take you sailing life
seriously? A joke, right?

You don't make a living with a boat you just fool about with one on
weekends. What else would one call it?
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:02:14 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
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snippage


Thus speaks Capt. (outboard) Willie. Can anyone say Hypocrite? Or
Phoney?


I'm sure your wife, children and grandchildren all use the words frequently
when they talk about you. LOL!


Wilbur Hubbard

Why would they? they aren't talking about you.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:09:47 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:57:10 -0700, Jessica B
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:20:53 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:47:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
om...
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote:

While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling
us
why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK.


I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water.



The Tohatsu 6HP is a four-stroke motor and meets Ultra Low emission
standards.

Not only that, but it is rarely used - unlike your diesel boat which
uses
the engine every time it gets underway. My sailing yacht moves about
98% of
the time under sail. Your diesel boat moves 100% of the time under the
pollution-making diesel. You should be ashamed of yourself.

And, probably even when you're not underway, you're running a diesel
powered
generator. So, in effect, you pollute 24/7 when you're out cruising.

So, stop trying to change the subject. Just admit your irresponsible and
selfish attitude concerning your willingness to pollute the very air we
breathe just because you honestly feel your recreation is more important
than our health.


Wilbur Hubbard


Ah Willie-boy but you are rationalizing your need for a motor, aren't
you. A famous (armchair) sailor like you admitting that he needs a
motor. I'm ashamed of you.

Better read another book to teach you how to sail without a motor and
then you can be 100%.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

I didn't see him rationalizing anything like that. He said he uses it
rarely and appropriately. How is that a rationalization?

At best it is rationalization. for one who frequently extols his great
skill in pure sailing to be found out to have a (Ugh) motor and to
admit that he uses it appropriately... How can one who is such a
skilled sailor use a motor appropriately?

Given that, they say, life is a learning process, perhaps you would
like to take a look at the dictionary:

Hypocrite:
A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she
does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives

Or perhaps, to use the vernacular:

Phoney:
A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not
hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives


If you knew how to use a dictionary, Bruce, you wouldn't have misspelled
'phony.'

SMACKDOWN!


Wilbur Hubbard

A beautiful try Willie-boy; unfortunately you missed it. You 'mericans
are not the final arbitrator of the English language. See the extract
from the dictionary below:

phoney ~ noun very rare
1. a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does
not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives

phoney ~ adj very rare
1. fraudulent; having a misleading appearance

As I said, if you keep your mouth shut nobody will ever notice how
ignorant you are.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:16:36 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
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Oh Willie-boy, such an exciting description, but I thought this was a
cruising group... Oh,I see. One who doesn't sail can't be a cruiser
and is left little choice but to describe his shore side experiences.


Like when you bore us with descriptions of your wife, children and
grandchildren, Grandpa?

ROFLOL!


Wilbur Hubbard

Nice one Willie-boy, but again you exhibit your ignorance as I have
never described my wife, children or grand kids.

Must be like the Thai Sticks and Phoney, an American affection, as I
have only mentioned my family in passing, no description or details at
all..

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:39:14 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:35:30 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

Jessica B wrote:

Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of
LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would
get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what
about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that
would decrease the time you spend traveling.



But how MUCH longer does the waterline get?
Seldom more than a few inches at most.

As for the other, it's called current.
And if you are going against it, slower than the current is running,
you go backwards...
What fun, huh?


The long overhangs was a relic of one of the old racing rules that
penalized long waterlines. So, the crafty people built a boat with a
very short waterline and sailed it heeled and had a effective
waterline much longer then what was measured for handy cap rating.

Current is only a real help in the few instances where it always runs
the same way. The more usual conditions have it going one way for a
half a day and the other way for the other half. Net help = Zero.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

At first someone claimed that the waterline difference would be tiny.
I found to be what seems a recent photo where that's not the case, and
now you're claiming it's a relic? I don't get that. Either it can be a
factor or it can't be.

Yes, I get that current is only a real help in a few instances. What
about the gulf stream example? I don't think that changes direction
does it?

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On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:39:13 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:44:36 -0700, Jessica B
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:55:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:02:48 -0700, Jessica B
wrote:
Much Bumph snipped


Ok... so if you have boat that'll go 10 mph and the reverse tide is
pulling you at 5 mph vs. you have a boat that'll only go 5 mph....

You are still looking at speeds in excess of what the "normal"
cruising boat is capable of sustaining for any cruise.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as
possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous.

Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic.

Sorry, I was trying to explain why it is illogical to attempt to
outrun weather patterns in a vehicle that thunders through the waves
at 5 miles an hour - A kid on a Huffy can outrun you. Sheehs, a fast
walker can "outrun" you.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

I didn't say out run anything. I thought we were talking about the
difference between 5mph and 7mph over a distance. That's a significant
time difference over a longish distance.

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:57:04 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:09:47 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:57:10 -0700, Jessica B
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:20:53 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:47:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
news:mu57o6p2qp9pa7roie5hnid4j6v0l6iqbo@4ax. com...
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote:

While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling
us
why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK.


I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water.



The Tohatsu 6HP is a four-stroke motor and meets Ultra Low emission
standards.

Not only that, but it is rarely used - unlike your diesel boat which
uses
the engine every time it gets underway. My sailing yacht moves about
98% of
the time under sail. Your diesel boat moves 100% of the time under the
pollution-making diesel. You should be ashamed of yourself.

And, probably even when you're not underway, you're running a diesel
powered
generator. So, in effect, you pollute 24/7 when you're out cruising.

So, stop trying to change the subject. Just admit your irresponsible and
selfish attitude concerning your willingness to pollute the very air we
breathe just because you honestly feel your recreation is more important
than our health.


Wilbur Hubbard


Ah Willie-boy but you are rationalizing your need for a motor, aren't
you. A famous (armchair) sailor like you admitting that he needs a
motor. I'm ashamed of you.

Better read another book to teach you how to sail without a motor and
then you can be 100%.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

I didn't see him rationalizing anything like that. He said he uses it
rarely and appropriately. How is that a rationalization?

At best it is rationalization. for one who frequently extols his great
skill in pure sailing to be found out to have a (Ugh) motor and to
admit that he uses it appropriately... How can one who is such a
skilled sailor use a motor appropriately?

Given that, they say, life is a learning process, perhaps you would
like to take a look at the dictionary:

Hypocrite:
A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she
does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives

Or perhaps, to use the vernacular:

Phoney:
A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not
hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives


If you knew how to use a dictionary, Bruce, you wouldn't have misspelled
'phony.'

SMACKDOWN!


Wilbur Hubbard

A beautiful try Willie-boy; unfortunately you missed it. You 'mericans
are not the final arbitrator of the English language. See the extract
from the dictionary below:

phoney ~ noun very rare
1. a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does
not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives

phoney ~ adj very rare
1. fraudulent; having a misleading appearance

As I said, if you keep your mouth shut nobody will ever notice how
ignorant you are.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

That seems pretty desperate. You should admit when you're wrong about
something especially if it's a small thing.

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On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:59:22 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:20:47 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:20:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
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Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air
pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony
so
often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies
so
they can't smell or hear it anymore.

Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and
anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all
day
and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the
household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would
STAY
home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak?
You
ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish
to
understand what you're doing?

I'm hoping that if (when?) we work out the details, you wouldn't let
that happen to us!

Rest assured, I will find us a nice quiet anchorage all of our own with no
motorboats within miles. I got your email that you will be working on
details later on when things become more concrete.

As my brother would say, "Bitchin!" :-)

Neither of us are interested in motor smell. I'm going to email you
later hopefullly with some more details.


JMB just e-mailed me. She sounds like an organized person and a go-getter. I
CC'd you my reply to her. Things are looking good. She's got some firm dates
in mind so check your inbox. Sounds like she's planning to rent a car at the
airport so you two should coordinate your flights if you can so you can ride
together. It sure would save me time going back and forth twice to the
airport. In exchange I've offered to get you guys a room while you're here
so you can have all the luxuries you're used to and a safe place for your
luggage. Sounds like a deal to me. ;-)

You're an EXCELLENT person!

I promise to be better about email and such. I've just been swamped
with job and personal stuff.



Yup, land lubbers are mostly what one sees these days out here on the
water.
They are like cockroaches - you can't stamp them out. I just wish they
would
stay ashore where they belong. They have no respect for anything. They
use
the water as their 'getaway' and they think their 'fun' comes first over
the
RIGHTS of others. Such a selfish attitude and totally out of place on the
water.

Here is a good example for you of just how awful some of these jerks
really
are. Two fishermen were arrested a few months ago for cutting the pouch of
a
couple of pelicans because they claimed the pelicans were eating *their*
fish. Duh. I would say the fishermen where catching and eating the
pelican's
fish. A cut pouch causes the pelican to slowly starve to death because
when
they dive on a fish the pouch doesn't contain it. The fish escapes out the
slit in the pouch. Maybe the fishermen are the ones who needed their
throats cut.


I don't see how anyone could be so cruel. That's really a sad story.


Some humans are, I swear, sub-human. Even the animals they abuse are more
evolved.

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:23:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:25:41 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
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I've seen way more sailors who use their engine as a crutch in lieu of
learning how to handle their boat under sail. I've even had some of the
Rubes in this very group try to say it's irresponsible to anchor under
sail
if there are other boats anchored. They say such nonsense because they
never
learned how to anchor under sail and if they tried they would most likely
ram somebody. If they weren't so inept or inexperienced they would
discover
that a sailboat has better steering functionality under a balanced
sailplan
than under engine power alone.


I'd imagine that if the sailor is experienced in anchoring when
sailing that it wouldn't matter if there were rocks or other boats
around. I don't think I could do it, but ....

You could do it, Jessica, once you familiarized yourself with the
characteristics and handling of your sailboat, the ground tackle, bottom
conditions and wind/current. Like anything else it just takes some
experience and some understanding of how things work. With your analytical
mind, you'd be anchoring under sail with the best of them in no time. It's
more about finesse than muscle. Even a big strong man simply cannot muscle a
four-ton sailboat into place. On the contrary, one must know what the boat
is going to do and let the boat do it in the direction and velocity one
desires. A sailboat is like a woman. You gotta let her do what she wants but
you have to know what she wants to do and then everything goes as expected.


Wilbur Hubbard



I hope we're going to get a lesson! I'm up for it if you have a pair
of gloves I can use.

I've gotta get to the gym. Then, I'll email you more, but let me know
you got the last one!!