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I heard this story break on the BBC World service early this morning, that Somali pirates had hijacked a US flagged container ship and after a battle lasting several hours had taken the ship,,, Then on the way home this afternoon I hear on NPR that the American crew had taken the ship back, but not the captain... http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D97EG5800.html I wonder what happened, did the Americans, sick of terrorist jerks taking whatever they want say "Enough, we're not going to roll over like a bunch of underpaid Filipinos." "We're UNION, and no non-union crew is gonna run this boat" :-) Cheers Martin |
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They apparently disabled the ship, presumably in a way that did not
encourage the pirates to sacrifice a crewman as an incentive to fix it up again. With US warships heading for the area, not to mention visitations by missile packing drones, they headed out with the Captain. Brian W Martin wrote: I heard this story break on the BBC World service early this morning, that Somali pirates had hijacked a US flagged container ship and after a battle lasting several hours had taken the ship,,, Then on the way home this afternoon I hear on NPR that the American crew had taken the ship back, but not the captain... http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D97EG5800.html I wonder what happened, did the Americans, sick of terrorist jerks taking whatever they want say "Enough, we're not going to roll over like a bunch of underpaid Filipinos." "We're UNION, and no non-union crew is gonna run this boat" :-) Cheers Martin |
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"Martin" wrote in message ... I wonder what happened, did the Americans, sick of terrorist jerks taking whatever they want say "Enough, we're not going to roll over like a bunch of underpaid Filipinos." "We're UNION, and no non-union crew is gonna run this boat" :-) If you are wondering what happened simply ask the captain of the ship if he is returned alive for $10 million. Unions: always quick to shaft the management! |
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On Apr 9, 8:03*am, "Sal Monella" wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message ... I wonder what happened, *did the Americans, sick of terrorist jerks taking whatever they want say "Enough, we're not going to roll over like a bunch of underpaid Filipinos." *"We're UNION, and no non-union crew is gonna run this boat" :-) If you are wondering what happened simply ask the captain of the ship if he is returned alive for $10 million. Unions: always quick to shaft the management! There will be no ransom paid. Crews fine. The Captain is in a lifeboat surrounded by half a dozen 50 cal. machine guns. Joe |
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"Joe" skrev i melding
... On Apr 9, 8:03 am, "Sal Monella" wrote: "Martin" wrote in message ... I wonder what happened, did the Americans, sick of terrorist jerks taking whatever they want say "Enough, we're not going to roll over like a bunch of underpaid Filipinos." "We're UNION, and no non-union crew is gonna run this boat" :-) If you are wondering what happened simply ask the captain of the ship if he is returned alive for $10 million. Unions: always quick to shaft the management! There will be no ransom paid. Crews fine. The Captain is in a lifeboat surrounded by half a dozen 50 cal. machine guns. Joe How come he is surrounded by half a dozen machine guns, only 4 pirates attacked the vessel. 1 was captured, 3 remains with the captain. |
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On Apr 9, 11:13*am, "Jan" wrote:
"Joe" skrev i ... On Apr 9, 8:03 am, "Sal Monella" wrote: "Martin" wrote in message m... I wonder what happened, did the Americans, sick of terrorist jerks taking whatever they want say "Enough, we're not going to roll over like a bunch of underpaid Filipinos." "We're UNION, and no non-union crew is gonna run this boat" :-) If you are wondering what happened simply ask the captain of the ship if he is returned alive for $10 million. Unions: always quick to shaft the management! *There will be no ransom paid. Crews fine. The Captain is in a lifeboat surrounded by half a dozen 50 cal. machine guns. Joe How come he is surrounded by half a dozen machine guns, only 4 pirates attacked the vessel. 1 was captured, 3 remains with the captain.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A US Navy Destroyer and 3 fast ribs surround the lifeboat he is held in. The pirates should stick to capturing euro and mid east ships if they expect to be paid ransoms. I suspect the pirates will surrender, or be killed, before any money is exchanged. Joe |
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Sal Monella wrote:
If you are wondering what happened simply ask the captain of the ship if he is returned alive for $10 million. I have got a feeling there are one or two ways to both save the Captain and deny the pirates their booty. We'll see! Brian W |
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Joe wrote in news:91c5321d-00c1-4fe9-a136-
: The Captain is in a lifeboat surrounded by half a dozen 50 cal. machine guns. I just read the lifeboat was out of fuel.... |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... Joe wrote in news:91c5321d-00c1-4fe9-a136- : The Captain is in a lifeboat surrounded by half a dozen 50 cal. machine guns. I just read the lifeboat was out of fuel.... I just read they have enough food for a week. No way these pirates are going home any time soon. |
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"Martin" wrote in message
... I heard this story break on the BBC World service early this morning, that Somali pirates had hijacked a US flagged container ship and after a battle lasting several hours had taken the ship,,, Then on the way home this afternoon I hear on NPR that the American crew had taken the ship back, but not the captain... http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D97EG5800.html I wonder what happened, did the Americans, sick of terrorist jerks taking whatever they want say "Enough, we're not going to roll over like a bunch of underpaid Filipinos." "We're UNION, and no non-union crew is gonna run this boat" :-) Cheers Martin I don't quite get it... seems to me that if the pirates are operating from larger vessels in international waters (or not), why don't we go after the larger motherships? They should be that hard to identify. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Edgar" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... Joe wrote in news:91c5321d-00c1-4fe9-a136- : The Captain is in a lifeboat surrounded by half a dozen 50 cal. machine guns. I just read the lifeboat was out of fuel.... I just read they have enough food for a week. No way these pirates are going home any time soon. "Turn over the Captain to us, and we'll let you live. Don't turn him over to us, and we'll see you all in hell. Sorry, Cap'n." New rule: From this day forward, any vessel approaching and attempting to board a US flagged ship without authorization will be met with deadly force. We will NOT tolerate pirates, and we will NOT take prisoners. |
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On Apr 9, 3:12*pm, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
"Edgar" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message .. . Joe wrote in news:91c5321d-00c1-4fe9-a136- : The Captain is in a lifeboat surrounded by half a dozen 50 cal. machine guns. I just read the lifeboat was out of fuel.... I just read they have enough food for a week. No way these pirates are going home any time soon. "Turn over the Captain to us, and we'll let you live. Don't turn him over to us, and we'll see you all in hell. Sorry, Cap'n." Seal bait around 03:30 would be my guess. Joe |
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KLC Lewis wrote:
"Edgar" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... Joe wrote in news:91c5321d-00c1-4fe9-a136- : The Captain is in a lifeboat surrounded by half a dozen 50 cal. machine guns. I just read the lifeboat was out of fuel.... I just read they have enough food for a week. No way these pirates are going home any time soon. "Turn over the Captain to us, and we'll let you live. Don't turn him over to us, and we'll see you all in hell. Sorry, Cap'n." New rule: From this day forward, any vessel approaching and attempting to board a US flagged ship without authorization will be met with deadly force. We will NOT tolerate pirates, and we will NOT take prisoners. Following several centuries of tradition, they could carry Marines... Come to think of it, that's not a bad idea - especially for US flagged cruse ships. Think of the stories passengers could tell when they get home! Richard |
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"Gogarty" wrote in message ... These aren't Q ships we are dealing with. They are run-of-the-mill rattletrap fishing boats. They don't fly the Jolly Roger. India did take one out if I recall correctly. Task some of our spy satellites with monitoring ocean activities in the affected region. Speedboats being serviced by "rattletrap fishing boats" hundreds of miles from Somalia can be considered a "smoking gun." Both the speedboats and the "rattletrap fishing boats" should be blown out of the water. We've bombed villages in Iraq, Pakistan and Afganistan with less evidence. |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Following several centuries of tradition, they could carry Marines... Come to think of it, that's not a bad idea - especially for US flagged cruse ships. Think of the stories passengers could tell when they get home! Richard Now that is a dandy idea. What would it take -- a platoon for each ship? Like as not it would be considered a pretty cushy gig. |
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On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:36:09 -0500, cavelamb
wrote: KLC Lewis wrote: "Edgar" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... Joe wrote in news:91c5321d-00c1-4fe9-a136- : The Captain is in a lifeboat surrounded by half a dozen 50 cal. machine guns. I just read the lifeboat was out of fuel.... I just read they have enough food for a week. No way these pirates are going home any time soon. "Turn over the Captain to us, and we'll let you live. Don't turn him over to us, and we'll see you all in hell. Sorry, Cap'n." New rule: From this day forward, any vessel approaching and attempting to board a US flagged ship without authorization will be met with deadly force. We will NOT tolerate pirates, and we will NOT take prisoners. Following several centuries of tradition, they could carry Marines... "...said using U.S.-fagged (sic) ships with American crews was rare..." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30103371/page/2 Come to think of it, that's not a bad idea - especially for US flagged cruse ships. Think of the stories passengers could tell when they get home! Richard |
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"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... "...said using U.S.-fagged (sic) ships with American crews was rare..." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30103371/page/2 A freudian slip, perhaps? Certainly changes the thrust of that article. ;-) |
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On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:45:43 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message .. . "...said using U.S.-fagged (sic) ships with American crews was rare..." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30103371/page/2 A freudian slip, perhaps? Certainly changes the thrust of that article. ;-) You only need to find a few gay marines.. |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et... "Gogarty" wrote in message ... These aren't Q ships we are dealing with. They are run-of-the-mill rattletrap fishing boats. They don't fly the Jolly Roger. India did take one out if I recall correctly. Task some of our spy satellites with monitoring ocean activities in the affected region. Speedboats being serviced by "rattletrap fishing boats" hundreds of miles from Somalia can be considered a "smoking gun." Both the speedboats and the "rattletrap fishing boats" should be blown out of the water. We've bombed villages in Iraq, Pakistan and Afganistan with less evidence. Why don't we use the unmanned drones? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... Why don't we use the unmanned drones? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Drones aren't very good at separating good guys from bad guys. As a matter of principle, I am opposed to using robots to kill people. Even pirates. |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... Why don't we use the unmanned drones? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Drones aren't very good at separating good guys from bad guys. As a matter of principle, I am opposed to using robots to kill people. Even pirates. I think they would do just fine to at least spot the bad guys. As someone else said, all you have to do is observe a ratty fishing boat with speedboats in attendance. Let the Navy take it from there. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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The Somalis have a perfect record against the US when a Democrat is
president. Do you actually believe Obama will set the rules of engagement so that these poor, under privileged Somalis will be killed? Don't forget the US Navy was repulsed by a throng of Haitian women while Clinton was president. I bet those Somalis will recieve TARP money, healthcare and a free college education all at the expense of the US taxpayer after they kill or injure the captain. The US lost in Somalia under Clinton and will probably surrender and pay reparations under the spineless Obama. |
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Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:45:43 -0500, "KLC Lewis" wrote: "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... "...said using U.S.-fagged (sic) ships with American crews was rare..." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30103371/page/2 A freudian slip, perhaps? Certainly changes the thrust of that article. ;-) You only need to find a few gay marines.. You could get really really hurt talking like that in real life... |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... Why don't we use the unmanned drones? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Drones aren't very good at separating good guys from bad guys. As a matter of principle, I am opposed to using robots to kill people. Even pirates. I think they would do just fine to at least spot the bad guys. As someone else said, all you have to do is observe a ratty fishing boat with speedboats in attendance. Let the Navy take it from there. Observation drones are small and cheap, but don't carry weapons. ARMED UAVs are a different thing entirely - neither small nor cheap! |
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On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:58:10 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message reasolutions... Why don't we use the unmanned drones? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Drones aren't very good at separating good guys from bad guys. As a matter of principle, I am opposed to using robots to kill people. Even pirates. What drones. I don't believe there are any over there. There are some RPV, remotely piloted vehicles, with a human operator who can tell right from wrong. Just look for ladders in small boats. Casady |
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"cavelamb" skrev i melding
m... KLC Lewis wrote: "Edgar" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... Joe wrote in news:91c5321d-00c1-4fe9-a136- : The Captain is in a lifeboat surrounded by half a dozen 50 cal. machine guns. I just read the lifeboat was out of fuel.... I just read they have enough food for a week. No way these pirates are going home any time soon. "Turn over the Captain to us, and we'll let you live. Don't turn him over to us, and we'll see you all in hell. Sorry, Cap'n." New rule: From this day forward, any vessel approaching and attempting to board a US flagged ship without authorization will be met with deadly force. We will NOT tolerate pirates, and we will NOT take prisoners. Following several centuries of tradition, they could carry Marines... Come to think of it, that's not a bad idea - especially for US flagged cruse ships. Think of the stories passengers could tell when they get home! Richard Bad idea! The Marines have been chased away by the Somalis before! |
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KLC Lewis wrote:
"Edgar" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... Joe wrote in news:91c5321d-00c1-4fe9-a136- : The Captain is in a lifeboat surrounded by half a dozen 50 cal. machine guns. I just read the lifeboat was out of fuel.... I just read they have enough food for a week. No way these pirates are going home any time soon. "Turn over the Captain to us, and we'll let you live. Don't turn him over to us, and we'll see you all in hell. Sorry, Cap'n." New rule: From this day forward, any vessel approaching and attempting to board a US flagged ship without authorization will be met with deadly force. We will NOT tolerate pirates, and we will NOT take prisoners. Not with this administration! G |
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cavelamb wrote:
Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:45:43 -0500, "KLC Lewis" wrote: "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... "...said using U.S.-fagged (sic) ships with American crews was rare..." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30103371/page/2 A freudian slip, perhaps? Certainly changes the thrust of that article. ;-) You only need to find a few gay marines.. You could get really really hurt talking like that in real life... Not with this administration! G |
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"Gordon" wrote in message m... cavelamb wrote: Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:45:43 -0500, "KLC Lewis" wrote: "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... "...said using U.S.-fagged (sic) ships with American crews was rare..." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30103371/page/2 A freudian slip, perhaps? Certainly changes the thrust of that article. ;-) You only need to find a few gay marines.. You could get really really hurt talking like that in real life... Not with this administration! G If by that you mean that this administration would not condone responding to words with violence, I would tend to agree. Isn't that a good thing? |
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:21:14 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote: "Gordon" wrote in message om... cavelamb wrote: Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:45:43 -0500, "KLC Lewis" wrote: "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... "...said using U.S.-fagged (sic) ships with American crews was rare..." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30103371/page/2 A freudian slip, perhaps? Certainly changes the thrust of that article. ;-) You only need to find a few gay marines.. You could get really really hurt talking like that in real life... Not with this administration! G If by that you mean that this administration would not condone responding to words with violence, I would tend to agree. Isn't that a good thing? Don't worry, I have done my homework.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2syY12OPkwI |
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Gordon wrote:
cavelamb wrote: Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:45:43 -0500, "KLC Lewis" wrote: "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... "...said using U.S.-fagged (sic) ships with American crews was rare..." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30103371/page/2 A freudian slip, perhaps? Certainly changes the thrust of that article. ;-) You only need to find a few gay marines.. You could get really really hurt talking like that in real life... Not with this administration! G It's not about politics. Anybody talking like that around a few marines - politics won't matter at all... |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Gordon wrote: cavelamb wrote: Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:45:43 -0500, "KLC Lewis" wrote: "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... "...said using U.S.-fagged (sic) ships with American crews was rare..." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30103371/page/2 A freudian slip, perhaps? Certainly changes the thrust of that article. ;-) You only need to find a few gay marines.. You could get really really hurt talking like that in real life... Not with this administration! G It's not about politics. Anybody talking like that around a few marines - politics won't matter at all... Ya, especially if the Marines actually happen to be gay. |
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KLC Lewis wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Gordon wrote: cavelamb wrote: Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:45:43 -0500, "KLC Lewis" wrote: "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... "...said using U.S.-fagged (sic) ships with American crews was rare..." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30103371/page/2 A freudian slip, perhaps? Certainly changes the thrust of that article. ;-) You only need to find a few gay marines.. You could get really really hurt talking like that in real life... Not with this administration! G It's not about politics. Anybody talking like that around a few marines - politics won't matter at all... Ya, especially if the Marines actually happen to be gay. Ok, Wilbur... |
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Joe wrote:
On Apr 9, 3:12 pm, "KLC Lewis" wrote: "Edgar" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... Joe wrote in news:91c5321d-00c1-4fe9-a136- : The Captain is in a lifeboat surrounded by half a dozen 50 cal. machine guns. I just read the lifeboat was out of fuel.... I just read they have enough food for a week. No way these pirates are going home any time soon. "Turn over the Captain to us, and we'll let you live. Don't turn him over to us, and we'll see you all in hell. Sorry, Cap'n." Seal bait around 03:30 would be my guess. Joe Isn't happening Joe, now the pirates are moving some of their "hostage ships" to help out. The Capt. escaped, jumped over board, but was recaptured, all while the Navy looked on. One wonders what the hell is going on. Read the story he http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D97FLOO00.html Cheers Martin |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message ... Ok, Wilbur... Wilbur? You know better than that. If your position is that there is no such thing as a gay Marine, you are exceptionally naive. |
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Gogarty wrote in
: Have you seen what the Press calls speed boats? These aren't ChrisCrafts. Put a big enugh engine on a dory and it's a speed boat. Seals swim in from sub at 0300 local and quietly burn 1" hole in bottom of lifeboat then simply swim away. Panic ensues as lifeboat sinks for unknown reasons. As pirates swim away Seals simply sink them one at a time, saving ears, of course, like they did in 'Nam, all filmed by special Aljazeera news crew with infrared cams offered free by US gummit to show other pirates with sat TV/internet back on land. When last pirate jumps overboard Seals waiting under lifeboat inflate floatation ring before tied up captain drowns inside lifeboat. I bet Seals have underwater torches you can't even hear burning steel right in front of you. Taxpayers probably paid $10,000 each for them....dammit. If you think CIA spooks are scary, it's because you've never met a real US Navy SEAL. SEALs present ears to astonished Aljazeera on-camera talking head while staring into camera telling others watching their ear collection needs expanding.... This place would make a great "practice zone" for testing and training. Someone ashore knows who these pirates are and what boats they use. SEALS could take them out and noone would have any idea who it was. A tax on shipping companies to pay for it would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath.... |
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Shoot them in the head. Whats the problem, I don't see how the
pirates should beable to get with in a 1000 yards. Being military trained, give me a rife (50cal) and the pirates would get one chance not to get within a 1000 yard range. I can't see how hard this is, yes I saw the news reports were the ships carry oil and other flamable material and worry about fire arms aboard ship , but if your going in area waters where this has happened 50 times this year. where is the commen sense? Yes I'm more then willing to join a crew at this time just to deal with this problem. |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... Gogarty wrote in : Have you seen what the Press calls speed boats? These aren't ChrisCrafts. Put a big enugh engine on a dory and it's a speed boat. Seals swim in from sub at 0300 local and quietly burn 1" hole in bottom of lifeboat then simply swim away. Panic ensues as lifeboat sinks for unknown reasons. As pirates swim away Seals simply sink them one at a time, saving ears, of course, like they did in 'Nam, all filmed by special Aljazeera news crew with infrared cams offered free by US gummit to show other pirates with sat TV/internet back on land. When last pirate jumps overboard Seals waiting under lifeboat inflate floatation ring before tied up captain drowns inside lifeboat. I bet Seals have underwater torches you can't even hear burning steel right in front of you. Taxpayers probably paid $10,000 each for them....dammit. If you think CIA spooks are scary, it's because you've never met a real US Navy SEAL. SEALs present ears to astonished Aljazeera on-camera talking head while staring into camera telling others watching their ear collection needs expanding.... This place would make a great "practice zone" for testing and training. Someone ashore knows who these pirates are and what boats they use. SEALS could take them out and noone would have any idea who it was. A tax on shipping companies to pay for it would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath.... I'd suggest that they don't burn all the way through the hull. Just get it very thin in several places. Shouldn't take long for it to go. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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wrote: Shoot them in the head. Whats the problem, I don't see how the pirates should beable to get with in a 1000 yards. Being military trained, give me a rife (50cal) and the pirates would get one chance not to get within a 1000 yard range. I can't see how hard this is, yes I saw the news reports were the ships carry oil and other flamable material and worry about fire arms aboard ship , but if your going in area waters where this has happened 50 times this year. where is the commen sense? Yes I'm more then willing to join a crew at this time just to deal with this problem. Major problems with firearms on commercial vessels trying to get in and out of port without extensive delays for firm arm inspections, approvals, etc. OTOH, a couple of 1,000 HP Cummins diesels hooked up to fore and aft located fire pumps with 1,500 GPM output thru a 6"-8" nozzle is a whole "nuther" kettle of fish. Lew |
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:36:24 +0000, Larry wrote:
Seals swim in from sub at 0300 local and quietly burn 1" hole in bottom of lifeboat then simply swim away. Panic ensues as lifeboat sinks for unknown reasons. Bull****. Lifeboats are unsinkable, will float when full of water. I crossed the atlantic, bed about fifteen feet from a lifeboat, and got a good look at it. Talked to the crew as well. Lowering gear is pretty complicated. They make a point of telling the passengers that there are two lifeboat seats per person. They don't tell you that if the ship has a fair list, you maybe can only launch half of them. Casady |
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