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Watertank Slime
Hey my wife and I purchased a Columbia 29 Mk II and there is some
green slime on the walls of the aluminum water tank under the V-Berth I was wondering what the best way to disinfect and clean it out. Is there some sort of cleaner or bleach water mixture that we can put in the tank to kill what ever is growing down there? |
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"silverdragon" wrote in message
... Hey my wife and I purchased a Columbia 29 Mk II and there is some green slime on the walls of the aluminum water tank under the V-Berth I was wondering what the best way to disinfect and clean it out. Is there some sort of cleaner or bleach water mixture that we can put in the tank to kill what ever is growing down there? Yes there is. Put a cup of household bleach (non-scented) into it, fill it to the top and let it sit a day or two. Then pump or drain it all out. Refill with fresh water. On the other hand, you might consider just leaving it be. I drink water out of my bicycle water bottle daily, the insides of which are green with algae. I never bleach it out. I figure the algae puts extra oxygen in the water and I like the taste of algae water better than plastic water. The algae seems to coat the plastic and the water tastes great. It goes down smooth. But, I was raised on a farm in the Midwest with cisterns for drinking water filled by galvanized steel barn roofs. Dug deep into the red clay and lined with stacked white stones - no concrete. We had algae, frogs and fish in our cisterns but never have I had better tasting water than rain water-filled, bio-diverse cistern water. People these days have a fetish about their water. They need to get over it. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Apr 16, 2:32*pm, silverdragon wrote:
Hey my wife and I purchased a Columbia 29 Mk II and there is some green slime on the walls of the aluminum water tank under the V-Berth I was wondering what the best way to disinfect and clean it out. Is there some sort of cleaner or bleach water mixture that we can put in the tank to kill what ever is growing down there? Any chemists here????? Al + Cl = _________ Do yourself a favor. Toss the aluminum tanks and replace with 316L. ANd DONT "shock treat" your alumunium tank with clorine bleach. Thats to short of it. Robin Rexroth Dell tech Support Provo, UT |
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Bob wrote:
On Apr 16, 2:32 pm, silverdragon wrote: Hey my wife and I purchased a Columbia 29 Mk II and there is some green slime on the walls of the aluminum water tank under the V-Berth I was wondering what the best way to disinfect and clean it out. Is there some sort of cleaner or bleach water mixture that we can put in the tank to kill what ever is growing down there? Any chemists here????? Al + Cl = _________ Do yourself a favor. Toss the aluminum tanks and replace with 316L. ANd DONT "shock treat" your alumunium tank with clorine bleach. Do yourself a much bigger favor. With used boats, if ever you can, by hook or crook, muster up all your wisdom, all your courage, and don't ever turn a tiny, inexpensive job into a giant, expensive job unless you have a very good reason. There will be more than enough of those to go around. So unless Bob here give us a very good reason not to use the well accepted bleach method, ignore him. Stephen |
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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... Bob wrote: On Apr 16, 2:32 pm, silverdragon wrote: Hey my wife and I purchased a Columbia 29 Mk II and there is some green slime on the walls of the aluminum water tank under the V-Berth I was wondering what the best way to disinfect and clean it out. Is there some sort of cleaner or bleach water mixture that we can put in the tank to kill what ever is growing down there? Any chemists here????? Al + Cl = _________ Do yourself a favor. Toss the aluminum tanks and replace with 316L. ANd DONT "shock treat" your alumunium tank with clorine bleach. Do yourself a much bigger favor. With used boats, if ever you can, by hook or crook, muster up all your wisdom, all your courage, and don't ever turn a tiny, inexpensive job into a giant, expensive job unless you have a very good reason. There will be more than enough of those to go around. So unless Bob here give us a very good reason not to use the well accepted bleach method, ignore him. Stephen Peggy Hall says 1 cup per 10 gallons. Works for me. http://www.searoom.com/fresh_water.htm |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:32:57 -0700 (PDT), silverdragon
wrote: Hey my wife and I purchased a Columbia 29 Mk II and there is some green slime on the walls of the aluminum water tank under the V-Berth I was wondering what the best way to disinfect and clean it out. Is there some sort of cleaner or bleach water mixture that we can put in the tank to kill what ever is growing down there? Peggy once posted a complete set of instructions about just this. And, Ta! Da! here is: Jim, wrote: I just traded boats, and the new (to me) one has what appears to be a stainless water tank (my old boat had plastic). In the past I'd fill the tank and add a glug of Clorox to it to kill any bugs that might have joined me during the interim. Something in the dark recesses of my brain says Stainless and Clorox don't mix. Comments; Suggestions please! I saved this from Peggy last year. Although most people think only in terms of the tank, the plumbing is actually the source of most foul water, because the molds, mildew, fungi and bacteria which cause it thrive in damp dark places, not under water. There are all kinds of products sold that claim to keep onboard water fresh, but all that\u2019s really necessary is an annual or in especially warm climates, semi-annual recommissioning of the entire system\u2014tank and plumbing. The following recommendations conform to section 10.8 in the A-1 192 code covering electrical, plumbing, and heating of recreational vehicles. The solution is approved and recommended by competent health officials. It may be used in a new system a used one that has not been used for a period of time, or one that may have been contaminated. Before beginning, turn off hot water heater at the breaker; do not turn it on again until the entire recommissioning is complete. Icemakers should be left running to allow cleaning out of the water feed line; however the first two buckets of ice\u2014the bucket generated during recommissioning and the first bucketful afterward--should be discarded. 1. Prepare a chlorine solution using one gallon of water and 1/2 cup (4 oz) Clorox or Purex household bleach (5% sodium Hypochlorite solution ). With tank empty, pour chlorine solution into tank. Use one gallon of solution for each 5 gallons of tank capacity. (There's an easier way: one pint of bleach to each 25 gal water tank capacity.) 2. Complete filling of tank with fresh water. Open each faucet and drain cock until air has been released and the entire system is filled. Do not turn off the pump; it must remain on to keep the system pressurized and the solution in the lines 3. Allow to stand for at least three hours, but no longer than 24 hours. 4 Drain through every faucet on the boat (and if you haven't done this in a while, it's a good idea to remove any diffusion screens from the faucets, because what's likely to come out will clog them). Fill the tank again with fresh water only, drain again through every faucet on the boat. 5. To remove excess chlorine taste or odor which might remain, prepare a solution of one quart white vinegar to five gallons water and allow this solution to agitate in tank for several days by vehicle motion. 6. Drain tank again through every faucet, and flush the lines again by fill the tank 1/4-1/2 full and again flushing with potable water. People have expressed concern about using this method to recommission aluminum tanks. While bleach (chlorine) IS corrosive, it\u2019s effects are are cumulative. So the effect of an annual or semi-annual "shock treatment" is negligible compared to the cumulative effect of holding chlorinated city water in the tank for years. Nevertheless, it's a good idea to mix the total amount of bleach in a few gallons of water before putting it into either a stainless or aluminum tank. People have also expressed concern about the potential damage to rubber and neoprene water pump parts. Again\u2014the cumulative effect of carrying chlorinated water is far more damaging over time than the occasional \u201cshock treatment.\u201d And it\u2019s that cumulative effect that makes it a VERY bad idea to add a little bleach to each fill. Not only does it damage the system, but unless you add enough to make your water taste and smell like a laundry, it\u2019s not enough to do any good. Even if it were, any \u201cpurifying\u201d properties in chlorine evaporate within 24 hours, leaving behind only the corrosive properties. An annual or semi-annual recommissioning according to the above directions is all that should be necessary to keep your water tasting and smelling as good as anything that comes out of any faucet on land. If you need to improve on that, install a water filter. Just remember that a filter is not a substitute for cleaning out the system, and that filters require regular inspection and cleaning or replacement. To keep the water system cleaner longer, use your fresh water...keep water flowing through system. The molds, fungi, and bacteria only start to grow in hoses that aren't being used. Before filling the tank each time, always let the dock water run for at least 15 minutes first...the same critters that like the lines on your boat LOVE the dock supply line and your hose that sit in the warm sun, and you certainly don't want to transfer water that's been sitting in the dock supply line to your boat's system. So let the water run long enough to flush out all the water that's been standing in them so that what goes into your boat is coming straight from the water main. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:52:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "silverdragon" wrote in message ... Hey my wife and I purchased a Columbia 29 Mk II and there is some green slime on the walls of the aluminum water tank under the V-Berth I was wondering what the best way to disinfect and clean it out. Is there some sort of cleaner or bleach water mixture that we can put in the tank to kill what ever is growing down there? Yes there is. Put a cup of household bleach (non-scented) into it, fill it to the top and let it sit a day or two. Then pump or drain it all out. Refill with fresh water. On the other hand, you might consider just leaving it be. I drink water out of my bicycle water bottle daily, the insides of which are green with algae. I never bleach it out. I figure the algae puts extra oxygen in the water and I like the taste of algae water better than plastic water. The algae seems to coat the plastic and the water tastes great. It goes down smooth. But, I was raised on a farm in the Midwest with cisterns for drinking water filled by galvanized steel barn roofs. Dug deep into the red clay and lined with stacked white stones - no concrete. We had algae, frogs and fish in our cisterns but never have I had better tasting water than rain water-filled, bio-diverse cistern water. People these days have a fetish about their water. They need to get over it. Wilbur Hubbard It sort of reminds me of the story about the UN Group that was stationed in Arabia, at a desert oasis. The oasis had a great pool of water that was never failing and Arabs came from miles around to take the waters. Of course the watering hole served the local village as a source of water for washing, bathing, watering the herds and even for bad little boys to play in, and the camels and goats did what camels do and goats do what goats do, and mothers washed little babies that have done what they do and the dirty little boys often had contests to see who could do what dirty little boys do, further, and the waters in the never failing pool had a certain color and odor. The UN Team after viewing the sole water source for the entire area with horror and amid much report writing in which terms like cholera and water born diseases were mentioned, gained approval to make a new water source and contracted with a well drilling company who flew a drilling rig in and set up. For weeks and weeks they drilled and at last one day; water! A stream of clear, fresh, sparkling, cold water flowed form the well head, and the UN Group was proud and wrote reports on the successful surmounting of yet another age old problem. Some days later the Group noticed that not a single Arab was using the new, clear, fresh, sparkling, cold water and sent an emissary to question the ruling Sheikh as to what was going on. The Sheikh simply said, "the water has no flavor, it may not be good". Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:32:57 -0700 (PDT), silverdragon wrote: Hey my wife and I purchased a Columbia 29 Mk II and there is some green slime on the walls of the aluminum water tank under the V-Berth I was wondering what the best way to disinfect and clean it out. Is there some sort of cleaner or bleach water mixture that we can put in the tank to kill what ever is growing down there? Peggy once posted a complete set of instructions about just this. And, Ta! Da! here is: Jim, wrote: I just traded boats, and the new (to me) one has what appears to be a stainless water tank (my old boat had plastic). In the past I'd fill the tank and add a glug of Clorox to it to kill any bugs that might have joined me during the interim. Something in the dark recesses of my brain says Stainless and Clorox don't mix. Comments; Suggestions please! I saved this from Peggy last year. Although most people think only in terms of the tank, the plumbing is actually the source of most foul water, because the molds, mildew, fungi and bacteria which cause it thrive in damp dark places, not under water. There are all kinds of products sold that claim to keep onboard water fresh, but all that\u2019s really necessary is an annual or in especially warm climates, semi-annual recommissioning of the entire system\u2014tank and plumbing. The following recommendations conform to section 10.8 in the A-1 192 code covering electrical, plumbing, and heating of recreational vehicles. The solution is approved and recommended by competent health officials. It may be used in a new system a used one that has not been used for a period of time, or one that may have been contaminated. Before beginning, turn off hot water heater at the breaker; do not turn it on again until the entire recommissioning is complete. Icemakers should be left running to allow cleaning out of the water feed line; however the first two buckets of ice\u2014the bucket generated during recommissioning and the first bucketful afterward--should be discarded. 1. Prepare a chlorine solution using one gallon of water and 1/2 cup (4 oz) Clorox or Purex household bleach (5% sodium Hypochlorite solution ). With tank empty, pour chlorine solution into tank. Use one gallon of solution for each 5 gallons of tank capacity. (There's an easier way: one pint of bleach to each 25 gal water tank capacity.) 2. Complete filling of tank with fresh water. Open each faucet and drain cock until air has been released and the entire system is filled. Do not turn off the pump; it must remain on to keep the system pressurized and the solution in the lines 3. Allow to stand for at least three hours, but no longer than 24 hours. 4 Drain through every faucet on the boat (and if you haven't done this in a while, it's a good idea to remove any diffusion screens from the faucets, because what's likely to come out will clog them). Fill the tank again with fresh water only, drain again through every faucet on the boat. 5. To remove excess chlorine taste or odor which might remain, prepare a solution of one quart white vinegar to five gallons water and allow this solution to agitate in tank for several days by vehicle motion. 6. Drain tank again through every faucet, and flush the lines again by fill the tank 1/4-1/2 full and again flushing with potable water. People have expressed concern about using this method to recommission aluminum tanks. While bleach (chlorine) IS corrosive, it\u2019s effects are are cumulative. So the effect of an annual or semi-annual "shock treatment" is negligible compared to the cumulative effect of holding chlorinated city water in the tank for years. Nevertheless, it's a good idea to mix the total amount of bleach in a few gallons of water before putting it into either a stainless or aluminum tank. People have also expressed concern about the potential damage to rubber and neoprene water pump parts. Again\u2014the cumulative effect of carrying chlorinated water is far more damaging over time than the occasional \u201cshock treatment.\u201d And it\u2019s that cumulative effect that makes it a VERY bad idea to add a little bleach to each fill. Not only does it damage the system, but unless you add enough to make your water taste and smell like a laundry, it\u2019s not enough to do any good. Even if it were, any \u201cpurifying\u201d properties in chlorine evaporate within 24 hours, leaving behind only the corrosive properties. An annual or semi-annual recommissioning according to the above directions is all that should be necessary to keep your water tasting and smelling as good as anything that comes out of any faucet on land. If you need to improve on that, install a water filter. Just remember that a filter is not a substitute for cleaning out the system, and that filters require regular inspection and cleaning or replacement. To keep the water system cleaner longer, use your fresh water...keep water flowing through system. The molds, fungi, and bacteria only start to grow in hoses that aren't being used. Before filling the tank each time, always let the dock water run for at least 15 minutes first...the same critters that like the lines on your boat LOVE the dock supply line and your hose that sit in the warm sun, and you certainly don't want to transfer water that's been sitting in the dock supply line to your boat's system. So let the water run long enough to flush out all the water that's been standing in them so that what goes into your boat is coming straight from the water main. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) Am I glad to live in a country with NO bleach in tap water...... Even the icecubes in restaurants in the US smell like diluted bleach. |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 03:59:41 +0200, Sjouke Burry
wrote: Bruce wrote: On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:32:57 -0700 (PDT), silverdragon wrote: Hey my wife and I purchased a Columbia 29 Mk II and there is some green slime on the walls of the aluminum water tank under the V-Berth I was wondering what the best way to disinfect and clean it out. Is there some sort of cleaner or bleach water mixture that we can put in the tank to kill what ever is growing down there? Peggy once posted a complete set of instructions about just this. And, Ta! Da! here is: Jim, wrote: I just traded boats, and the new (to me) one has what appears to be a stainless water tank (my old boat had plastic). In the past I'd fill the tank and add a glug of Clorox to it to kill any bugs that might have joined me during the interim. Something in the dark recesses of my brain says Stainless and Clorox don't mix. Comments; Suggestions please! I saved this from Peggy last year. Although most people think only in terms of the tank, the plumbing is actually the source of most foul water, because the molds, mildew, fungi and bacteria which cause it thrive in damp dark places, not under water. There are all kinds of products sold that claim to keep onboard water fresh, but all that\u2019s really necessary is an annual or in especially warm climates, semi-annual recommissioning of the entire system\u2014tank and plumbing. The following recommendations conform to section 10.8 in the A-1 192 code covering electrical, plumbing, and heating of recreational vehicles. The solution is approved and recommended by competent health officials. It may be used in a new system a used one that has not been used for a period of time, or one that may have been contaminated. Before beginning, turn off hot water heater at the breaker; do not turn it on again until the entire recommissioning is complete. Icemakers should be left running to allow cleaning out of the water feed line; however the first two buckets of ice\u2014the bucket generated during recommissioning and the first bucketful afterward--should be discarded. 1. Prepare a chlorine solution using one gallon of water and 1/2 cup (4 oz) Clorox or Purex household bleach (5% sodium Hypochlorite solution ). With tank empty, pour chlorine solution into tank. Use one gallon of solution for each 5 gallons of tank capacity. (There's an easier way: one pint of bleach to each 25 gal water tank capacity.) 2. Complete filling of tank with fresh water. Open each faucet and drain cock until air has been released and the entire system is filled. Do not turn off the pump; it must remain on to keep the system pressurized and the solution in the lines 3. Allow to stand for at least three hours, but no longer than 24 hours. 4 Drain through every faucet on the boat (and if you haven't done this in a while, it's a good idea to remove any diffusion screens from the faucets, because what's likely to come out will clog them). Fill the tank again with fresh water only, drain again through every faucet on the boat. 5. To remove excess chlorine taste or odor which might remain, prepare a solution of one quart white vinegar to five gallons water and allow this solution to agitate in tank for several days by vehicle motion. 6. Drain tank again through every faucet, and flush the lines again by fill the tank 1/4-1/2 full and again flushing with potable water. People have expressed concern about using this method to recommission aluminum tanks. While bleach (chlorine) IS corrosive, it\u2019s effects are are cumulative. So the effect of an annual or semi-annual "shock treatment" is negligible compared to the cumulative effect of holding chlorinated city water in the tank for years. Nevertheless, it's a good idea to mix the total amount of bleach in a few gallons of water before putting it into either a stainless or aluminum tank. People have also expressed concern about the potential damage to rubber and neoprene water pump parts. Again\u2014the cumulative effect of carrying chlorinated water is far more damaging over time than the occasional \u201cshock treatment.\u201d And it\u2019s that cumulative effect that makes it a VERY bad idea to add a little bleach to each fill. Not only does it damage the system, but unless you add enough to make your water taste and smell like a laundry, it\u2019s not enough to do any good. Even if it were, any \u201cpurifying\u201d properties in chlorine evaporate within 24 hours, leaving behind only the corrosive properties. An annual or semi-annual recommissioning according to the above directions is all that should be necessary to keep your water tasting and smelling as good as anything that comes out of any faucet on land. If you need to improve on that, install a water filter. Just remember that a filter is not a substitute for cleaning out the system, and that filters require regular inspection and cleaning or replacement. To keep the water system cleaner longer, use your fresh water...keep water flowing through system. The molds, fungi, and bacteria only start to grow in hoses that aren't being used. Before filling the tank each time, always let the dock water run for at least 15 minutes first...the same critters that like the lines on your boat LOVE the dock supply line and your hose that sit in the warm sun, and you certainly don't want to transfer water that's been sitting in the dock supply line to your boat's system. So let the water run long enough to flush out all the water that's been standing in them so that what goes into your boat is coming straight from the water main. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) Am I glad to live in a country with NO bleach in tap water...... Even the icecubes in restaurants in the US smell like diluted bleach. Oh? How do they sanitize the water in your country? Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 03:59:41 +0200, Sjouke Burry wrote: Bruce wrote: On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:32:57 -0700 (PDT), silverdragon wrote: Hey my wife and I purchased a Columbia 29 Mk II and there is some green slime on the walls of the aluminum water tank under the V-Berth I was wondering what the best way to disinfect and clean it out. Is there some sort of cleaner or bleach water mixture that we can put in the tank to kill what ever is growing down there? Peggy once posted a complete set of instructions about just this. And, Ta! Da! here is: Jim, wrote: I just traded boats, and the new (to me) one has what appears to be a stainless water tank (my old boat had plastic). In the past I'd fill the tank and add a glug of Clorox to it to kill any bugs that might have joined me during the interim. Something in the dark recesses of my brain says Stainless and Clorox don't mix. Comments; Suggestions please! I saved this from Peggy last year. Although most people think only in terms of the tank, the plumbing is actually the source of most foul water, because the molds, mildew, fungi and bacteria which cause it thrive in damp dark places, not under water. There are all kinds of products sold that claim to keep onboard water fresh, but all that\u2019s really necessary is an annual or in especially warm climates, semi-annual recommissioning of the entire system\u2014tank and plumbing. The following recommendations conform to section 10.8 in the A-1 192 code covering electrical, plumbing, and heating of recreational vehicles. The solution is approved and recommended by competent health officials. It may be used in a new system a used one that has not been used for a period of time, or one that may have been contaminated. Before beginning, turn off hot water heater at the breaker; do not turn it on again until the entire recommissioning is complete. Icemakers should be left running to allow cleaning out of the water feed line; however the first two buckets of ice\u2014the bucket generated during recommissioning and the first bucketful afterward--should be discarded. 1. Prepare a chlorine solution using one gallon of water and 1/2 cup (4 oz) Clorox or Purex household bleach (5% sodium Hypochlorite solution ). With tank empty, pour chlorine solution into tank. Use one gallon of solution for each 5 gallons of tank capacity. (There's an easier way: one pint of bleach to each 25 gal water tank capacity.) 2. Complete filling of tank with fresh water. Open each faucet and drain cock until air has been released and the entire system is filled. Do not turn off the pump; it must remain on to keep the system pressurized and the solution in the lines 3. Allow to stand for at least three hours, but no longer than 24 hours. 4 Drain through every faucet on the boat (and if you haven't done this in a while, it's a good idea to remove any diffusion screens from the faucets, because what's likely to come out will clog them). Fill the tank again with fresh water only, drain again through every faucet on the boat. 5. To remove excess chlorine taste or odor which might remain, prepare a solution of one quart white vinegar to five gallons water and allow this solution to agitate in tank for several days by vehicle motion. 6. Drain tank again through every faucet, and flush the lines again by fill the tank 1/4-1/2 full and again flushing with potable water. People have expressed concern about using this method to recommission aluminum tanks. While bleach (chlorine) IS corrosive, it\u2019s effects are are cumulative. So the effect of an annual or semi-annual "shock treatment" is negligible compared to the cumulative effect of holding chlorinated city water in the tank for years. Nevertheless, it's a good idea to mix the total amount of bleach in a few gallons of water before putting it into either a stainless or aluminum tank. People have also expressed concern about the potential damage to rubber and neoprene water pump parts. Again\u2014the cumulative effect of carrying chlorinated water is far more damaging over time than the occasional \u201cshock treatment.\u201d And it\u2019s that cumulative effect that makes it a VERY bad idea to add a little bleach to each fill. Not only does it damage the system, but unless you add enough to make your water taste and smell like a laundry, it\u2019s not enough to do any good. Even if it were, any \u201cpurifying\u201d properties in chlorine evaporate within 24 hours, leaving behind only the corrosive properties. An annual or semi-annual recommissioning according to the above directions is all that should be necessary to keep your water tasting and smelling as good as anything that comes out of any faucet on land. If you need to improve on that, install a water filter. Just remember that a filter is not a substitute for cleaning out the system, and that filters require regular inspection and cleaning or replacement. To keep the water system cleaner longer, use your fresh water...keep water flowing through system. The molds, fungi, and bacteria only start to grow in hoses that aren't being used. Before filling the tank each time, always let the dock water run for at least 15 minutes first...the same critters that like the lines on your boat LOVE the dock supply line and your hose that sit in the warm sun, and you certainly don't want to transfer water that's been sitting in the dock supply line to your boat's system. So let the water run long enough to flush out all the water that's been standing in them so that what goes into your boat is coming straight from the water main. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) Am I glad to live in a country with NO bleach in tap water...... Even the icecubes in restaurants in the US smell like diluted bleach. Oh? How do they sanitize the water in your country? Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) Carefully. The best quality in Europe.(Netherlands) |
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