Do away with Pactor? Might look at winmor.

On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 09:13:53 -0700, Gordon wrote:

Do away with Pactor? Might look at winmor.

Why would you want to do away with Pactor? I think it's an excellent
piece of gear, albeit a little over priced. On the other hand it is
not a mass production item and the inventors are entitled to a return
on their investment.

On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:25:52 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

I may have to use several stations to get
a connection (if it doesn't pick up after about 5 "rings" I terminate the
call, because if it can't hear me well enough to start, it's not likely to
persist) to accomplish the multipart upload.

There is one PMBO in Florida who almost never picks up on "5 rings"
but has an otherwise excellent station. I believe he keeps his rigs
on standby and requires a certain amount of time to get them back on
the air. If you connect immediately after he signs off with someone
else, his rig connects immediately.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
news
There is one PMBO in Florida who almost never picks up on "5 rings"
but has an otherwise excellent station. I believe he keeps his rigs
on standby and requires a certain amount of time to get them back on
the air. If you connect immediately after he signs off with someone
else, his rig connects immediately.

The first 4 stations I try are in FL from this location.

Know which it is?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip, off Shroud Cay

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Personally, less complicated is better that is unless you are
the second typ of person who supports use of ssb tx

Are you kidding? HF is much simpler than sat phones.

No not at all.......... you see I do not look inside the case. I look
to reliability, expense, and ease of use. So when I say iridium is
more simple campoared to SSB I am not refering to the inside circuits
I refer to reliablity, ease of use, overall coast including
installation and maintainence hours.

Take the new cost of an Iridium phone, antina (dont you just love
phonics. every school should be using it)
Then take a typical ssb ham set up. Your taking how to ground: use a
plate bolted to the hull, rolling foil out everywhere ,or rigging some
mouse trap on the shaft. Then antina tunner, and longwire if you have
a katch or a back stay hookup. The radio just has toooo many ancilary
parts-connections-wires and that all equals:
labor to install
labor to trouble shoot when it goes fubar
labor maintain all the connections that will corrode and give SKip OCD
trying to trouble shoot.

The irridum is simply just simple, easy, and equally reliable compared
to ssb/ham for at sea comm/weahter fax/direct
contact to SAR/USCG? call your elderly wife in flordia etc.

Unfutunatly, there is a cohort of people with one foot in the grave
who love to tinker with crap because it makes them feel smart and they
love to do it. Ham Radio geeks...... like CB geeks in the 70s . No
difference. I say do your crossword puzzels and stop misleading people

and those same guys go around telling people they are not safe and
stupid to cruise with out a tx ham radio. Have your fun soldering
Heath Kits together but be realistic when it comes to reliable and
safe at-sea communication.

All I have to do is read your Signature. that tells me there that you
are very proud of your ham license and do doubt there is some way to
tell the date of issue from the alpha-numeric code.

So I will signe with
Bob 107/80
That number designates which commercial diving school i graduated from
but ya know I dont reallyh give a **** so i dont put it there.
Oh how about this
Bob, AB RFPNW
or BOb MS, BS, BSEd but I dont really feel I need to constantly tell
eveyone what a cool guy I am like you

and youre not a Sailing/Vessel you are a Sailing/Yacht (S/Y)

73 es sail fast, dave KO4MI
S/V Auspicious

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

and those same guys go around telling people they are not safe and
stupid to cruise with out a tx ham radio. Have your fun soldering
Heath Kits together but be realistic when it comes to reliable and
safe at-sea communication.

Almost all of the pleasure boats that I know who engage in
offshore/international cruising have a marine SSB radio aboard, and
they are not necessarily ham radio operators although some are. Many
also have a sat phone of some sort and an EPIRB. We don't have a sat
phone but do have the SSB and EPIRB. If we were crossing oceans I'd
probably get the sat phone also, for redundancy if nothing else.

Almost all of the pleasure boats that I know who engage in
offshore/international cruising have a marine SSB radio aboard, and
they are not necessarily ham radio operators although some are. *Many
also have a sat phone of some sort and an EPIRB. *We don't have a sat
phone but do have the SSB and EPIRB. *If we were crossing oceans I'd
probably get the sat phone also, for redundancy if nothing else.

I comend your active mariner life! I also depart philosophically from
what is necessary to make ocean or NC voyages. I still believe SSB/Ham
installations adds too much clutter and potential problmes to boat to
warrent haveing one considering the alternative is has such a smaller
"foot priint" on a boat.

Yes, many "curisers" ahve SSB/Ham. But why? Tradition? The RDF is gone
I think inpart simply because no body could talk on it. LORAN is gone,
i think becuase no body can talk on it. BOth have been replaced by the
GPS and EPIRB, respectivly. THe only reason ssb on boats is stil here
is becuase there is a group of sprots/amature enthusisast who enjoy
jaw jacking and then tell everyone who owns a boat they have to have
one to be safe. Its like a cult similar to Amway or Scientology. Its a
club gone birkshire.....

I sail with:

Barometer
sextant
GPS
EPIRB
VHF
Iridium

HAM/SSB reciever only. I get ot hear you guys yack, glean info and
then turn you off!
I also get weather fax that goes to laptop. the receive only radio has
nothing but antina and wower supply and it DONT take no 40 Amp circuit
to run!!!!!!!!

So what happens when all the satalites fall outof the sky.............
sextant, DR, barometer, weather fax. Getter on Bra !

There is no purpose for a ssb'ham, or as my swedish step dad who
commercial fished all his life called it, the AM set
On a boat a SSB has no purpose except intertainment.
Bob Rexroth (disabled)
Dell tech support
Ogden UT

On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:28:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

and those same guys go around telling people they are not safe and
stupid to cruise with out a tx ham radio. Have your fun soldering
Heath Kits together but be realistic when it comes to reliable and
safe at-sea communication.

Almost all of the pleasure boats that I know who engage in
offshore/international cruising have a marine SSB radio aboard, and
they are not necessarily ham radio operators although some are. Many
also have a sat phone of some sort and an EPIRB. We don't have a sat
phone but do have the SSB and EPIRB. If we were crossing oceans I'd
probably get the sat phone also, for redundancy if nothing else.

A good friend did a cost analysis on long distance communication for
his new Cat. He calculated that, not including installation, the SSB
was more expensive then the Sat-phone, as well as being more
complicated to install on a new boat. So he installed the Sat-phone.

However, I don't believe that he is using Iradium, rather he is using
a system that uses a fixed satellite with a foot print covering the
Asian region and I know that he has coverage at least from Hong Kong
to Thailand and the Malaysian peninsular. This system may be cheaper
then Iradium which is a world wide system.

I priced a similar system in Singapore a year or so ago and from
memory you could get on the air for less then US$1,000, closer to
700-800 U.S. dollars. The "gimmick" is that the top-up cards are
limited in how long a particular top-up is valid. If you don't use the
minutes by a certain date they automatically expire. So you always
need an extra top-up "card" on hand. This also applies to the pre-paid
hand-phone systems so the idea is commonly used in communication
systems here.

He uses some sort of e-mail service and can send e-mail from his
laptop on the boat to an Internet e-mail server somewhere, so his
communication is equal to any Internet system anywhere. And of course,
he can make voice calls.

What I see here is that the older boats all have a pactor system and
newer boats have Satellite phones.


Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Hi, Boob :{))

Nice to hear from you again...


"Bob" wrote in message
...

Hand held depth finder? I had no idea such a thing existed, but I can
see its use for exploring an anchorage by dink.

Skip
A hand held depth finder:

Its called a lead line skip. get one on board and use it once a month
as part of your monthy safety checks.

Don't forget to make it one with a nice cup for the wax, so you can sample
the bottom :{))

Oh, ya, carry along a swimming pool thermometer and sit for at least a
couple of minutes at each location so as to let the temp stabilize.

And take a looky bucket along so you can see the fish, if there are any...


ALso, regarding your SSb email...... trash that stone age crap. It
has one foot in a grave half filled with vacume tubes. Get Irridum. If
you want to listen to the net gab fest get a good multi band receive
only for $300USD and listen to all that dribble ya want. Hell you can
even receive weathefax off it and put to your computer. The only
people who still use SSB TX a

As usual, you're not paying attention, just sniping. It's HAM email.

Meanwhile, Iridium continues to have my interest, but not my principal. I'm
all for making permanent investments, but really down on ongoing costs.
Thus I use winlink, not sailmail, as I'm a HAM, not some ratchetjaw on the
SSB.

Dave has covered the other issues pretty well so I'll not duplicate, but...

I admit to using SSB, because that's his medium, to talk with Chris Parker
occasionally, and, rarely, to make scheduled contact with another boater
who's not a ham.

However, it's another arrow in my quiver in the event of an emergency. Like
Joe, should the disaster need ever strike, in addition to my EPIRB, SPOT
(NOT a "real" emergency tool, but at least a supplement) and VHF (with DSC
panic button), I have SSB (and, of course, ham) radio voice and DSC.

As to taking signals off the air and putting them to my computer, the only
application I use that for is satellite images. I have a quadrafilar
helical antenna tied to a hamtronics R139 receiver (don't have to manually
set the frequencies that way; too lazy, as you've noted before) which,
together with a tracking program allowing me to see where any given weather
satellite is at any time, and an automated capture program which pulls down
the transmission and then parses the WAV file into as many as a dozen
different presentations, lets me see real-time satellite images.

I can cover about 1/3 the globe N/S, and about 2000 miles E/W, so, depending
on the path, and where I am, using various passes of different satellites, I
can see about 4000 miles edge to edge when considered together. Have yet to
use it in emergency (meaning it might be very important to me) conditions,
but if I'm in the middle of nowhere, it is very comforting to be able to SEE
storm systems developing and where they're heading.


As much time as you sit on the hook you could get GBAN and surf the
internet for god sakes.


Pretty much, where I sit on the hook, I have WiFi connectivity. In the
middle of the ocean somewhere, I'm likely to be busy with other things than
surfing the internet.

That said, the multi-hundred entry cost is the least cost, as surfing the
internet, measured by the data flowing through my adapter at the top of the
mast, easily can be over 100MB a day in very light use (no downloads of
programs or other biggie files). At $449/mo for 30 voice minutes and 100MB
I'm not even remotely interested, let alone the up-to-6K/mo for ACTUAL
(meaning I get to use it in any real sense) broadband service. See above
about continuing costs.

Why dont you go learn flashing light/morse code. Did you know that is
required for all USCG license alowed to sail oceans? But SSB is not
specifically required. Why does the IMO and USCG not require vercahnt
ships to have SSB any more skip??

Not my province, but, being a HAM, I say...

Dahdidit dit (or, if you prefer) Beamfuflash flash to you, sir :{)) With
your ratings, I'm sure both parse...

L8R

Skip


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Bob wrote in news:03474373-9b8b-46dd-babc-
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bob.

Why is rec.boats.cruising suddenly packed with real assholes like Bob?

What a jerk.

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