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On 11/1/10 6:13 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Justin wrote in message
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In , Flying Pig wrote:
Hi, boob, and list,

wrote in message
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I respect honesty.

Then, no doubt, you're thrilled with my candor in reporting our gaffes...
:{))


Whether or not someone would care to use me as a model (who'd want to
think
that the "daily crisis" - as one of our sisterships' owners called the
things which happen aboard - was what they had to look forward to?), it
could be instructive in either avoidance (the goofs) or emulation (the
good
parts, obviously).

It's been stated many times that cruising is fixing your boat in exotic
places, by that definition you're definitely doing it!


It has been *erroneously* stated by those who haven't sufficient wit to
figure out what cruising really is all about. It is now used to justify,
rationalize and glamorize ineptitude, sloth and cluelessness by this same
bunch of losers.



Wilbur Hubbard



Are you a refugee from septic tank known as rec.boats, Wilbur?

Please tell me..."what cruising really is all about."

We just bought a new boat and we plan to do some cruising, but I sure
wouldn't want to break any of your rules when we do.

So, please list your rules in order of importance.

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We just bought a new boat and we plan to do some cruising, but I sure
wouldn't want to break any of your rules when we do.

So, please list your rules in order of importance.


Going from point A to point B without creating a potential hazard or
harm to self or others.

Spending money and wasting time in port fixing things is not cruising.
that saying about fixing things in distant ports is a joke you
idiots,,,, its not a way of life..... it like saying, a successfull
marrage is 50 years of hurtful cruelty and lonleness only folowed by
death! Nor is cruising operating a vessel in a way that creates a
hazard to others (as in: no body at watch while underway)

Would you say flying cross country in a crashed home built aircraft
and "repaired" by someone who was never a licensed pilot and lacked
any mechanical skills hoped to fly cross country because it was his
life long dream. WOuld that be a good a good idea?

Would you really go for a flight with a guy who operated a homebuilt
like SKip runs his boat and call it a safe thing to do?

Dont get me wrong I enjoy his reading parts of his posts but probably
for the not for th esame reasons some do here.. But I would never call
fixing stuff on boats cruising especially since there is not reason
for it. Ive met many a cruisers who spend a few hours a month
PREVENTING events not fixing failures. Its a whole different mind set.

No,, Skip is not cruising.... he is learning about boats for the first
time something that most sucessful mariners do at ages 8-12. The
problme is that skip has waaaaaay toooo much boat for his skill set.
Skip remidns me of a nice good natured hillbilly. He's a nice guy but
I would stay clear until he learns a few things.

But sadly his self concept will not alow him accept the paradox he has
created. That is how do you cruise and have all the amminities of a
3500 sq ft ranch house. He sorta remids me of Jed Clampet and the
HIllibillies. You know. So much welath but not knowing what the
billyard table is really designed to do..Maybe Hillbilly is the wrong
name...... I think skip is a Squidbilly!

Bob

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On 11/2/10 2:38 AM, Bob wrote:

We just bought a new boat and we plan to do some cruising, but I sure
wouldn't want to break any of your rules when we do.

So, please list your rules in order of importance.


Going from point A to point B without creating a potential hazard or
harm to self or others.

Spending money and wasting time in port fixing things is not cruising.
that saying about fixing things in distant ports is a joke you
idiots,,,, its not a way of life..... it like saying, a successfull
marrage is 50 years of hurtful cruelty and lonleness only folowed by
death! Nor is cruising operating a vessel in a way that creates a
hazard to others (as in: no body at watch while underway)

Would you say flying cross country in a crashed home built aircraft
and "repaired" by someone who was never a licensed pilot and lacked
any mechanical skills hoped to fly cross country because it was his
life long dream. WOuld that be a good a good idea?

Would you really go for a flight with a guy who operated a homebuilt
like SKip runs his boat and call it a safe thing to do?

Dont get me wrong I enjoy his reading parts of his posts but probably
for the not for th esame reasons some do here.. But I would never call
fixing stuff on boats cruising especially since there is not reason
for it. Ive met many a cruisers who spend a few hours a month
PREVENTING events not fixing failures. Its a whole different mind set.

No,, Skip is not cruising.... he is learning about boats for the first
time something that most sucessful mariners do at ages 8-12. The
problme is that skip has waaaaaay toooo much boat for his skill set.
Skip remidns me of a nice good natured hillbilly. He's a nice guy but
I would stay clear until he learns a few things.

But sadly his self concept will not alow him accept the paradox he has
created. That is how do you cruise and have all the amminities of a
3500 sq ft ranch house. He sorta remids me of Jed Clampet and the
HIllibillies. You know. So much welath but not knowing what the
billyard table is really designed to do..Maybe Hillbilly is the wrong
name...... I think skip is a Squidbilly!

Bob




I'm sorry, but if you included a long list of what "cruising is" in your
harangue of Skip, I missed it. Could you repost it?

From those posts of Skip's I've read, my take is that he had a somewhat
limited knowledge of boating when he started, that he has been
"cruising" and rebuilding much of his old boat along the way, that he is
a far more experienced "boater/cruiser" than when he started and, unlike
most of the posters here, is out on the seas, "cruising" from one port
to another without a particular schedule.

I've been boating for six decades on all sorts of boats, power and sail.
I've done enough boating to know that the liveaboard lifestyle or
long-range cruising is not my cup of tea. If I want to cross an ocean on
a boat, the boat is going to be the Queen Mary II, or maybe a week or
two of island hopping in the Caribbean or among the Greek Isles. I do
enjoy reading about the boating adventures of others, though, especially
when the "others" are not stuck-up snobs with overinflated opinions of
themselves or their "cruising."

Now, as I stated, we bought a new boat and we will be taking short trips
on it. So, I take it we won't actually be "cruising," right?

:)

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"HarryK" wrote in message
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Please tell me..."what cruising really is all about."

We just bought a new boat and we plan to do some cruising, but I sure
wouldn't want to break any of your rules when we do.

So, please list your rules in order of importance.




I shall be delighted to do so:

(rules about what cruising is all about listed in order of importance)


1) Cruising is a planned, uneventful, private and successful voyage from one
venue to another that takes into consideration the vessel, the crew, the
weather, the water, the stuff upon which the water lies and the hard stuff
around the edges of the water.

2) Cruising under sail is doing the above without using the motor unless the
wind dies completely.

3) When cruising you should remain as inconspicuous as possible at all
times. This includes while underway and entering and exiting ports of call.
This also includes anchoring. If anybody's head pops out of a nearby
companionway or hatch to see what all the commotion is about as you pass by
or anchor you are doing something wrong.

4) The same can be said about when you are getting under way.

5) When you're anchored don't run a portable generator. Don't run your
diesel at all unless there is an emergency and unless you are downwind of
EVERYBODY (diesel fumes go a long way downwind and are sickening and
unhealthy to breathe). Put a strap on that noisy wind generator in an
anchorage. If you need terawatts of electricity then stop being an obnoxious
skinflint with your noisy Honda portables and cheapass wind generators
whooshing and whistling and grinding away. Purchase and install a
water-cooled, inboard diesel generator and use it instead because they are
acceptable quiet but never use it upwind of anybody else.

6) Idle speed only when using your dinghy. Better yet, get your fat ass in
shape and use a rowing dinghy.

7) Leave the barking dogs and crying babies at home.

8) Cruising should be done for its own sake. If you can't enjoy cruising
without conducting a running dialog via the internet or telephone the whole
time, you aren't cruising - you're showing off or trying to show off and
you're making a pain in the ass out of yourself.

9) Cruisers are self-reliant. Never expect to be rescued. Don't ever call
for a rescue unless you're gonna die without a rescue. And, if you're gonna
die, think twice about calling for a rescue as the fact that you're gonna
die probably means you deserve to die because you've been too stupid to
live.

10) Go cruising. Shut up about it. Don't bother anybody else when you're
cruising.


Wilbur Hubbard

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On 11/2/10 2:02 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
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Please tell me..."what cruising really is all about."

We just bought a new boat and we plan to do some cruising, but I sure
wouldn't want to break any of your rules when we do.

So, please list your rules in order of importance.




I shall be delighted to do so:

(rules about what cruising is all about listed in order of importance)


1) Cruising is a planned, uneventful, private and successful voyage from one
venue to another that takes into consideration the vessel, the crew, the
weather, the water, the stuff upon which the water lies and the hard stuff
around the edges of the water.


Agreed, for any sort of boating.


2) Cruising under sail is doing the above without using the motor unless the
wind dies completely.

3) When cruising you should remain as inconspicuous as possible at all
times. This includes while underway and entering and exiting ports of call.
This also includes anchoring. If anybody's head pops out of a nearby
companionway or hatch to see what all the commotion is about as you pass by
or anchor you are doing something wrong.

Not necessarily.



4) The same can be said about when you are getting under way.

Agreed.


5) When you're anchored don't run a portable generator. Don't run your
diesel at all unless there is an emergency and unless you are downwind of
EVERYBODY (diesel fumes go a long way downwind and are sickening and
unhealthy to breathe). Put a strap on that noisy wind generator in an
anchorage. If you need terawatts of electricity then stop being an obnoxious
skinflint with your noisy Honda portables and cheapass wind generators
whooshing and whistling and grinding away. Purchase and install a
water-cooled, inboard diesel generator and use it instead because they are
acceptable quiet but never use it upwind of anybody else.

Fortunately, we have a water-cooled, diesel generator.



6) Idle speed only when using your dinghy. Better yet, get your fat ass in
shape and use a rowing dinghy.

Agreed, especially the latter. I'm in the market for an inflatable dink
that actually will row nicely. Probably aren't any.



7) Leave the barking dogs and crying babies at home.

Leave the dogs at home, drown the crying babies! :)



8) Cruising should be done for its own sake. If you can't enjoy cruising
without conducting a running dialog via the internet or telephone the whole
time, you aren't cruising - you're showing off or trying to show off and
you're making a pain in the ass out of yourself.

Sometimes.



9) Cruisers are self-reliant. Never expect to be rescued. Don't ever call
for a rescue unless you're gonna die without a rescue. And, if you're gonna
die, think twice about calling for a rescue as the fact that you're gonna
die probably means you deserve to die because you've been too stupid to
live.

10) Go cruising. Shut up about it. Don't bother anybody else when you're
cruising.


Wilbur Hubbard



I don't think you'd be a lot of fun on a cruise, Wilbur.

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"HarryK" wrote in message
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On 11/2/10 2:02 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message
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Please tell me..."what cruising really is all about."

We just bought a new boat and we plan to do some cruising, but I sure
wouldn't want to break any of your rules when we do.

So, please list your rules in order of importance.




I shall be delighted to do so:

(rules about what cruising is all about listed in order of importance)


1) Cruising is a planned, uneventful, private and successful voyage from
one
venue to another that takes into consideration the vessel, the crew, the
weather, the water, the stuff upon which the water lies and the hard
stuff
around the edges of the water.


Agreed, for any sort of boating.


2) Cruising under sail is doing the above without using the motor unless
the
wind dies completely.

3) When cruising you should remain as inconspicuous as possible at all
times. This includes while underway and entering and exiting ports of
call.
This also includes anchoring. If anybody's head pops out of a nearby
companionway or hatch to see what all the commotion is about as you pass
by
or anchor you are doing something wrong.

Not necessarily.



4) The same can be said about when you are getting under way.

Agreed.


5) When you're anchored don't run a portable generator. Don't run your
diesel at all unless there is an emergency and unless you are downwind of
EVERYBODY (diesel fumes go a long way downwind and are sickening and
unhealthy to breathe). Put a strap on that noisy wind generator in an
anchorage. If you need terawatts of electricity then stop being an
obnoxious
skinflint with your noisy Honda portables and cheapass wind generators
whooshing and whistling and grinding away. Purchase and install a
water-cooled, inboard diesel generator and use it instead because they
are
acceptable quiet but never use it upwind of anybody else.

Fortunately, we have a water-cooled, diesel generator.



6) Idle speed only when using your dinghy. Better yet, get your fat ass
in
shape and use a rowing dinghy.

Agreed, especially the latter. I'm in the market for an inflatable dink
that actually will row nicely. Probably aren't any.



7) Leave the barking dogs and crying babies at home.

Leave the dogs at home, drown the crying babies! :)



8) Cruising should be done for its own sake. If you can't enjoy cruising
without conducting a running dialog via the internet or telephone the
whole
time, you aren't cruising - you're showing off or trying to show off and
you're making a pain in the ass out of yourself.

Sometimes.



9) Cruisers are self-reliant. Never expect to be rescued. Don't ever call
for a rescue unless you're gonna die without a rescue. And, if you're
gonna
die, think twice about calling for a rescue as the fact that you're gonna
die probably means you deserve to die because you've been too stupid to
live.

10) Go cruising. Shut up about it. Don't bother anybody else when you're
cruising.


Wilbur Hubbard



I don't think you'd be a lot of fun on a cruise, Wilbur.




If you want fun, go to the circus. Cruising isn't supposed to be 'fun'.
Cruising is a serious challenge that needs to be viewed as a serious
challenge. People are too stupid to consider the fact that their 'fun'
usually results in misery for the next guy.


Wilbur Hubbard

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On 11/2/10 3:42 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
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I don't think you'd be a lot of fun on a cruise, Wilbur.




Cruising isn't supposed to be 'fun'.

Wilbur Hubbard



That's just absurd, Wilbur.

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"HarryK" wrote in message
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On 11/2/10 3:42 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
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I don't think you'd be a lot of fun on a cruise, Wilbur.




Cruising isn't supposed to be 'fun'.

Wilbur Hubbard



That's just absurd, Wilbur.



Your reply is indicative of the sad state of affairs of sailing these days.
Sailing has become "fun" as its primary attribute. With an attitude like
that, is it any wonder why so many incompetent boobs are out there on the
water causing disaster after disaster, scandal after scandal and folly after
folly?

"Satisfaction" would be a more appropriate word than "fun". Fun has a
connotation of amusement like in an amusement park. Fun lacks seriousness.
Cruising done well provides satisfaction. Cruising done well does not
provide fun. It's too serious a pursuit and too dangerous and needs to be
taken seriously or dire consequences to all concerned might be the result.



Wilbur Hubbard

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On 11/2/10 3:52 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message
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On 11/2/10 3:42 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
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I don't think you'd be a lot of fun on a cruise, Wilbur.




Cruising isn't supposed to be 'fun'.

Wilbur Hubbard



That's just absurd, Wilbur.



Your reply is indicative of the sad state of affairs of sailing these days.
Sailing has become "fun" as its primary attribute. With an attitude like
that, is it any wonder why so many incompetent boobs are out there on the
water causing disaster after disaster, scandal after scandal and folly after
folly?

"Satisfaction" would be a more appropriate word than "fun". Fun has a
connotation of amusement like in an amusement park. Fun lacks seriousness.
Cruising done well provides satisfaction. Cruising done well does not
provide fun. It's too serious a pursuit and too dangerous and needs to be
taken seriously or dire consequences to all concerned might be the result.



Wilbur Hubbard



Wilbur, whoever you are and whatever you do, you are not qualified to
argue semantics with me. Really. I have a fancy graduate degree in
etymology, and have been a practicing editor and writer for decades.

I know words and how they are used. Most people with sailboats, whether
they cruise as you describe it or race or just putter around do it for
"fun." It can be a sport, which is one of the definitions for fun.

The fact that boating needs to be taken seriously does not minimize its
"fun" value.

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I'm sorry, but if you included a long list of what "cruising is" in your
harangue of Skip, I missed it. Could you repost it?

Shure..........

We just bought a new boat and we plan to do some cruising, but I sure
wouldn't want to break any of your rules when we do.
So, please list your rules in order of importance.

Going from point A to point B without creating a potential hazard or
harm to self or others.

Spending money and wasting time in port fixing things is not
cruising.
that saying about fixing things in distant ports is a joke you
idiots,,,, its not a way of life..... it like saying, a successfull
marrage is 50 years of hurtful cruelty and lonleness only folowed by
death! Nor is cruising operating a vessel in a way that creates a
hazard to others (as in: no body at watch while underway)


*From those posts of Skip's I've read, my take is that he had a somewhat
limited knowledge of boating when he started, that he has been
"cruising" and rebuilding much of his old boat along the way, that he is
a far more experienced "boater/cruiser" than when he started and, unlike
most of the posters here, is out on the seas, "cruising" from one port
to another without a particular schedule.

wordy sentence verging on archaic voce, and, certainly, an over use of
the comma.
I thoght id toss that in in for free since you seem so willing to un
zip ur pants for a short arm inspection.

Now, as I stated, we bought a new boat and we will be taking short trips
on it. So, I take it we won't actually be "cruising," right?

Hell ya yll be crusing...... cause you have an accurate assesment of
your behavior.
Crusing is like culture its not the color of your skin its HOW YOU
THINK.

:)

bOB

PS I think I may have ya beat on degrees ;) But then again we could
start a great fight does a degree make ya smart or does it only
offer an opertunity to learn.... kinda like a boat ;)

Time to go drink some free beer and look at some boats.
Maybe I could be like skip and write a 3000 word post on what i did at
the bar, explain how a "tap" works, and then fall off my bar stool
explaing to the world about my beer drinking. NOw that would be a
great read.