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On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:36:29 -0400, jeff wrote:
wrote: Realizing he's completely lost this one, salty starts to fall apart ... line? Spinnaker halyard and jib halyard? We are not talking about racing, or anything else, Jeff. We are talking about teaching someone the basics of sailing. It is exactly the wrong time to be using labels and color codes. Wrong. Are your actually claiming that while a "proper" racing or cruising boat should use coding, a boat used at time for training should have none??? That sounds patently stupid. Only because I lacks critical thinking skills. You're right with that one. I'm lost? You're the lard ass who is afraid of monohulls because they are too tippy. And as far as sailing experience? You have told us many times that you think cruising is 70% motoring. For you, I'm sure it is. Do you still wet the bed, fatso? |
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:06:51 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote: On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:09:01 -0400, wrote: We are not talking about racing, or anything else, Jeff. We are talking about teaching someone the basics of sailing. For basics, the Sunfish. One halyard, one sheet, that's it. They will have no trouble with the cooler. Casady Better make sure you have labels so everyone will be able to find the tiller! Maybe a sign near the bow with an arrow pointing aft to be completely sure. |
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... On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:32:38 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:01:31 -0400, jeff wrote: wrote: On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:38:57 -0700 (PDT), Bob wrote: On Apr 24, 11:29 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome. As a current university faculty wich includes Employee Training & Develpment among others. Licensed state teacher K-8 (expired) Former Marine Education Specialist WOrking Able Seaman on a 1100 GRT vessel. One of the difintions of COmmunication includes the tem, uncertainty reduction. In someones words to meaning creation. Learning theory is a mature body of literature. SOme belive there are 7 learning styles. THat means teachers need to creat lessons that use each. Jean Piaget says humans have 4 stages of cognative develpmment that controll what can be learned at specific ages. So while one teaching stratigy is effective on some learners it will fail with others. SO to say what is the "best way" to teach is wrong on two levels. First, its not, how to teach rather how do others learn. For example some people are color blind so out goes your color code systm but thats an over simplified analogy. Second, im too tired to expain the other. NOw I know there are a bunch of "traininers" and instructors of "training the trainer" courses here who have memorized a few basich learning concepts who will spout some form of , see one, do one teach one or some other variation of telling and showing. TO anser your questoin.......................... collored lines and labled liines work wonderfully for some and fail for others. ONe thing Ive learned in the GOM. unllicensed deckhands and 100 ton operators have diffrent names for bits and tie-up lines from boat to boat. One midship line was called the "garbage can" bit/line cause that what was next to the bit. Was I surprised my first day when he told me to start with the garbage can line??? Communicatoin = reduction of uncertainty and meaning creation. IN conclussion, color code lines lable with names/placard draw a schematic sing about them watch a move about them rig a model boat touch each line there are a few others but i think you get the idea. Bob-Sensei, AB One major problem, that you missed completely, Bob. If you teach someone the ropes using color codes or labels, you are only teaching them to sail THAT boat. They will be lost on any other boat, because the lines will be different colors, or therv will be no labels. They might even have labels, but with slightly ifferent names. Give a man a fish... You know the rest. Teach them based on the function of the line and it's route, and they will then REALLY know the ropes in a way they can use on other boats. It might also teach them a new way to learn things on their own by using observation and judgement to figure things out. Total nonsense. If you want to encourage someone to learn more about sailing, you should make it as easy as possible to use the lines. Or perhaps you think releasing the halyard when you intended to ease the Cunningham would be a useful learning experience. While its true that some people will want to learn the meaning of each line, the vast majority would think that unlabeled lines are too risky to event try to sort out. Of course, if your goal is to ensure only those who are "worthy" are allowed to sail, then we should require that they be able to name every line on a full rigged ship before coming on board. Navigating in the fog with only a lead line and chip log should be a prerequisite for owning a GPS. Total hyperbolic baloney, Jeff. You sound like a hysterical girl. Teach the lines a few at a time. Start with the most basic ones. Start with the main halyard, and main sheets. No one needs to know a barber haul from a foreguy from a Cunningham until later on. Much later on, for many people, who may never own a boat that includes them. Musical analogy: Learn to play a C major scale before you start to worry about flats and sharps, much less pentatonic, myxolydian and Phrygian scales. Teaching someone to read labels is not teaching them anything about sailing. Jon's students will realize that when they try to sail a boat that Jon hasn't "baby proofed". This is completely wrong. I think you're trying to be an abstructionist rather than actually have a legitimate discussion. I'm not sure why. I clearly explained the purpose of the labels and others identified the use of colored lines. Both reduce the chance of confusion during teaching. No claim has been made that there's only one way or that I or anyone is teaching them to read labels. My students do quite well after they move on to greater things, and they know the purpose of things such as lines, so that they can identify the form they take. Please don't presume to know about how I teach or how my students learn. When was the last time you taught a formal sailing course? Under what program? ??? Take the broomstick out iof your ass, Jon. You are tripping over it. So, you have nothing better to offer. As I said, you don't know me or how I teach. I asked you a question, which you didn't answer. Ok. No problem. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Bubba" wrote in message
... wrote in message ... On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:01:31 -0400, jeff wrote: Teaching someone to read labels is not teaching them anything about sailing. Jon's students will realize that when they try to sail a boat that Jon hasn't "baby proofed". It's not for the students, it's for Jon. He can't remember which is what. heh... shhhh.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Apr 26, 7:01*am, jeff wrote:
wrote: On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:38:57 -0700 (PDT), Bob wrote: Total nonsense. If you want to encourage someone to learn more about sailing, you should make it as easy as possible to use the lines. excellent advice ! Bob |
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:26:58 -0400, jeff wrote:
wrote: You're right with that one. I'm lost? You're the lard ass who is afraid of monohulls because they are too tippy. And as far as sailing experience? You have told us many times that you think cruising is 70% motoring. For you, I'm sure it is. Do you still wet the bed, fatso? Wow! You must feel like a total piece of **** that I forced you to come out with that! What a friggin' loser! Yes, you are that, too. Except for losing weight, of course. |
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