Subject: Magic Head
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From: (Rolf)
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Date: 7 Jul 2004 03:38:05 -0700
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Stephen Trapani wrote in message
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Well, I was going to wait until I tore things apart further to ask, but
I figured maybe someone would have an easy answer to save me some time.

Here's the punchline: When we use the head (a Groco Type K) and pump it
out, the waste comes out the holding tank vent line.

This seems impossible to me. First of all, the tank itself is empty and
regardless of which way I flip the Y valve the waste still comes out the
vent line, which is attached to a three inch screw in top, in the top of
the holding tank.

Here are some facts that may help: The water supply for the toilet is
the fresh water tank. The previous owners put a ball valve before the
head, when you turn it on, water comes in the toilet bowl, then you turn
it off/down while you pump out the bowl,etc, and leave it off until you
use the toilet again. Completely non-standard setup, I guess. I've been
working on other more important things, but this was going to be my
next, um job, sort of, but anyway the first thing I was going to try was
to open the seacock toilet waste valve. I haven't tried this yet though,
all this has been happening with that valve closed.

Also, waste slowly leaks from around the top of the tank, onto the top
of the tank either out of the vent line or from around the screw
fitting. Whenever I look there is a little puddle of waste on top of the
tank. Again this seems impossible. How does the waste even get there
when there seems to be none making into the tank and while there is
definitely none collecting in the tank itself. I'm very curious.

There are only three through hulls in the boat (H33), the raw water
intake for the Yanmar, the head discharge and the sink discharge. I
really don't want to haul out the boat to add one(budget problems).

So, um, guesses? solid answers? things I should check first? Directions
I should head to solve this?

Thanks!

Stephen

The only way this can happen is if the vent line goes to the bottom of
the tank. I assume you are very sure the tank is empty?

Rolf
If the tank was originally a recirculating head system and the PO decided fresh
water flush was nicer and capped the vent by mistake and hooked the vent up to
the recirculating line going to the bottom of the tank you would have the
problem you described. Check the tank and count the number of fittings on it.
recirculating tanks have 2 big lines and 2 small lines. If you have this and
one small line is capped just switch the small line for the small capped line
and try it out.

If the tank was originally a recirculating head system and the PO decided fresh
water flush was nicer and capped the vent by mistake and hooked the vent up to
the recirculating line going to the bottom of the tank you would have the
problem you described. Check the tank and count the number of fittings on it.
recirculating tanks have 2 big lines and 2 small lines. If you have this and
one small line is capped just switch the small line for the small capped line
and try it out.

Interesting thought, Rolf...but I don't THINK Hunter ever installed
those gawdawful recirculating systems. I've yet to hear of one anyway,
and I've been giving plumbing advice on the Hunter Owners site for more
than 5 years. All the builders who did install recirculating systems
used Raritan Compact toilets and either the Raritan the 5 gallon tank
that wraps around the bowl or a 5 gallon plastic tank made by
Kracor...the OEM toilets on 70s and early 80s Hunters were
Mansfield/SeaLand 751/752 manual toilets and their tanks were all aluminum.

But even if they did, it's unlikely the original tank would still be on
the boat. The toilet has definitely been replaced, and if the PO who did
that ever intended to use the tank, it would also have been replaced
with a larger one...'cuz once it was converted to use flush water
instead of recirculating waste water, a 5 gallon tank would fill up in a
day. It's also in the wrong location to have been part of a
recirculating system.

But as I said, it's a very interesting thought...I'm surprised anyone
today even knew that those systems ever existed.

--
Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://69.20.93.241/store/customer/p...40&cat=&page=1