Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!

silverdragon wrote:
Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!

Cat or junk rig hands down. Simple, less rigging, less winches
easy to sail, great for cruising.
G

"Gordon" wrote in message
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silverdragon wrote:
Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!

Cat or junk rig hands down. Simple, less rigging, less winches
easy to sail, great for cruising.
G


I agree with the cat, but the yawl or ketch is also quite viable. The sails
are smaller and easier to handle, you get decent performance, and you have
more sail configuration options. I don't know enough about junk rigs to
comment, but from the pics I've seen, you have a gaff, so that means weight
aloft you don't need.

A nice configuration is a cutter-rig ketch... lots of combos.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:29:01 -0700 (PDT), silverdragon
wrote:

Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!

How big a boat?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

wrote:
Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
How big a boat?


Excellent question
Another important one that needs to be answered is "What kind of
sailing do you intend to do?

Each has it's advantages and disadvantages. However, since the boat
marktplace is flooded with masthead sloops, that is what 99% buy...
it's a cost-effective solution.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Aug 25, 5:02*pm, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:29:01 -0700 (PDT), silverdragon

wrote:
Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!

How big a boat?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Probably around a 40ft, and we will be using it for blue water
cruising, ocean crossing and a full time live aboard.

Is it viable to buy a ketch and then convert it to a cats ketch?

How different is a cats ketch to sail then a sloop or a cutter?


-Eric Taylor

"silverdragon" wrote in message
...
Probably around a 40ft, and we will be using it for blue water
cruising, ocean crossing and a full time live aboard.

Is it viable to buy a ketch and then convert it to a cats ketch?

How different is a cats ketch to sail then a sloop or a cutter?


-Eric Taylor

If you're talking "Cat Ketch," you're basically talking about a Freedom, and
a conversion is unlikely to be either wise or affordable. The Freedom rig is
unique and the boat is designed for it. Any other ketch, on the other hand,
will probably be a traditional stayed rig (few excceptions). I personally
prefer a ketch, but have always had a soft spot in my heart (and possibly my
head) for the modern Junk rig, preferably in either ketch or schooner
configuration. The two-masted rig gives a lot of options in sail and sail
balance that is difficult or impossible to achieve with a single-masted rig.
Of course, every boat is a compromise, and the ketch and schooner rigs are
usually less weatherly than sloops. If you can sail within 30 degrees of the
wind, you're doing well. Works for me.
--
KLC Lewis

WISCONSIN
Where It's So Cool Outside, Nobody Stays Indoors Napping
www.KLCLewisStudios.com

Look at a WHITBY 42. They are a ketch rig..




silverdragon wrote:
On Aug 25, 5:02 pm, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:29:01 -0700 (PDT), silverdragon

wrote:

Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!

How big a boat?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


Probably around a 40ft, and we will be using it for blue water
cruising, ocean crossing and a full time live aboard.

Is it viable to buy a ketch and then convert it to a cats ketch?

How different is a cats ketch to sail then a sloop or a cutter?


-Eric Taylor

On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:01:16 -0700 (PDT), silverdragon
wrote:

On Aug 25, 5:02*pm, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:29:01 -0700 (PDT), silverdragon

wrote:
Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!

How big a boat?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Probably around a 40ft, and we will be using it for blue water
cruising, ocean crossing and a full time live aboard.

Is it viable to buy a ketch and then convert it to a cats ketch?

How different is a cats ketch to sail then a sloop or a cutter?


-Eric Taylor

If you buy a specific rigged boat and then decide to change the rig
you are talking about some fairly extensive modification. changing to
a Cat Ketch would likely entail moving one or both masts. Which would
entail possible modification of the hull to support the mast,
relocation of chain plates, possible added reinforcement of the hull
to attach the chain plates, and so on.

A logical question would be, since most of the common rigs have sailed
the oceans with, apparently equal success, what would be the advantage
of modifying a perfectly seaworthy boat into what might turn out to be
a miserable mismatched monstrosity?

Given that the mast head sloop, or 3/4 rig are probably the most
commonly seen smaller boat one might give some thought to why...
And to give additional thought to what advantage a different type of
rig might have?

If it were me and I have lived aboard for more then ten years, I would
give much more thought to the hull type. Cat or mono hull; center or
aft cockpit; location of hatches and ports, etc.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

In a 40 ft boat, you're talking about small sails in any configuration. Any multi-mast configuration will not point well because
the mizzen is masked by the main. Off the wind, no problem, but close to the wind is where the sloop has the hands down advantage.
There is only so much righting moment and if you share that across multiple masts and one mast is effectively disabled by the
main, serious sail area and close haul drive is sacrificed. Additionally, 2 masts require more sails. Sails need sail bags and
sail bags need storage space. With a 40' boat, storage space is at a premium for liveaboard use. That size is great for a
vacation, but as a permanent home, many creature comforts will have to be sacrificed and your dream soon gets old.

You are in the dream stage now where all you can see is the bow wave in crystal clear waters. You have no idea how much **** you
end up carrying and the frustration that sets in when you can't carry more. Add to that, the misery of carrying your dirty laundry
through the rain to the nearest Laundromat and this idealistic scenario you now envisage goes to hell in a hand basket. You will
need a bigger boat if your dream is to survive and they don't come cheap.
Steve

"silverdragon" wrote in message
...
Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!