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Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!

silverdragon wrote:
Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!

Cat or junk rig hands down. Simple, less rigging, less winches
easy to sail, great for cruising.
G

"Gordon" wrote in message
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silverdragon wrote:
Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!

Cat or junk rig hands down. Simple, less rigging, less winches
easy to sail, great for cruising.
G

I agree with the cat, but the yawl or ketch is also quite viable. The sails
are smaller and easier to handle, you get decent performance, and you have
more sail configuration options. I don't know enough about junk rigs to
comment, but from the pics I've seen, you have a gaff, so that means weight
aloft you don't need.

A nice configuration is a cutter-rig ketch... lots of combos.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:29:01 -0700 (PDT), silverdragon
wrote:

Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!

How big a boat?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

wrote:
Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
How big a boat?

Excellent question
Another important one that needs to be answered is "What kind of
sailing do you intend to do?

Each has it's advantages and disadvantages. However, since the boat
marktplace is flooded with masthead sloops, that is what 99% buy...
it's a cost-effective solution.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Aug 25, 5:02*pm, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:29:01 -0700 (PDT), silverdragon

wrote:
Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!

How big a boat?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Probably around a 40ft, and we will be using it for blue water
cruising, ocean crossing and a full time live aboard.

Is it viable to buy a ketch and then convert it to a cats ketch?

How different is a cats ketch to sail then a sloop or a cutter?

-Eric Taylor

"silverdragon" wrote in message
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Probably around a 40ft, and we will be using it for blue water
cruising, ocean crossing and a full time live aboard.

Is it viable to buy a ketch and then convert it to a cats ketch?

How different is a cats ketch to sail then a sloop or a cutter?

-Eric Taylor

If you're talking "Cat Ketch," you're basically talking about a Freedom, and
a conversion is unlikely to be either wise or affordable. The Freedom rig is
unique and the boat is designed for it. Any other ketch, on the other hand,
will probably be a traditional stayed rig (few excceptions). I personally
prefer a ketch, but have always had a soft spot in my heart (and possibly my
head) for the modern Junk rig, preferably in either ketch or schooner
configuration. The two-masted rig gives a lot of options in sail and sail
balance that is difficult or impossible to achieve with a single-masted rig.
Of course, every boat is a compromise, and the ketch and schooner rigs are
usually less weatherly than sloops. If you can sail within 30 degrees of the
wind, you're doing well. Works for me.
--
KLC Lewis

WISCONSIN
Where It's So Cool Outside, Nobody Stays Indoors Napping
www.KLCLewisStudios.com

Look at a WHITBY 42. They are a ketch rig..

silverdragon wrote:
On Aug 25, 5:02 pm, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:29:01 -0700 (PDT), silverdragon

wrote:

Hey I have been doing some research on diffrent rig types for the
livaboard my wife and I plan to buy in the next 4 years and I was
wondering what some of you reccommend. Or if you had any first hand
experience.

Some of the rigs we have been looking in to a

Cats ketch
Yawl or ketch
Schooner Junk

I would love to get some feed back thanks!

How big a boat?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Probably around a 40ft, and we will be using it for blue water
cruising, ocean crossing and a full time live aboard.

Is it viable to buy a ketch and then convert it to a cats ketch?

How different is a cats ketch to sail then a sloop or a cutter?

-Eric Taylor

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
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In a 40 ft boat, you're talking about small sails in any configuration.
Any multi-mast configuration will not point well because the mizzen is
masked by the main. Off the wind, no problem, but close to the wind is
where the sloop has the hands down advantage. There is only so much
righting moment and if you share that across multiple masts and one mast
is effectively disabled by the main, serious sail area and close haul
drive is sacrificed. Additionally, 2 masts require more sails. Sails need
sail bags and sail bags need storage space. With a 40' boat, storage space
is at a premium for liveaboard use. That size is great for a vacation, but
as a permanent home, many creature comforts will have to be sacrificed and
your dream soon gets old.

You are in the dream stage now where all you can see is the bow wave in
crystal clear waters. You have no idea how much **** you end up carrying
and the frustration that sets in when you can't carry more. Add to that,
the misery of carrying your dirty laundry through the rain to the nearest
Laundromat and this idealistic scenario you now envisage goes to hell in a
hand basket. You will need a bigger boat if your dream is to survive and
they don't come cheap.
Steve

Interesting perspective. I tend to agree with the space limitations,
although it really depends on the 40-footer. Many people sail a ketch with
missen and jib, and they don't even bother with the main. The sail size on a
sloop, at least for the main, is usually larger than a ketch of similar
size, but not grossly different, again, depending on the boat. You do have
more sail options, perhaps more easily attained with a ketch/yawl. There's
more weight in the wrong place and you can't sail up wind as well. Those
instances should be kept to a minimum anyway to enhance crew rest.

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"j" ganz @@
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