On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:08:12 -0700, Peter Bennett
wrote:

On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:39:38 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

Hi, Gang,

Trying to insert info to either satisfy curiosiity or squelch criticsims
from the many barbs (and also to fill in blanks on the helpful ones) slung
at me along the way, here's how it all worked out:

I have an 880 AH house bank and a Group 27 marine deep-discharge starting
battery. They are connected to a Blue Sea switch. I have 4 total sources
of potential charging - Wind, Solar, 110A alternator and 70A inverter
charger (energized by shore power, very rarely at a dock, or through a Honda
eu2000i).

You should use a "starting" battery for your starting battery, not a
deep-cycle. A starting battery has many thin plates, allowing it to
deliver the very high currents required for starting, but making it
less tolerant of frequent deep discharges.

A deep-cycle battery has fewer thick plates which makes it much more
tolerant of deep discharge cycles, but, less able to deliver the large
currents required for starting.

What you say is technically correct.... however I used deep cycle
batteries to start the auxiliary engine on my sailboat for nearly 15
years without problems.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

*I have 4 total sources
of potential charging - Wind, Solar, 110A alternator and 70A inverter
charger (energized by shore power, very rarely at a dock, or through a Honda
eu2000i).


Skip I have diagnosed your problme and offer a recomendation:

I had no idea you had so much **** on your boat Skip.

1) Git rid of the wind and solar and inverter and all the wire/
connections/switches magic computer board regulators associated.

2) Increase your house bank to 2000 Ah.

3) Get a dedicated hard wired generator.
(I think a CAT 3406 would be sized apprpreatly for your needs. add
sarcasam as needed)

The reason you have so many problmes is cause you have so many
recreational electrical systems on board. I wont even ask about your
refer/computer/home entertainment system/ dishwahser/blender/
microwave systems and fubar switching mechanisms......

4) Rip all your chargin systems out! Get a real generator end of
story.In other words go get a nice 10 year old 70 foot gulf shrimper.
youll pay about 200,000 after a little refit. Then you can have all
the do dads you want. **** you can light up the sky like the rest of
those gom gooks.

Your attempting to make a sailing yacht into a 2500 sq ft ranch home
and now your finding just how difficult balancing complex systems can
become.

K.I.S.S.
BoB

PS CHrist you must enjoy wasting your life f-ing around with non-
necessary tasks :/ Try volunteering someplace to make this a better
world instead of wasting your life chasing down endless self created
bugs.

"Bob" wrote in message
...

I have 4 total sources
of potential charging - Wind, Solar, 110A alternator and 70A inverter
charger (energized by shore power, very rarely at a dock, or through a
Honda
eu2000i).


Skip I have diagnosed your problme and offer a recomendation:

I had no idea you had so much **** on your boat Skip.

1) Git rid of the wind and solar and inverter and all the wire/
connections/switches magic computer board regulators associated.

2) Increase your house bank to 2000 Ah.

3) Get a dedicated hard wired generator.
(I think a CAT 3406 would be sized apprpreatly for your needs. add
sarcasam as needed)

The reason you have so many problmes is cause you have so many
recreational electrical systems on board. I wont even ask about your
refer/computer/home entertainment system/ dishwahser/blender/
microwave systems and fubar switching mechanisms......

4) Rip all your chargin systems out! Get a real generator end of
story.In other words go get a nice 10 year old 70 foot gulf shrimper.
youll pay about 200,000 after a little refit. Then you can have all
the do dads you want. **** you can light up the sky like the rest of
those gom gooks.

Your attempting to make a sailing yacht into a 2500 sq ft ranch home
and now your finding just how difficult balancing complex systems can
become.

K.I.S.S.
BoB

PS CHrist you must enjoy wasting your life f-ing around with non-
necessary tasks :/ Try volunteering someplace to make this a better
world instead of wasting your life chasing down endless self created
bugs.

Well, lessee...

I'm the morning cruiser's net anchor

We do the Buck A Book store while we're in Abaco, benefitting the extremely
endangered Wild Horses of Abaco (see website by that name, or Arkwild, for
elucidation {no apologies for erudition, here})

We do other public service stuff in other areas where there are cruiser
concentrations.

We volunteer individually with other cruisers

Note bene: the 'we' above is mostly me...

The "private" stuff we do will go unmentioned to protect the beneficiaries,
who, I'm sure, would rather not have folks know we're doing it.

Which, BTW, is why we couldn't possibly buy the 200K vessel you suggest as
more appropriate to our lifestyle :{))

L8R

Skip
PS we took OUT our genset (along with the AC which came with the boat) at
just a little more than 500 hours on it, because we couldn't stand the noise
in the couple times, total, we ran it, despite it having a hush box on it.
We hardly want a stinkpot, let alone a genset which would make it possible
to water ski behind our home, were it the propulsion unit!

And, the problems identified and solved aside, we actually have a very well
balanced system. And, FWIW, just cuz we were curious for other reasons and
looked today, we've run the aux a total of 50 hours in the last 9 months...
Unlike your suggestion, for which I couldn't even BUY fuel, we're a
sailboat, after all...

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