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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:06:40 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: What is top end of the DD6-71? Difficult to tell from limited pics on web site, but it appears you have a small case design, but that is just a guess. They will top out at 2400 RPM but we never push them beyond 1800 for any length of time, and more typically cruise at 1400 to 1500. They are based on the Delco CS-144 which is considered large case in the automotive world, but they are not a J-180 mount which is a big plus for me. My engines are set up for a 2 inch Delco foot except that they have a 1/2 inch mounting bolt instead of 3/8ths. Drilling out the alternator foot to 1/2 inch is easy and there is plenty of metal left over. |
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:25:30 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: y engines are set up for a 2 inch Delco foot except that they have a 1/2 inch mounting bolt instead of 3/8ths. Drilling out the alternator foot to 1/2 inch is easy and there is plenty of metal left over. That's interesting. I wonder why 3/8 isn't enough. I had a 4250 pound airplane with the wings each held on by a couple of 1/4-20 bolts. Loaded in double shear. [Beech D-17S]. Casady |
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:25:30 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: y engines are set up for a 2 inch Delco foot except that they have a 1/2 inch mounting bolt instead of 3/8ths. Drilling out the alternator foot to 1/2 inch is easy and there is plenty of metal left over. That's interesting. I wonder why 3/8 isn't enough. I had a 4250 pound airplane with the wings each held on by a couple of 1/4-20 bolts. Loaded in double shear. [Beech D-17S]. Casady No, Richard. You might want to remeasure... |
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:38:57 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:25:30 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: y engines are set up for a 2 inch Delco foot except that they have a 1/2 inch mounting bolt instead of 3/8ths. Drilling out the alternator foot to 1/2 inch is easy and there is plenty of metal left over. That's interesting. I wonder why 3/8 isn't enough. I had a 4250 pound airplane with the wings each held on by a couple of 1/4-20 bolts. Loaded in double shear. [Beech D-17S]. Everything about a DD6-71 is industrial strength overkill. They were designed originally to power Sherman tanks. My main generator is powered by a Yanmar industrial diesel and it is built like a toy in comparison. |
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:25:58 -0500, cavelamb
wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:25:30 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: y engines are set up for a 2 inch Delco foot except that they have a 1/2 inch mounting bolt instead of 3/8ths. Drilling out the alternator foot to 1/2 inch is easy and there is plenty of metal left over. That's interesting. I wonder why 3/8 isn't enough. I had a 4250 pound airplane with the wings each held on by a couple of 1/4-20 bolts. Loaded in double shear. [Beech D-17S]. Casady No, Richard. You might want to remeasure... I disassembled the thing, I ought to know. 1/4 inch bolts. Casady |
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On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:00:46 -0400, jeff wrote:
Tuuk wrote: Hi I bought the two Nautaulis deep cycle big batteries for 139. ea. Also the motomaster 10/2 amp automatic charger regurlarily 70. I have had the 2amp charger on one of the batteries for about 6 hours or 8 hours and little bubbling going on I can hear and the charger still is not changing from red light (charging) to green light (charged). Should I keep it on the 2am for longer? Batteries are only 1 week old from Canadian Tire and charger is also new. random thoughts: Its hard to say about the bubbling because a small amount of bubbling is expected, but a large amount means possible overcharging. As others say, get a simple Voltmeter and a cheap specific gravity tester - you can get both for under $10. And of course make sure the battery has the proper amount of distilled water. Your batteries hold a bit over 100 Amp-hours, meaning that if the were totally dead it would take over 50 hours for your 2 Amp charger to get one close to full. The last 10% could take some hours more. However, they should have be delivered with at least a 50% charge - otherwise you'd have a case to return them as DOA, since taking them below 50% diminishes the lifetime. Look for a manufacturing code to make sure it hasn't sat on the dealer's shelf for 6 months or more. That said, I would expect the batteries to need a significant initial charge (unless the dealer claimed they were fully charged) so the 2 Amp mode really will take overnight or more to get it up to full. Or you could use the 10 Amp mode to do it faster. BTW, I regularly charge at a rate double that (scaled for my larger bank) but my charger is well controlled so it doesn't apply too high a Voltage. In fact, the purpose of a deep cycle battery is to be able to take them down to about 50%, and then recharge them reasonably quickly, and repeat this about 500 times. If you really want to charge at a slow rate, this is the device to get: http://www.amazon.com/Battery-Tender...dp/B00068XCQU/ You would have a hard time seriously overcharging a 100 amp hour flooded deep cycle battery using a 2 amp trickle charger. Being a new battery, it probably has never been fully and properly charged. Battery charging is more complicated than merely stuffing electricity back into the battery. The last 5-10% of capacity is the hardest to achieve. |
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:53:27 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:37:39 -0400, wrote: Being a new battery, it probably has never been fully and properly charged. Battery charging is more complicated than merely stuffing electricity back into the battery. The last 5-10% of capacity is the hardest to achieve. Seems that getting batteries with 5-10% more capacity than you need, and not worrying about the last 5-10% would be a solution. Batteries are never quite big enough. I think there is a tendency to add things that draw power., or simply get more casual about useage, as your battery banks and charging system expand. I changed over to AGM batteries for a number of reasons, but one was lower internal resistance, which makes for faster and easier charging. That effectively increased my capacity without adding any weight. I suspect that is too easy, aside from psychology, and somebody will explain why. I do know that I always find something in the last place I look for it though. No doubts there. --Vic |
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:18:49 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:32:26 -0400, wrote: Batteries are never quite big enough. I think there is a tendency to add things that draw power., or simply get more casual about useage, as your battery banks and charging system expand. Additionally, batteries gradually lose capacity as they age, combined with the fact that you really shouldn't draw them down more than 50%. In reality you can only use about 30 to 40% of rated capacity without unduly shortening battery life. Electrical buget is much easier if you just omit refrigeration, and pay attention to everything else. Don't run anything unless you really need to run it. You don't need your whole boat's interior lit up bright enough to read by. Well thought out ventilation means you almost never need to run even a small fan. I rarely run my batteries down anywhere near 50%. I enjoy that my boat's environment is very different from my land bound home. I'm pretty conservative with energy there, too, but not to the same degree. I did reduce my heating oil usage 27% this past winter by adding a few hundred dollars worth of insulation in strategic places. That will continue to save every year going forward. I'm looking into geothermal for the primary house. Looks like about 20-30k, but part of that is absorbed by what it would cost me to replace my present boiler when it's due in a few years, so it's not really so bad. There are also usually all sorts of credits and tax advantages available. I could probably even put up enough PV panels (with a battery bank) to cover power for the geothermal's pumps and controls. For me, it's not just about saving the money. I like the idea of using less energy, even if there is no big savings. There are savings, though. It just requires longer term thinking than many are capable of. |
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