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In article , Bob wrote:


I'm sorry, but if you included a long list of what "cruising is" in your
harangue of Skip, I missed it. Could you repost it?

Shure..........

We just bought a new boat and we plan to do some cruising, but I sure
wouldn't want to break any of your rules when we do.
So, please list your rules in order of importance.

Going from point A to point B without creating a potential hazard or
harm to self or others.

Spending money and wasting time in port fixing things is not
cruising.

So stuff on your boat never breaks or wears out, never needs maintenance? Sounds idyllic.


it like saying, a successfull
marrage is 50 years of hurtful cruelty and lonleness only folowed by
death!

It's nothing like and you know it.

Justin.

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In article , Bob wrote:

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Nor is cruising operating a vessel in a way that creates a
hazard to others (as in: no body at watch while underway)

So to cruise you must not sail single-handed across any body of water
that cannot be crossed in the amount of time you can stay awake?


Would you say flying cross country in a crashed home built aircraft
and "repaired" by someone who was never a licensed pilot and lacked
any mechanical skills hoped to fly cross country because it was his
life long dream. WOuld that be a good a good idea?

You are comparing apples with oranges. A boat will not necessarily crash
if the skipper takes a nap, it will not fall fatally to the ground
should a sail blow out (which, in flying terms - as you choose to use
them - would be akin to a wing falling off), and should the engine and
'wings' be lost one can survive weeks or months on a boat depending on
the provisions aboard - a plane is a *very* poor analogy.


Justin.

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On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 23:34:08 +0000, Justin C
wrote:

In article , Bob wrote:


I'm sorry, but if you included a long list of what "cruising is" in your
harangue of Skip, I missed it. Could you repost it?

Shure..........

We just bought a new boat and we plan to do some cruising, but I sure
wouldn't want to break any of your rules when we do.
So, please list your rules in order of importance.

Going from point A to point B without creating a potential hazard or
harm to self or others.

Spending money and wasting time in port fixing things is not
cruising.

So stuff on your boat never breaks or wears out, never needs maintenance? Sounds idyllic.



Well, the boom broke and we got a detailed lesson of how to fix it
using PVC water pipe, (rather reminiscent of Skip, except that Skip
doesn't try to impress us with his expertise) and the explanation of
how he fixed his fridge with the sticky tape, and it hasn't failed
yet, I don't remember any other recent stories.... Of course if one
doesn't sail then one doesn't break.

it like saying, a successfull
marrage is 50 years of hurtful cruelty and lonleness only folowed by
death!

It's nothing like and you know it.

Justin.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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Bob wrote:

A professional is a person who has a mastery compency level.

This is Total BS.... the definition of a "Professional" is that they get
PAID for their work. That is it, PERIOD. Any more than that is just
embellishment, and "Gilding the Lilly" I would question ANY so called
Professional about his/her experience before paying them a dime, for any
job I contract for, and would rather get an Amateur, with Man-Years of
experience, than a "Professional" with limited or no experience.

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On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:02:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

(rules about what cruising is all about listed in order of importance)


1) Cruising is a planned, uneventful, private and successful voyage from one
venue to another that takes into consideration the vessel, the crew, the
weather, the water, the stuff upon which the water lies and the hard stuff
around the edges of the water.

That's not cruising, that's voyaging. Of course voyaging is part of
cruising, but only a part. Uneventful? No, that would be BOR-ING!
Some, if not most, voyages will be eventful for one reason or another,
and some events will be quite pleasant and others very unpleasant.
Planning will vary, from a number of legs with pretty definite goals
to exiting the pass and tossing a mental coin or noting wind direction
as to which way to turn. I've done it both ways. Of course one has to
be prepared.


2) Cruising under sail is doing the above without using the motor unless the
wind dies completely.

Agree. I once spent about 6 months and over 2,000 NM and burned 2.5
Gal of diesel (I checked).


3) When cruising you should remain as inconspicuous as possible at all
times. This includes while underway and entering and exiting ports of call.
This also includes anchoring. If anybody's head pops out of a nearby
companionway or hatch to see what all the commotion is about as you pass by
or anchor you are doing something wrong.

I think I agree. Not so much with that "inconspicuous as possible"
part, but yes with the "head pops" part.


4) The same can be said about when you are getting under way.

5) When you're anchored don't run a portable generator. Don't run your
diesel at all unless there is an emergency and unless you are downwind of
EVERYBODY (diesel fumes go a long way downwind and are sickening and
unhealthy to breathe). Put a strap on that noisy wind generator in an
anchorage. If you need terawatts of electricity then stop being an obnoxious
skinflint with your noisy Honda portables and cheapass wind generators
whooshing and whistling and grinding away. Purchase and install a
water-cooled, inboard diesel generator and use it instead because they are
acceptable quiet but never use it upwind of anybody else.

I've read so much about "noisy wind generators" in this group, but
have never run into anyone at an anchorage that had any objections.
Way back when we actually asked a bunch of other folks if our wind gen
disturbed them and got looks like we were crazy.

I can't agree at all with #5. If somebody just has to have total quiet
they can go find it someplace else. They certainly aren't going to
find it at any fairly crowded anchorage.


6) Idle speed only when using your dinghy. Better yet, get your fat ass in
shape and use a rowing dinghy.

Agreed. We always had a hard dinghy so we could row. Also an
inflatable with a small outboard for exploring and diving.


7) Leave the barking dogs and crying babies at home.

That's simply not possible for some folks. Excessive barking or crying
is something that can and should be taken care of.


8) Cruising should be done for its own sake. If you can't enjoy cruising
without conducting a running dialog via the internet or telephone the whole
time, you aren't cruising - you're showing off or trying to show off and
you're making a pain in the ass out of yourself.

Cruising should be done for whatever the heck reason the cruiser is
doing it. We always did a web page because most of our friends and
family wanted to vicariously cruise with us. Other than that, which
was a bother sometimes, our reasons were to simply see new places and
enjoy life. Always on sailboats, mainly because of cost, but also
because of the lure of sail. To be honest, if money wasn't a
consideration I think I'd really enjoy cruising aboard a 90-foot,
45-knot motor yacht!



9) Cruisers are self-reliant. Never expect to be rescued. Don't ever call
for a rescue unless you're gonna die without a rescue. And, if you're gonna
die, think twice about calling for a rescue as the fact that you're gonna
die probably means you deserve to die because you've been too stupid to
live.


Except for the first sentence, that is pure bull crap.Well, sentence
three is true in most cases. There are many reasons to require a
rescue that have nothing to do with being stupid. One that comes to
mind is what recently happened to a friend - a drunk in a jet boat
(NOT a jet ski, a 21-footer) took his bow off and his underway
sailboat sunk almost instantly. Freak weather. Whales. Losing a keel
(a Benateau fovorite). Yes, these things are extremly rare, but they
do happen. Other than such a catasrophe, yes the cruiser should be
self reliant and able to repair or jury rig most anything.
Unfortunately, a lot of folks are simply not capable of doing this to
the n'th degree. Not a put down - as Dirty Harry said, you gotta' know
your limitations.


10) Go cruising. Shut up about it. Don't bother anybody else when you're
cruising.

Nothing to do with it.

Wilbur Hubbard

Rick Morel

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On Nov 5, 1:26*pm, Rick Morel wrote:
On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:02:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"

wrote:
(rules about what cruising is all about listed in order of importance)

1) Cruising is a planned, uneventful, private and successful voyage from one
venue to another that takes into consideration the vessel, the crew, the
weather, the water, the stuff upon which the water lies and the hard stuff
around the edges of the water.

That's not cruising, that's voyaging. Of course voyaging is part of
cruising, but only a part. Uneventful? No, that would be BOR-ING!

Now that is somthing an amature would say. Why does everything have to
be a 3 ring circus? For me pure joy is having everything go as
expected. Its called being in the grove by some. Ask any professional
mariner if they want a bunch of excitment on the boat.....


Some, if not most, voyages will be eventful for one reason or another,

I dis agree. Only the baffoons will rejoyce and go runing telling
everyone how they ****ed up and closely missed diaster by only afew
inches. WHen I hear that bilge I glaze over with as I do when I hear,
"... we are living our dream...."


3) When cruising you should remain as inconspicuous as possible at all
times. This includes while underway and entering and exiting ports of call.
This also includes anchoring. If anybody's head pops out of a nearby
companionway or hatch to see what all the commotion is about as you pass by
or anchor you are doing something wrong.

I think I agree. Not so much with that "inconspicuous as possible"
part, but yes with the "head pops" part.

Back packers have two rules.............
1) DO NO HARM
2) LEAVE NO TRACE

Now why cant boaters have that same philosophy?





I can't agree at all with #5. If somebody just has to have total quiet
they can go find it someplace else.

typical thoughts of an asshole. ANd how do your land neighbors next
door get along with that ?



They certainly aren't going to
find it at any fairly crowded anchorage.

no wonder so many in the world hates americans. Just think Rodney
Dangerfield in Caddy Shack.



7) Leave the barking dogs and crying babies at home.

That's simply not possible for some folks. Excessive barking or crying
is something that can and should be taken care of.

Yes, its called gaining parenting skills or get a vasectomy.
and no im not advocating "disciplining" your children. Which most
people interpret as spanking which I call assault.


To be honest, if money wasn't a
consideration I think I'd really enjoy cruising aboard a 90-foot,
45-knot motor yacht!

Guilty as charged.............. that is why youre one of those horses'
ass neighbors that cruisers/voyagers/mariners avoid. Your noisy,
unattentive of your vessel and would rather have a barge for a party
platform.

Wilbur Hubbard

Rick Morel

BOb

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On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:53:15 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

On Nov 5, 1:26*pm, Rick Morel wrote:


That's not cruising, that's voyaging. Of course voyaging is part of
cruising, but only a part. Uneventful? No, that would be BOR-ING!

Now that is somthing an amature would say. Why does everything have to
be a 3 ring circus? For me pure joy is having everything go as
expected. Its called being in the grove by some. Ask any professional
mariner if they want a bunch of excitment on the boat.....

Some, if not most, voyages will be eventful for one reason or another,

I dis agree. Only the baffoons will rejoyce and go runing telling
everyone how they ****ed up and closely missed diaster by only afew
inches. WHen I hear that bilge I glaze over with as I do when I hear,
"... we are living our dream...."


Bob, not only can't you spell, you apparently don't understand
English. Who said anything about a bunch of excitment or closely
missing disaster?

I'm really glad for you and Wilbur, who can take all those armchair
mind voyages and control all the forces of nature. When one really
does it, one finds out things happen. Good things as well as bad.

BTW, I was a professional mariner for about 15 years. I started out as
a paid deck hand on my dad's shrimpboat and worked my way up to
crewboat and shrimpboat captain. As an "amateur", I've got over 25,000
NM.

I'm also one of those people you really hate - half Sout' Lou-si-ana
coonass. You must really be an asshole if you can't get along with
cajuns, who are the most open minded, non-judgemental people in the
world.



I think I agree. Not so much with that "inconspicuous as possible"
part, but yes with the "head pops" part.

Back packers have two rules.............
1) DO NO HARM
2) LEAVE NO TRACE

Now why cant boaters have that same philosophy?

1) Take nothing but pictures
2) Leave nothing but footprints


I can't agree at all with #5. If somebody just has to have total quiet
they can go find it someplace else.

typical thoughts of an asshole. ANd how do your land neighbors next
door get along with that ?

There you go, not understanding English again. It's a statement of
fact, not a philosophy of life. I live in the real world and that's
just how it is. Those professional mariners you love so much are the
worse offenders.



They certainly aren't going to
find it at any fairly crowded anchorage.

no wonder so many in the world hates americans. Just think Rodney
Dangerfield in Caddy Shack.

You have no idea of what you're talking about. In the real world it
doesn't matter where that crowded anchorage is. I think the Med is
about the worse.



To be honest, if money wasn't a
consideration I think I'd really enjoy cruising aboard a 90-foot,
45-knot motor yacht!

Guilty as charged.............. that is why youre one of those horses'
ass neighbors that cruisers/voyagers/mariners avoid. Your noisy,
unattentive of your vessel and would rather have a barge for a party
platform.

Since you're so fond of the word, no you're the asshole. Maybe I
should have bought a stereo and turned it way up to keep the riff-raff
away. We regularly went to a lot of trouble to find a secluded, quiet
anchorage, only to have other boats come and surround us. You idiot, I
never said I made noise or any of that stuff. I don't know where you
got that idea. Oh wait, you just love to put people down and will find
the slightest excuse to do so. It makes you feel soooooo good! Only
thing, everyone knows you're mentally defective and really should be
totally ignored, but we still try to enlighten you, even though we
should know better.

You and Wilbur wouldn't even come close to making Skip's left little
finger, no matter how hard y'all tried

Rick

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On 11/7/10 9:53 PM, Bob wrote:
On Nov 5, 1:26 pm, Rick wrote:
On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:02:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"

wrote:
(rules about what cruising is all about listed in order of importance)

1) Cruising is a planned, uneventful, private and successful voyage from one
venue to another that takes into consideration the vessel, the crew, the
weather, the water, the stuff upon which the water lies and the hard stuff
around the edges of the water.

That's not cruising, that's voyaging. Of course voyaging is part of
cruising, but only a part. Uneventful? No, that would be BOR-ING!

Now that is somthing an amature would say. Why does everything have to
be a 3 ring circus? For me pure joy is having everything go as
expected. Its called being in the grove by some. Ask any professional
mariner if they want a bunch of excitment on the boat.....


Some, if not most, voyages will be eventful for one reason or another,

I dis agree. Only the baffoons will rejoyce and go runing telling
everyone how they ****ed up and closely missed diaster by only afew
inches. WHen I hear that bilge I glaze over with as I do when I hear,
"... we are living our dream...."


3) When cruising you should remain as inconspicuous as possible at all
times. This includes while underway and entering and exiting ports of call.
This also includes anchoring. If anybody's head pops out of a nearby
companionway or hatch to see what all the commotion is about as you pass by
or anchor you are doing something wrong.

I think I agree. Not so much with that "inconspicuous as possible"
part, but yes with the "head pops" part.

Back packers have two rules.............
1) DO NO HARM
2) LEAVE NO TRACE

Now why cant boaters have that same philosophy?





I can't agree at all with #5. If somebody just has to have total quiet
they can go find it someplace else.

typical thoughts of an asshole. ANd how do your land neighbors next
door get along with that ?



They certainly aren't going to
find it at any fairly crowded anchorage.

no wonder so many in the world hates americans. Just think Rodney
Dangerfield in Caddy Shack.



7) Leave the barking dogs and crying babies at home.

That's simply not possible for some folks. Excessive barking or crying
is something that can and should be taken care of.

Yes, its called gaining parenting skills or get a vasectomy.
and no im not advocating "disciplining" your children. Which most
people interpret as spanking which I call assault.


To be honest, if money wasn't a
consideration I think I'd really enjoy cruising aboard a 90-foot,
45-knot motor yacht!

Guilty as charged.............. that is why youre one of those horses'
ass neighbors that cruisers/voyagers/mariners avoid. Your noisy,
unattentive of your vessel and would rather have a barge for a party
platform.

Wilbur Hubbard

Rick Morel

BOb


It must be a lot of fun to "cruise" with you, bob...along the lines of a
root canal.

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BTW, I was a professional mariner for about 15 years. I started out as
a paid deck hand on my dad's shrimpboat

Ooo ur soundin like a coonass....


and worked my way up to
crewboat and shrimpboat captain.

Yup!

As an "amateur", I've got over 25,000
NM.


I'm also one of those people you really hate - half Sout' Lou-si-ana
coonass.

NOW I know why your posts rubbed me the wrong way. Okay now I know
exaclty who Im typin to.

You must really be an asshole if you can't get along with
cajuns, who are the most open minded, non-judgemental people in the
world.

OMG you do have a warped since of self concept.



There you go, not understanding English again. It's a statement of
fact, not a philosophy of life. I live in the real world and that's
just how it is. Those professional mariners you love so much are the
worse offenders.

I was referring to professional mariners not a bunch of 10th grade
dropout oilfield boat drivers.

Since you're so fond of the word, no you're the asshole.
Rick

I guess you cajuns may not be "...the most open minded, non-
judgemental people in the world...."

Later braa.

Bob