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"cavelamb" wrote in message
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote:

Well, I voted against him, but I'll take my hat off to him today.
Well done all...

Really?

Didn't realize you could vote against some one.

Thought you could only vote FOR someone.

Lew


It's been that way for near on 50 years, Lew.

Whichever one scares ya most, vote for the other guy...


John, 0.5 crises at a time, McCain. That scared me.

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"Capt. JG" wrote:


That sounds about right, and I'm opposed to the death penalty.

So am I.

Having actually been in an execution chamber gives you a whole
different perspective to the process.

It also is a lot less expensive to incarcerate some one for life than
it is to execute them.

Several states, including Texas, now have legislation pending to
eliminate the death penalty as a cost reduction.

Lew

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"cavelamb" wrote:

Well, I voted against him, but I'll take my hat off to him today.
Well done all...

Really?

Didn't realize you could vote against some one.

Thought you could only vote FOR someone.

Lew




http://coblitz.codeen.org/citp.princ...age/advantage-
insecurities-exhibit-lores.mp4


Download this big video (255MB) onto your computer so you'll be ready
for your next election. Don't miss watching this one! This video was
prepared by a team of IT scientists at Princeton University for a court
case against the voting machine company STILL used across New Jersey!

Even the poll worker can peek through a slot and see what you're about
to vote for....AND CANCEL THAT VOTE AT THE TOUCH OF A BUTTON!

That's not the worst of it. If all the Grannies area dead honest
running the poll, that makes no difference. Watch how easily this piece
of government sponsored crap is HACKED!

And you guys actually are bickering over FOR or AGAINST? ONE even
marginally placed person can make a whole state vote for exactly who the
ruling elite wants that state to vote for...across the board.

IT'S ALL A SHAM!

If you have the bandwidth, the highest resolution movie is 980MB from:
http://coblitz.codeen.org/citp.princ...age/advantage-
insecurities-exhibit-hires.mp4

Guess why this movie hasn't been broadcast on any US cable channel......

Electronic ballot box stuffing has been taken to a NEW LEVEL!

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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:amvEl.520$b11.241
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Several states, including Texas, now have legislation pending to
eliminate the death penalty as a cost reduction.


Texas comedian Ron White is going to have to change his routine if that
happens. He says, "In most states, there eliminating the death penalty.
In Texas, we're puttin' in an EXPRESS LANE!"

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In article ,
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

"Capt. JG" wrote:


That sounds about right, and I'm opposed to the death penalty.

So am I.

Having actually been in an execution chamber gives you a whole
different perspective to the process.

Apart from sometimes condemning the wrong person.

It also is a lot less expensive to incarcerate some one for life than
it is to execute them.

Several states, including Texas, now have legislation pending to
eliminate the death penalty as a cost reduction.

Great news, even if for the wrong reason.

I believe it would be a strong signal for human rights to abolish
capital punishment in the US, as in any other country.

Marc

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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote:


That sounds about right, and I'm opposed to the death penalty.

So am I.

Having actually been in an execution chamber gives you a whole different
perspective to the process.

It also is a lot less expensive to incarcerate some one for life than it
is to execute them.

Leaving aside the arguments for and against the death penalty, how can it
possibly be more expensive to execute somebody than to keep him/her in
prison for life?

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"Edgar" wrote:

Leaving aside the arguments for and against the death penalty, how
can it possibly be more expensive to execute somebody than to keep
him/her in prison for life?

Pure math.

Assume it costs $1,000/week to keep someone in prison.

That is $52,000/year.

To simplify the math, call it $60,000/year.

If you keep a person in jail 60 years the cost is:

(60years)*($60,000/year) = $3,600,000 lifetime.

The legal costs for a capital case including appeals far exceeds
$3,600,000.

Also the jail costs continue to accrue thus increasing costs while the
legal process continues.

The only people who make out are the lawyers.

Lew

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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...

"Edgar" wrote:

Leaving aside the arguments for and against the death penalty, how can
it possibly be more expensive to execute somebody than to keep him/her in
prison for life?

Pure math.

Assume it costs $1,000/week to keep someone in prison.

That is $52,000/year.

To simplify the math, call it $60,000/year.

If you keep a person in jail 60 years the cost is:

(60years)*($60,000/year) = $3,600,000 lifetime.

The legal costs for a capital case including appeals far exceeds
$3,600,000.

Also the jail costs continue to accrue thus increasing costs while the
legal process continues.

The only people who make out are the lawyers.

Lew


There is a flaw in that argument.
You have not taken into account the fact that there wll also be lawyers fees
for the guy who gets life in prison.
I agree that the lawyers win whichever route is taken but capital punishment
certainly reduces the cost to the taxpayer.

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wrote:


"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...

"Edgar" wrote:

Leaving aside the arguments for and against the death penalty, how can
it possibly be more expensive to execute somebody than to keep him/her in
prison for life?

Pure math.

Assume it costs $1,000/week to keep someone in prison.

That is $52,000/year.

To simplify the math, call it $60,000/year.

If you keep a person in jail 60 years the cost is:

(60years)*($60,000/year) = $3,600,000 lifetime.

The legal costs for a capital case including appeals far exceeds
$3,600,000.

Also the jail costs continue to accrue thus increasing costs while the
legal process continues.

The only people who make out are the lawyers.

Lew


There is a flaw in that argument.
You have not taken into account the fact that there wll also be lawyers fees
for the guy who gets life in prison.
I agree that the lawyers win whichever route is taken but capital punishment
certainly reduces the cost to the taxpayer.

It's not an argument, just an unsubstantiated contention.
No listing of costs, no sources.
Besides that, the cost of incarceration is bourn by the taxpayer.
The great part of legal costs opposing a death sentence are bourn by
anti-death penalty activists and contributors, and they also bear the
responsibility for and most of the costs of years of incarceration due
to delay in carrying out the sentence.
It's akin to the murderer of parents asking for mercy because he's an
orphan.
Not arguing the death penalty here, just faulty argument.
Where are the myth-busters when you need them?

--Vic

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"Larry" wrote in message
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:8ztEl.480$WK5.1
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"cavelamb" wrote:

Well, I voted against him, but I'll take my hat off to him today.
Well done all...

Really?

Didn't realize you could vote against some one.

Thought you could only vote FOR someone.

Lew




http://coblitz.codeen.org/citp.princ...age/advantage-
insecurities-exhibit-lores.mp4


Download this big video (255MB) onto your computer so you'll be ready
for your next election. Don't miss watching this one! This video was
prepared by a team of IT scientists at Princeton University for a court
case against the voting machine company STILL used across New Jersey!

Even the poll worker can peek through a slot and see what you're about
to vote for....AND CANCEL THAT VOTE AT THE TOUCH OF A BUTTON!

That's not the worst of it. If all the Grannies area dead honest
running the poll, that makes no difference. Watch how easily this piece
of government sponsored crap is HACKED!

And you guys actually are bickering over FOR or AGAINST? ONE even
marginally placed person can make a whole state vote for exactly who the
ruling elite wants that state to vote for...across the board.

IT'S ALL A SHAM!

If you have the bandwidth, the highest resolution movie is 980MB from:
http://coblitz.codeen.org/citp.princ...age/advantage-
insecurities-exhibit-hires.mp4

Guess why this movie hasn't been broadcast on any US cable channel......

Electronic ballot box stuffing has been taken to a NEW LEVEL!


Elections have always been a sham and always will be. Long before the first
computer, ballot boxes were stuffed with the votes of dead people, and
voters have been coerced into casting their votes exactly as the Powers that
Be want them to. I would hazard to say that there hasn't been a truly
"honest" election in the entire history of the United States of America.