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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:00:30 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find
that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew
if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old
Brother
P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome.

Jonathan


On my new boat, the jib sheets are the same color - and so is the main
sheet!

D wanted me to replace them all with different colored ones like we had
on
the 18 so she could quickly find the right line.

While labels and colors may be helpful at first, I wonder if, in the
end,
the
practice is more restrictive than helpful.



I think you're right that in the end labels are more restrictive if one
relies on them... sometimes labels are wrong. :-)

I think colored lines are worth doing... it reinforces the right thing,
but
again, they need to be confirmed to actually mean something.

My first serious boat as a teenager was a very beat up Fying Dutchman.
Flying Dutchmans had so many lines, some folks described them as being
spaghetti factories. Since I was a broke teenager, all my lines were
the same color. It was the only color clothesline comes in. We quickly
learned to look where a line was headed to know what it was for.
Labels would have slowed the learning process, and things can happen
fast enough on a boat such as that, that you don't have time for
reading labels anyway.


Bingo!

I color-code my lines, sheets are black, halyards are red (roller furler)
and green (mains'l), other lines are usually white with colored runners --
but I always try to stress "look where the line goes" rather than "grab that
black line on the coachroof."



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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:00:30 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find
that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew
if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old
Brother
P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome.

Jonathan


On my new boat, the jib sheets are the same color - and so is the main
sheet!

D wanted me to replace them all with different colored ones like we had
on
the 18 so she could quickly find the right line.

While labels and colors may be helpful at first, I wonder if, in the
end,
the
practice is more restrictive than helpful.



I think you're right that in the end labels are more restrictive if one
relies on them... sometimes labels are wrong. :-)

I think colored lines are worth doing... it reinforces the right thing,
but
again, they need to be confirmed to actually mean something.

My first serious boat as a teenager was a very beat up Fying Dutchman.
Flying Dutchmans had so many lines, some folks described them as being
spaghetti factories. Since I was a broke teenager, all my lines were
the same color. It was the only color clothesline comes in. We quickly
learned to look where a line was headed to know what it was for.
Labels would have slowed the learning process, and things can happen
fast enough on a boat such as that, that you don't have time for
reading labels anyway.



Fortunately, my boat doesn't have a spaghetti wire of lines. I think it's
helpful, at least initially, for students to not be confused. This is
especially useful when I take charters with inexperienced but willing
people. In any case, I'm looking for a solution if you know of one...


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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:00:57 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:00:30 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find
that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew
if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old
Brother
P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome.

Jonathan


On my new boat, the jib sheets are the same color - and so is the main
sheet!

D wanted me to replace them all with different colored ones like we had
on
the 18 so she could quickly find the right line.

While labels and colors may be helpful at first, I wonder if, in the
end,
the
practice is more restrictive than helpful.



I think you're right that in the end labels are more restrictive if one
relies on them... sometimes labels are wrong. :-)

I think colored lines are worth doing... it reinforces the right thing,
but
again, they need to be confirmed to actually mean something.

My first serious boat as a teenager was a very beat up Fying Dutchman.
Flying Dutchmans had so many lines, some folks described them as being
spaghetti factories. Since I was a broke teenager, all my lines were
the same color. It was the only color clothesline comes in. We quickly
learned to look where a line was headed to know what it was for.
Labels would have slowed the learning process, and things can happen
fast enough on a boat such as that, that you don't have time for
reading labels anyway.



Fortunately, my boat doesn't have a spaghetti wire of lines. I think it's
helpful, at least initially, for students to not be confused. This is
especially useful when I take charters with inexperienced but willing
people. In any case, I'm looking for a solution if you know of one...

Sorry, I am not that familiar with sailing on the short bus.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:45:14 -0500, cavelamb
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Capt. JG wrote:
Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find that
when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if they
can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother P-touch,
but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome.

Jonathan


On my new boat, the jib sheets are the same color - and so is the main sheet!

D wanted me to replace them all with different colored ones like we had on the
18 so she could quickly find the right line.

While labels and colors may be helpful at first, I wonder if, in the end, the
practice is more restrictive than helpful.


I use different color lines but the colors aren't intended to mean
anything special. There are two red lines and one blue in the cockpit
- P & SB jib sheets and main sheet. Seems to work on my boat but where
a boat has all lines led back to the cockpit I have seen labels at the
cleats or clutches. some boats have those slick black "name tag"
labels. the ones where you engrave the words and they show up in
white.

Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:45:14 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

Capt. JG wrote:
Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find
that
when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if
they
can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother
P-touch,
but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome.

Jonathan


On my new boat, the jib sheets are the same color - and so is the main
sheet!

D wanted me to replace them all with different colored ones like we had on
the
18 so she could quickly find the right line.

While labels and colors may be helpful at first, I wonder if, in the end,
the
practice is more restrictive than helpful.


I use different color lines but the colors aren't intended to mean
anything special. There are two red lines and one blue in the cockpit
- P & SB jib sheets and main sheet. Seems to work on my boat but where
a boat has all lines led back to the cockpit I have seen labels at the
cleats or clutches. some boats have those slick black "name tag"
labels. the ones where you engrave the words and they show up in
white.

Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I'm looking for the device that makes the labels that don't fade. There are
two that I've found on the web... one's called DYMO MarinePro. Decent price
of $50. The other is a metal label for double that.


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"Capt. JG" wrote
Suggestions welcome.

You could go the Captain Ron route and use a system of colored ribbons. "Red
running, blue standing." (Or was it the other way around?)

"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote
Suggestions welcome.

You could go the Captain Ron route and use a system of colored ribbons.
"Red running, blue standing." (Or was it the other way around?)

I forgot that part of the movie... loved it though....

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A sharpie works very well. It will fade, but you can re-do it, and it'll
fade so when you no longer want it, it's gone. They use this method on the
AC boats early in the campaigns.


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find
that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew if
they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother
P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome.

Jonathan

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"Bubba" wrote in message ...
A sharpie works very well. It will fade, but you can re-do it, and it'll
fade so when you no longer want it, it's gone. They use this method on the
AC boats early in the campaigns.


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
.. .
Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find
that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew
if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother
P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome.

Jonathan


Not sure if I want to write on my gelcoat.... I suppose that would work.
Maybe I can find some who can print more legibly than I.

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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:02:04 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bubba" wrote in message ...
A sharpie works very well. It will fade, but you can re-do it, and it'll
fade so when you no longer want it, it's gone. They use this method on the
AC boats early in the campaigns.


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
.. .
Do any of use labels for items like mainsheet, traveller, etc.? I find
that when I'm teaching it's easier for beginning students to get a clew
if they can read what's in front of them. I've been using my old Brother
P-touch, but the labels fade pretty quickly. Suggestions welcome.

Jonathan


Not sure if I want to write on my gelcoat.... I suppose that would work.
Maybe I can find some who can print more legibly than I.

I doubt shellac will attack gel coat. So write over a patch of that.

Casady