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Jessica B wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:35:30 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

Jessica B wrote:
Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of
LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would
get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what
about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that
would decrease the time you spend traveling.


But how MUCH longer does the waterline get?
Seldom more than a few inches at most.

As for the other, it's called current.
And if you are going against it, slower than the current is running,
you go backwards...
What fun, huh?

Well, I looked at some pictures, and it seems to me that it would be
more than that... like this one.

http://www.xsracing.org/images/home/8113.jpg

Ok, current, so what about that?


How would I know?
I'm rude, remember?

--

Richard Lamb

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On 3/23/2011 12:54 AM, CaveLamb wrote:
Jessica B wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:35:30 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

Jessica B wrote:
Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of
LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would
get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what
about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that
would decrease the time you spend traveling.


But how MUCH longer does the waterline get?
Seldom more than a few inches at most.

As for the other, it's called current.
And if you are going against it, slower than the current is running,
you go backwards...
What fun, huh?

Well, I looked at some pictures, and it seems to me that it would be
more than that... like this one.

http://www.xsracing.org/images/home/8113.jpg

Ok, current, so what about that?


How would I know?
I'm rude, remember?

Impossible to tell from that photo if the boat is making headway. Is the
bimbo trying to make a point?

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"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:50:17 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:50:24 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

We have a winner, folks!

212 lines

I have no idea what this means....



He's whining about your not trimming outdated and irrelevant material from
your posts. That's why I called him a net nanny.

Wilbur Hubbard


Maybe he needs to take a chill pill.



Yah, a six-pack of them. LOL!

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"Jessica B" wrote in message



You could just drop your sail and you'd still be going. That's cool.


Just like Tom Sawyer going down the Mississippi . . .

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"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:03:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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trimmed all of Bruce's gibberish

I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as
possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous.

Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic.


You don't understand it because it's ignorance that resides behind Bruce's
misconceptions. It's the old justification those who sail slowcoaches use
so
they don't become upset at how they bought the wrong boat that is actually
less safe because it won't get out of its own way. While a fast boat like
mine is safe in a protected harbor a slowcoach like Bruce's will be in the
teeth of a storm and could well founder.

Wilbur Hubbard



I'd love to hear the logic if he wants, but I guess he doesn't want.


With Bruce, it's more a matter of lack than want. ROFLOL.


Wilbur Hubbard

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"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:20:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
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Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air
pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony so
often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies so
they can't smell or hear it anymore.

Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and
anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all day
and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the
household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would STAY
home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak? You
ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish to
understand what you're doing?

I'm hoping that if (when?) we work out the details, you wouldn't let
that happen to us!

Rest assured, I will find us a nice quiet anchorage all of our own with no
motorboats within miles. I got your email that you will be working on
details later on when things become more concrete.


Take an example a lubber might understand. A lubber goes to a campground
in
a State Park and sets up his little tent in the woods and hopes to have a
good time cooking over the campfire, perhaps catching a fish in the stream
and enjoying the ambience. And, along comes a giant motor home that parks
right upwind from his campsite, blocks most of the view, runs a smelly,
noisy generator all night long, plays loud music, has a couple of dogs
that
bark all night, throws his trash and cigarette butts all over the place,
empties his holding tank on the ground, disgorges a couple of motorbikes
and
blasts them, without mufflers, through the woods around and around for
hours
(equivalent to a jet-ski) etc. Would the tent camper want to shoot the
inconsiderate *******? You bet he would. Yet motor boaters and some of the
larger sail boaters seem to think this sort of crap is cool and other
boaters will envy them and enjoy their presence. Freaking LUNATICS!

Wilbur Hubbard


Oh... land lubber. Ok... confused me for a minute.

Exactly though... pick up your sh*t. I mean HELLO?


Yup, land lubbers are mostly what one sees these days out here on the water.
They are like cockroaches - you can't stamp them out. I just wish they would
stay ashore where they belong. They have no respect for anything. They use
the water as their 'getaway' and they think their 'fun' comes first over the
RIGHTS of others. Such a selfish attitude and totally out of place on the
water.

Here is a good example for you of just how awful some of these jerks really
are. Two fishermen were arrested a few months ago for cutting the pouch of a
couple of pelicans because they claimed the pelicans were eating *their*
fish. Duh. I would say the fishermen where catching and eating the pelican's
fish. A cut pouch causes the pelican to slowly starve to death because when
they dive on a fish the pouch doesn't contain it. The fish escapes out the
slit in the pouch. Maybe the fishermen are the ones who needed their
throats cut.

Wilbur Hubbard

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On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:44:36 -0700, Jessica B
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:55:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:02:48 -0700, Jessica B
wrote:
Much Bumph snipped


Ok... so if you have boat that'll go 10 mph and the reverse tide is
pulling you at 5 mph vs. you have a boat that'll only go 5 mph....

You are still looking at speeds in excess of what the "normal"
cruising boat is capable of sustaining for any cruise.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as
possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous.

Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic.

Sorry, I was trying to explain why it is illogical to attempt to
outrun weather patterns in a vehicle that thunders through the waves
at 5 miles an hour - A kid on a Huffy can outrun you. Sheehs, a fast
walker can "outrun" you.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:57:10 -0700, Jessica B
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:20:53 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:47:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote:

While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us
why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK.


I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water.



The Tohatsu 6HP is a four-stroke motor and meets Ultra Low emission
standards.

Not only that, but it is rarely used - unlike your diesel boat which uses
the engine every time it gets underway. My sailing yacht moves about 98% of
the time under sail. Your diesel boat moves 100% of the time under the
pollution-making diesel. You should be ashamed of yourself.

And, probably even when you're not underway, you're running a diesel powered
generator. So, in effect, you pollute 24/7 when you're out cruising.

So, stop trying to change the subject. Just admit your irresponsible and
selfish attitude concerning your willingness to pollute the very air we
breathe just because you honestly feel your recreation is more important
than our health.


Wilbur Hubbard


Ah Willie-boy but you are rationalizing your need for a motor, aren't
you. A famous (armchair) sailor like you admitting that he needs a
motor. I'm ashamed of you.

Better read another book to teach you how to sail without a motor and
then you can be 100%.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

I didn't see him rationalizing anything like that. He said he uses it
rarely and appropriately. How is that a rationalization?

At best it is rationalization. for one who frequently extols his great
skill in pure sailing to be found out to have a (Ugh) motor and to
admit that he uses it appropriately... How can one who is such a
skilled sailor use a motor appropriately?

Given that, they say, life is a learning process, perhaps you would
like to take a look at the dictionary:

Hypocrite:
A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she
does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives

Or perhaps, to use the vernacular:

Phoney:
A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not
hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:48:18 -0700, Jessica B
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:07:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:02:48 -0700, Jessica B
wrote:
snip


Ok... so if you have boat that'll go 10 mph and the reverse tide is
pulling you at 5 mph vs. you have a boat that'll only go 5 mph....

You are still looking at speeds in excess of what the "normal"
cruising boat is capable of sustaining for any cruise.


No Jessica is NOT. For example, my fast, blue water yacht, "Cut the Mustard"
made a passage from Mobile Bay to Egmont Key (Tampa Bay). The time from sea
buoy to sea buoy was 36 hours. The distance was 300 miles.

300 divided by 36 = 8.3 mph average! The LWL of my fine yacht is 22 feet.
Theoretical hull speed is only about seven knots. But, as you can see, the
theory doesn't always describe fact. So, Jessica is not talking speeds in
excess of normal. If my small yacht can average 8.3mph then imagine the
speeds a fast sailing yacht with a LWL of forty feet could average.

Now, Bruce, if you had ever sailed a real fast cruising boat and not that
big fat rotten old tub you live at the dock in you might have gotten around
the world in half the time it took you just to get to Thailand.


Wilbur Hubbard


Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of
LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would
get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what
about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that
would decrease the time you spend traveling.

Goodness Jessie, but you seem to be learning about boats.

You are talking about boats designed with long overhangs, usually
relics of an old racing rule system that penalized unduly long
waterlines. Modern boats are designed with nearly vertical ends which
benefit very little from being heeled.

Another point is that boats sail fastest when vertical and heeling
results in a less efficient hull form which theoretically is slower so
speed under sail is very much a trade-off between caused by carrying a
lot of sails and the angle of heel that is decreasing the hulls
efficiency.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:03:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
trimmed all of Bruce's gibberish

I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as
possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous.

Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic.


You don't understand it because it's ignorance that resides behind Bruce's
misconceptions. It's the old justification those who sail slowcoaches use so
they don't become upset at how they bought the wrong boat that is actually
less safe because it won't get out of its own way. While a fast boat like
mine is safe in a protected harbor a slowcoach like Bruce's will be in the
teeth of a storm and could well founder.

Wilbur Hubbard

Ah, Willie-boy, the wonders of an active imagination.

Just sitting there your yellow anchor buoy has morphed into a fast
sailing boat. Amazing!

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)