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Richard Casady wrote in
:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:36:24 +0000, Larry wrote:

Seals swim in from sub at 0300 local and quietly burn 1" hole in
bottom of lifeboat then simply swim away. Panic ensues as lifeboat
sinks for unknown reasons.

Bull****. Lifeboats are unsinkable, will float when full of water. I
crossed the atlantic, bed about fifteen feet from a lifeboat, and got
a good look at it. Talked to the crew as well. Lowering gear is pretty
complicated. They make a point of telling the passengers that there
are two lifeboat seats per person. They don't tell you that if the
ship has a fair list, you maybe can only launch half of them.

Casady


Do you think pirates already confronted with 5"-38 guns whos adrenaline
level just barely is below the cardiac arrest stage will know this handy
bit of information as their feet get wet with the rising water? Or will
they try to flee the sinking boat, the adrenaline driving them temporarily
out of control just long enough for the SEALS to make their moves?

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:36:24 +0000, Larry wrote:

I bet Seals have underwater torches you can't even hear burning steel right
in front of you.

Lifeboats are plastic not steel. They used to be wood, not steel. The
people who sell them have websites. They still make open ones for the
smallest ships. They don't all look like a jelly bean, some even have
a mast and sail instead of an engine. They still teach sailing at the
merchant marine schools because of this. The powered ones have fuel
for 300 miles. Wm Bligh covered 4000 miles with a sail. He wrote a
book, by the way, published in paperback.

Casady

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:31:29 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


wrote:

Shoot them in the head. Whats the problem, I don't see how the
pirates should beable to get with in a 1000 yards.

Being military trained, give me a rife (50cal) and the pirates would
get one chance not to get within a 1000 yard range. I can't see
how
hard this is, yes I saw the news reports were the ships carry oil
and
other flamable material and worry about fire arms aboard ship , but
if
your going in area waters where this has happened 50 times this
year.
where is the commen sense?

Yes I'm more then willing to join a crew at this time just to deal
with this problem.

Major problems with firearms on commercial vessels trying to get in
and out of port without extensive delays for firm arm inspections,
approvals, etc.

OTOH, a couple of 1,000 HP Cummins diesels hooked up to fore and aft
located fire pumps with 1,500 GPM output thru a 6"-8" nozzle is a
whole "nuther" kettle of fish.

You are grossly underestimating the flow per HP. Our jet boat got
about that much flow with a modest flathead six. Ask your local
fireman about flow per hp, and nozzle sizes, and scale it to whatever
size you want. You are correct in think that a high velocity jet of
water can be a effective weapon.

Casady

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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:25:11 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I'd suggest that they don't burn all the way through the hull. Just get it
very thin in several places. Shouldn't take long for it to go.

I dare you to try to thin the hull of an unsinkable fiberglass boat
with a torch. Ever use one?

Casady

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:30:46 +0000, Larry wrote:

Do you think pirates already confronted with 5"-38 guns

The last ships with 5in38 guns were the Iowa class battleships.

Casady

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"Richard Casady" wrote:

You are grossly underestimating the flow per HP.

Details.

When the project becomes funded is the time for engineering.

Lew

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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...

"Richard Casady" wrote:

You are grossly underestimating the flow per HP.

Details.

When the project becomes funded is the time for engineering.

Lew

I would recommend that the project be entitled, "Firefighting apparatus for
seagoing vessels."

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In article ,
Richard Casady wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:36:24 +0000, Larry wrote:

Seals swim in from sub at 0300 local and quietly burn 1" hole in bottom of
lifeboat then simply swim away. Panic ensues as lifeboat sinks for unknown
reasons.

Bull****. Lifeboats are unsinkable, will float when full of water. I
crossed the atlantic, bed about fifteen feet from a lifeboat, and got
a good look at it. Talked to the crew as well. Lowering gear is pretty
complicated. They make a point of telling the passengers that there
are two lifeboat seats per person. They don't tell you that if the
ship has a fair list, you maybe can only launch half of them.

Casady

Bull**** is right..... This a "LifeRaft" inflatable and is of Rubberized
Cloth Construction. Navy Seals could do a very slick job on this rescue.
I was VERY surprised that the Navy was NOT paying attention when the
skipper jumped overboard, and didn't shoot the raft you once he had left
the LifeRaft. Some really "Screwed the Pouch" for missing that.... The
Navy should bring a Seal Team to the area, and launch them from a Nuke
Sub, 50 feet blow the raft. Put a small hole in the Air Chambers of the
raft, from below, and then pull the pirates underwater,as they abandon
the raft. The pirates weapons are useless underwater, so the Seals would
be in Full Control of the situation, and then have the Sub just surface
right under the sinking raft.... This isn't Rocket Science, and IS a
practiced senerio that Seals train for....

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"You" wrote in message
...

Bull**** is right..... This a "LifeRaft" inflatable and is of Rubberized
Cloth Construction. Navy Seals could do a very slick job on this rescue.
I was VERY surprised that the Navy was NOT paying attention when the
skipper jumped overboard, and didn't shoot the raft you once he had left
the LifeRaft. Some really "Screwed the Pouch" for missing that.... The
Navy should bring a Seal Team to the area, and launch them from a Nuke
Sub, 50 feet blow the raft. Put a small hole in the Air Chambers of the
raft, from below, and then pull the pirates underwater,as they abandon
the raft. The pirates weapons are useless underwater, so the Seals would
be in Full Control of the situation, and then have the Sub just surface
right under the sinking raft.... This isn't Rocket Science, and IS a
practiced senerio that Seals train for....

Most, if not all, Naval vessels have qualified divers aboard. I don't know
that your scenario is exactly correct, but in general, I would agree with
it. I would leave the details of the operation to the experts on the
scene -- but I WOULD demand that the situation be dealt with and the pirates
eliminated.

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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:25:11 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I'd suggest that they don't burn all the way through the hull. Just get it
very thin in several places. Shouldn't take long for it to go.

I dare you to try to thin the hull of an unsinkable fiberglass boat
with a torch. Ever use one?

Casady


I think that would be perfect!

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The combined ignorance of this group is appalling!

1. The orange lifeboat in question is unsinkable, in whole or in pieces.

2. The only time Ganz ever used a blowtorch was for a crackpipe.

3. The 5"38 was outmoded a long time ago. Current use is 5"54 which is also
being phased out and replaced by http://www.navysite.de/weapons/mk-45.htm
which is loaded with mistakes. Perhaps and expert in naval gunnery, other
than myself would be so kind to correct the mistakes.

4. 50 cal shoulder rifle on a ship? Not likely since there are other much
more effective and accurate things already in place.
http://www.navysite.de/weapons/mk-38.htm



They only way to deal with the pirates, as a master mariner such as myself
would know, is to have a nuclear submarine surface right below the lifeboat,
lift it out of the water and then let the fun begin!

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:14:49 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...

"Richard Casady" wrote:

You are grossly underestimating the flow per HP.

Details.

When the project becomes funded is the time for engineering.

Lew

I would recommend that the project be entitled, "Firefighting apparatus for
seagoing vessels."

When they were getting all the placer gold in California, they would
build dams upstream with pipelines to large nozzles, I think bigger
than anything ever used for fire fighting. They would wash every bit
of sand and gravel in a canyon downstream into the sluices. Also all
the soil and vegetation. They had the mineral rights, meaning the
right to **** it up for thousands of years to come. There is a
fountain in Arizona the puts the water up 560 feet. The ultimate
nozzle. And they think handguns are dick substitutes, but whatever.

Casady

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"Sal Monella" wrote in
:

They only way to deal with the pirates, as a master mariner such as
myself would know, is to have a nuclear submarine surface right below
the lifeboat, lift it out of the water and then let the fun begin!




And do we blame your infinite wisdom for the dead captain and let you tell
his wife how stupid we were to have killed him, oh mighty master mariner,
or is that baiter?

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:


"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...

"Richard Casady" wrote:

You are grossly underestimating the flow per HP.

Details.

When the project becomes funded is the time for engineering.

Lew

I would recommend that the project be entitled, "Firefighting
apparatus for seagoing vessels."



Don't forget we need to put GLOBAL WARMING both in the title and in the
main body text to get funded 100%, now.

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You wrote:
In article ,
Richard Casady wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:36:24 +0000, Larry wrote:

Seals swim in from sub at 0300 local and quietly burn 1" hole in bottom of
lifeboat then simply swim away. Panic ensues as lifeboat sinks for unknown
reasons.
Bull****. Lifeboats are unsinkable, will float when full of water. I
crossed the atlantic, bed about fifteen feet from a lifeboat, and got
a good look at it. Talked to the crew as well. Lowering gear is pretty
complicated. They make a point of telling the passengers that there
are two lifeboat seats per person. They don't tell you that if the
ship has a fair list, you maybe can only launch half of them.

Casady

Bull**** is right..... This a "LifeRaft" inflatable and is of Rubberized
Cloth Construction.

Wrong. Do go and get some more accurate information. This is a
completely enclosed SOLAS lifeboat, fiberglass, food for many days, a
couple of days worth of fuel, launched from a railway at the stern of
the ship....


Cheers
Martin

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Sal Monella wrote:



They only way to deal with the pirates, as a master mariner such as myself
would know, is to have a nuclear submarine surface right below the lifeboat,
lift it out of the water and then let the fun begin!


Excellent idea Gilly! To bad the Capt. would have to be sacrificed, but
the good of the many outweighs the good of the few. Take the whole
lot out, send a few boys in with Warthogs and waste anything along the
shore, likely as not they're all terrorists anyway.

Cheers
Martin

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:58:43 GMT, You wrote:

In article ,
Richard Casady wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:36:24 +0000, Larry wrote:

Seals swim in from sub at 0300 local and quietly burn 1" hole in bottom of
lifeboat then simply swim away. Panic ensues as lifeboat sinks for unknown
reasons.

Bull****. Lifeboats are unsinkable, will float when full of water. I
crossed the atlantic, bed about fifteen feet from a lifeboat, and got
a good look at it. Talked to the crew as well. Lowering gear is pretty
complicated. They make a point of telling the passengers that there
are two lifeboat seats per person. They don't tell you that if the
ship has a fair list, you maybe can only launch half of them.

Casady

Bull**** is right..... This a "LifeRaft" inflatable and is of Rubberized
Cloth Construction. Navy Seals could do a very slick job on this rescue.
I was VERY surprised that the Navy was NOT paying attention when the
skipper jumped overboard, and didn't shoot the raft you once he had left
the LifeRaft. Some really "Screwed the Pouch" for missing that.... The
Navy should bring a Seal Team to the area, and launch them from a Nuke
Sub, 50 feet blow the raft. Put a small hole in the Air Chambers of the
raft, from below, and then pull the pirates underwater,as they abandon
the raft. The pirates weapons are useless underwater, so the Seals would
be in Full Control of the situation, and then have the Sub just surface
right under the sinking raft.... This isn't Rocket Science, and IS a
practiced senerio that Seals train for....

That kind of ship has boats not rafts. Something called SOLAS. Little
things like a sailing rig or an engine and 300 miles worth of fuel.
You are the first to say it is a raft. Wonder why. Standard equipment
is two boats on davits, or one freefall boat in a launching rack at
the stern. They make a special model for tankers, so they say at the
lifeboat company website. You can see for yourself at the Panama Canal
webcams. www.pancanal.com

A quick copy and paste from a quick Google:

Washington - The lifeboat that Somali pirates are using to hold a US
cargo ship captain abducted from his vessel has apparently run out of
fuel, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Thursday.

Clinton is a lying sack of ****, but I will take her word over yours
this time.

Casady

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On Apr 11, 5:28*pm, Martin wrote:
You wrote:
In article ,
*Richard Casady wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:36:24 +0000, Larry wrote:

Seals swim in from sub at 0300 local and quietly burn 1" hole in bottom of
lifeboat then simply swim away. *Panic ensues as lifeboat sinks for unknown
reasons.
Bull****. Lifeboats are unsinkable, will float when full of water. I
crossed the atlantic, bed about fifteen feet from a lifeboat, and got
a good look at it. Talked to the crew as well. Lowering gear is pretty
complicated. They make a point of telling the passengers that there
are two lifeboat seats per person. They don't tell you that if the
ship has a fair list, you maybe can only launch half of them.

Casady

Bull**** is right..... This a "LifeRaft" inflatable and is of Rubberized
Cloth Construction.

Wrong. *Do go and get some more accurate information. *This is a
completely enclosed SOLAS lifeboat, fiberglass, food for many days, a
couple of days worth of fuel, launched from a railway at the stern of
the ship....

Cheers
Martin- Hide quoted text -

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Thats Right Martin
Here is the boat picture
http://imgsrv.wbz.com/image/wbz/User...oat(karen).jpg

Since his escape was botched, you can bet they have him hog tied
below, forward.

Thermal camera and 3 quick shots from a drone is my vote. Not
politically correct.
The pirates are victims of poverty, social outcasts that need
understanding not agression, and a positive role model .

100 degrees, no fuel, no help..... just sit it out is the best option
now. They have to be miserable. It would be a good time to start
blasting some annoying music 24-7, searchlight, buzzing with helos
sonar pings...ect..ect....

Your not going to drill a hole in one, or surface a sub under
one...ect.
Out lasting them will be easy.

Joe

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"Martin" wrote in message
...

To bad the Capt. would have to be sacrificed, but
the good of the many outweighs the good of the few.

Why do you think the Capt chose to be in the predicament he's in, rather
than the whole crew?

Why didn't those well-fed Union workers over power the 4 starving Africans?

I bet if those pirates crossed a picket line they would be dead by now.

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:28:08 -0400, Martin
wrote:

Wrong. Do go and get some more accurate information. This is a
completely enclosed SOLAS lifeboat, fiberglass, food for many days, a
couple of days worth of fuel, launched from a railway at the stern of
the ship....

You can see these freefall boats on the ships at the Miraflores Locks,
the Panama Canal. They have webcams. I thought it might be a freefall
boat since you pull a trigger to launch one, not lower it on cables.
Much quicker and easier when the **** is in the fan.

http://www.pancanal.com/common/multi...flores-hi.html

The lighting in the morning is best. In the late afternoon the sun
shines into the lens, and the autoexposure averages things, leaving
everything but the sky too dark.

Casady

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Joe wrote in
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http://imgsrv.wbz.com/image/wbz/User...ages/mass_mari
time_raftboat(karen).jpg


Wouldn't it be great to just find one of those bobbing about 40 miles
offshore lost overboard by some bungling crewmember off a containership?

There was one cruising around Charleston Harbor last Summer and I so wanted
to get a ride in it....What a neat boat!

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Joe wrote in news:46036b84-c7ab-4081-a82d-
:

sonar pings

Now there's where a passing fast attack sub could be of assistance...25 ft
under the keel.....one sonar faces UP!

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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:54:30 +0000, Larry wrote:

Joe wrote in
:

http://imgsrv.wbz.com/image/wbz/User...ages/mass_mari
time_raftboat(karen).jpg


Wouldn't it be great to just find one of those bobbing about 40 miles
offshore lost overboard by some bungling crewmember off a containership?

There was one cruising around Charleston Harbor last Summer and I so wanted
to get a ride in it....What a neat boat!

I kinda like this one
http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...px?NewsID=3275

--Vic

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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:54:30 +0000, Larry wrote:

Joe wrote in
:

http://imgsrv.wbz.com/image/wbz/User...ages/mass_mari
time_raftboat(karen).jpg


Wouldn't it be great to just find one of those bobbing about 40 miles
offshore lost overboard by some bungling crewmember off a containership?

There was one cruising around Charleston Harbor last Summer and I so wanted
to get a ride in it....What a neat boat!

The tenders on the cruise ships look just like the lifeboats on the
outside. They have bigger engines and radar with a retractable
antenna.

Casady

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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:14:49 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...

"Richard Casady" wrote:

You are grossly underestimating the flow per HP.

Details.

When the project becomes funded is the time for engineering.

Lew

I would recommend that the project be entitled, "Firefighting apparatus
for
seagoing vessels."

When they were getting all the placer gold in California, they would
build dams upstream with pipelines to large nozzles, I think bigger
than anything ever used for fire fighting. They would wash every bit
of sand and gravel in a canyon downstream into the sluices. Also all
the soil and vegetation. They had the mineral rights, meaning the
right to **** it up for thousands of years to come. There is a
fountain in Arizona the puts the water up 560 feet. The ultimate
nozzle. And they think handguns are dick substitutes, but whatever.

Casady


http://www.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=494


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"KLC Lewis" skrev i melding
et...

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...

"Richard Casady" wrote:

You are grossly underestimating the flow per HP.

Details.

When the project becomes funded is the time for engineering.

Lew

I would recommend that the project be entitled, "Firefighting apparatus
for seagoing vessels."


Actually the success rate for the pirates is about 40%, and several attempts
has been avoided by the use of fire fighting canons.
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle2642781.ece
http://www.javno.com/en-world/chines...-cannon_216005

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"Martin" wrote in message
...

I heard this story break on the BBC World service early this morning, that
Somali pirates had hijacked a US flagged container ship and after a battle
lasting several hours had taken the ship,,,

Then on the way home this afternoon I hear on NPR that the American crew
had taken the ship back, but not the captain...

http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D97EG5800.html

I wonder what happened, did the Americans, sick of terrorist jerks taking
whatever they want say "Enough, we're not going to roll over like a bunch
of underpaid Filipinos." "We're UNION, and no non-union crew is gonna run
this boat" :-)

Cheers
Martin


Looks like the capt. was freed, three of the four pirates was killed. Not
sure of the details....

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...

Looks like the capt. was freed, three of the four pirates was killed. Not
sure of the details....

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Swift rescue operation left three of the Somali captors dead
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30178013/

All in all, I'd say Obama handled this fairly well. Took his time and
dawdled a bit, but in the end he handled it well.

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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:18:24 -0500, KLC Lewis wrote:


All in all, I'd say Obama handled this fairly well. Took his time and
dawdled a bit, but in the end he handled it well.

I'm certain he'll sleep well tonight knowing he has your approval

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...

Looks like the capt. was freed, three of the four pirates was killed. Not
sure of the details....

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Swift rescue operation left three of the Somali captors dead
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30178013/

All in all, I'd say Obama handled this fairly well. Took his time and
dawdled a bit, but in the end he handled it well.




I think he likes to think before he acts (and talks).

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Capt. JG wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...
"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
Looks like the capt. was freed, three of the four pirates was killed. Not
sure of the details....

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www.sailnow.com
Swift rescue operation left three of the Somali captors dead
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30178013/

All in all, I'd say Obama handled this fairly well. Took his time and
dawdled a bit, but in the end he handled it well.




I think he likes to think before he acts (and talks).


Well, I voted against him, but I'll take my hat off to him today.
Well done all...

Richard

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"mr.b" wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:18:24 -0500, KLC Lewis wrote:


All in all, I'd say Obama handled this fairly well. Took his time and
dawdled a bit, but in the end he handled it well.

I'm certain he'll sleep well tonight knowing he has your approval

As my approval is all that matters, I'm sure you are right.

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"cavelamb" wrote:

Well, I voted against him, but I'll take my hat off to him today.
Well done all...

Really?

Didn't realize you could vote against some one.

Thought you could only vote FOR someone.

Lew

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"cavelamb" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...
"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
Looks like the capt. was freed, three of the four pirates was killed.
Not sure of the details....

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com
Swift rescue operation left three of the Somali captors dead
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30178013/

All in all, I'd say Obama handled this fairly well. Took his time and
dawdled a bit, but in the end he handled it well.




I think he likes to think before he acts (and talks).


Well, I voted against him, but I'll take my hat off to him today.
Well done all...

Richard


Resistance is futile...


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Lew Hodgett wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote:

Well, I voted against him, but I'll take my hat off to him today.
Well done all...

Really?

Didn't realize you could vote against some one.

Thought you could only vote FOR someone.

Lew


It's been that way for near on 50 years, Lew.

Whichever one scares ya most, vote for the other guy...

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"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

Looks like the capt. was freed, three of the four pirates was killed.
Not sure of the details....


Cap'n is enjoying Navy Chow from the Wardroom and is unharmed.

3 of 4 pirates dead. (They musta saved one to "encourage" him to rat out
the shore facilities pirates are using before they toss him overboard
further out to sea.)

Maersk said "NO!" when I asked 'em if I could have the lifeboat.....dammit.

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cavelamb wrote in news:U8-dneNYjop_wn_UnZ2dnUVZ_q-
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Well, I voted against him, but I'll take my hat off to him today.
Well done all...

Richard



Also on a happy note, that former child actor that killed Mr and Mrs Hawkes
by tying their feet to an anchor then tossing them overboard was sentenced
to DEATH in California in his attempt to steal their $500K boat. That's on
Google News, too.

For marine interests, it's been a fairly good news day.

There was, of course, another hijacking off Somalia to report....

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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:8ztEl.480$WK5.1
@nwrddc01.gnilink.net:

Really?

Didn't realize you could vote against some one.

Thought you could only vote FOR someone.

Lew




What's wrong with the voting machines, other then they have been hacked and
report who the zionist elite wants as the winner no matter how you vote, is
they have no square for NONE OF THE ABOVE or VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE that
would, if the hacks fail, require new candidates across the board.....

Americans still run under the foolish perception that their vote actually
gets counted on computerized voting machines ALREADY proven to be easily
hacked:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vvq_YseZVc

I was going to send you to itpolicy.princeton.edu to read the documents
from this video, but all references to this finding have mysteriously
disappeared.

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"Larry" wrote in message
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cavelamb wrote in
news:U8-dneNYjop_wn_UnZ2dnUVZ_q-
:

Well, I voted against him, but I'll take my hat off to him today.
Well done all...

Richard



Also on a happy note, that former child actor that killed Mr and Mrs
Hawkes
by tying their feet to an anchor then tossing them overboard was sentenced
to DEATH in California in his attempt to steal their $500K boat. That's
on
Google News, too.

For marine interests, it's been a fairly good news day.

There was, of course, another hijacking off Somalia to report....



That sounds about right, and I'm opposed to the death penalty.

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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:8ztEl.480$WK5.1
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"cavelamb" wrote:

Well, I voted against him, but I'll take my hat off to him today.
Well done all...

Really?

Didn't realize you could vote against some one.

Thought you could only vote FOR someone.

Lew




Here's another voting machine company easily hacked:

http://citp.princeton.edu/voting/advantage/

New Jersey wanted their voting machines studied.....I don't think they
liked what Princeton found.