Capt. JG wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message
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Tens of
millions of people worldwide drink RO water without an issue.
Tens of millions of people drink lake water, too, "without an issue".
But,
I don't think we're being honest with any of them over the LONG TERM what
these pathogens will do to them over time.....



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Larry
You can tell there's very intelligent life in the Universe
because none of them have ever tried to contact us.....


No one gets out alive.

Damn! I *had* hoped...

Keith Hughes

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Larry wrote:
wrote in
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Tens of
millions of people worldwide drink RO water without an issue.

Tens of millions of people drink lake water, too, "without an issue".
But, I don't think we're being honest with any of them over the LONG
TERM what these pathogens will do to them over time.....

You're assuming that RO water *has* pathogens in it. Lake water
typically does. But the fact that so many do drink lake water
"without an issue" gives you a very good sense of the *scale* of the
problem you're so concerned with. As a practical matter, very few
bacteria present any problem at all in the stomach unless their
population is very high, and a well maintained RO systems generate
very low bioburden permeate.

Keith Hughes



Man it's hard to get real information from the net in the horrendous NOISE
from the RO manufacturers and sellers!

There's just all this conflicting BULL****!

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message
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wrote in
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Tens of
millions of people worldwide drink RO water without an issue.
Tens of millions of people drink lake water, too, "without an issue".
But,
I don't think we're being honest with any of them over the LONG TERM
what
these pathogens will do to them over time.....



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Larry
You can tell there's very intelligent life in the Universe
because none of them have ever tried to contact us.....


No one gets out alive.

Damn! I *had* hoped...

Keith Hughes


Who knows... there's always an exception to the rule.

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Capt. JG wrote:
wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message
...
wrote in
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Tens of
millions of people worldwide drink RO water without an issue.
Tens of millions of people drink lake water, too, "without an issue".
But,
I don't think we're being honest with any of them over the LONG TERM
what
these pathogens will do to them over time.....



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Larry
You can tell there's very intelligent life in the Universe
because none of them have ever tried to contact us.....

No one gets out alive.
Damn! I *had* hoped...

Keith Hughes


Who knows... there's always an exception to the rule.


Two, so far, but they are few and far between...

Larry wrote:
wrote in
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Larry wrote:
wrote in
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Tens of
millions of people worldwide drink RO water without an issue.
Tens of millions of people drink lake water, too, "without an issue".
But, I don't think we're being honest with any of them over the LONG
TERM what these pathogens will do to them over time.....
You're assuming that RO water *has* pathogens in it. Lake water
typically does. But the fact that so many do drink lake water
"without an issue" gives you a very good sense of the *scale* of the
problem you're so concerned with. As a practical matter, very few
bacteria present any problem at all in the stomach unless their
population is very high, and a well maintained RO systems generate
very low bioburden permeate.

Keith Hughes



Man it's hard to get real information from the net in the horrendous NOISE
from the RO manufacturers and sellers!

There's just all this conflicting BULL****!


In the last five years or so, the net has become nothing but...
bull**** and stale links.

Larry wrote:
wrote in
:

Larry wrote:
wrote in
:

Tens of
millions of people worldwide drink RO water without an issue.
Tens of millions of people drink lake water, too, "without an issue".
But, I don't think we're being honest with any of them over the LONG
TERM what these pathogens will do to them over time.....
You're assuming that RO water *has* pathogens in it. Lake water
typically does. But the fact that so many do drink lake water
"without an issue" gives you a very good sense of the *scale* of the
problem you're so concerned with. As a practical matter, very few
bacteria present any problem at all in the stomach unless their
population is very high, and a well maintained RO systems generate
very low bioburden permeate.

Keith Hughes

Man it's hard to get real information from the net in the horrendous NOISE
from the RO manufacturers and sellers!

There's just all this conflicting BULL****!

Can't argue with you there. But I've been looking at micro results from
RO, DI, EDI, and distillation systems for over 25 years, and I base my
opinions on the data I've seen. I've seen RO systems totally out of
control, with bugs out the wazoo, but any system that's minimally
maintained doesn't present a problem.

Keith Hughes

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wrote in
:

Larry wrote:
wrote in
:

Tens of
millions of people worldwide drink RO water without an issue.

Tens of millions of people drink lake water, too, "without an issue".
But, I don't think we're being honest with any of them over the LONG
TERM what these pathogens will do to them over time.....

You're assuming that RO water *has* pathogens in it. Lake water
typically does. But the fact that so many do drink lake water
"without an issue" gives you a very good sense of the *scale* of the
problem you're so concerned with. As a practical matter, very few
bacteria present any problem at all in the stomach unless their
population is very high, and a well maintained RO systems generate
very low bioburden permeate.

Keith Hughes



Man it's hard to get real information from the net in the horrendous NOISE
from the RO manufacturers and sellers!

There's just all this conflicting BULL****!

When there are conflicting claims, you then have to decide which is
BS and which is real. Of course, you may need evidence and experience
to decide whether any or all are either BS or truth. Then you have
to decide whether your experience is representative or unique.
Ah, well, that's why we have the scientific method.


Mark Borgerson

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:58:35 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

Meanwhile, the reason we're ashore is for Lydia's grandson's open heart
surgery, from which he comes home today. Prayers appreciated...

All the best for a good recovery. That's tough surgery for anyone,
let alone a child.

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
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Hi, Wilbur,


You have a big problem, Skippy. The problem is you are trying to run what
amounts to the average size house ashore on batteries. Considering your
total power usage you need a battery bank of at least 20 (yes, I said
TWENTY) of those Trojan deep cycle six-volt batteries. Then you need a
separate battery bank of at least 2 heavy duty cranking batteries for
your starter.

You should do either of three things.

1) continue to be an energy hog and plan on running your diesel with
heavy duty alternator for at least 8 hours a day to properly charge the
above suggested battery bank.
2) invest in an 8KW diesel variable output genset and run it 24/7 and
reduce the size of the suggested battery bank by a factor of five.
3) get rid of 80% of the crap in your boat that runs on electricity that
you don't need anyway and start acting like a sensible cruiser and have a
battery bank of 4 Trojans plus two starter batteries and charge them
using photovoltaics (400 watts worth) plus wind generator and stick to
using no more electricity per day than these input.



Wilbur Hubbard

We have 880 AH, which does us very well. In a tropical envrionment, for
which the system was designed, the current 370W solar and a single KISS
wind will keep us up to full charge.

Here in lesser ideal situations, occasionally we run the Honda through the
shorepower link to make the 70A inverter-charger run. For the next couple
of months or so we'll be at a dock, and, of course, that all will become
moot..

Virtually everything other than miscellaneous small chargers (spotlight,
toothbrushes, coffee grinder, and a computer flatscreen - more on which
below) is 12 V. When I find a suitable monitor which will run on ship
power, I'll replace the one I have and the entire computer setup will be
12V.

If you look in the archives (or I could perhaps repost it) I put up a very
extensive look at everything we had aboard, and the anticipated usage.
I'll add more solar when we do the hardtop, but for now, the system works
very well.

And we have a 9* freezer and 33* reefer - all the comforts of home, which
our boat is, and, now, having made landfall, can say conclusively that it
suits us much better than anything we've been reintroduced to ashore,
other than the unlimited water and drying for laundry.

Meanwhile, the reason we're ashore is for Lydia's grandson's open heart
surgery, from which he comes home today. Prayers appreciated...

L8R

Skip and crew


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