"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Aragorn wrote:
It is a bit difficult to understand why they try to turf one guy out
of office for getting a blow job and don't even seem to notice when
another guy "legalizes" such things as torture and searches without a
warrant - things that you are preaching to the world are "human
rights".
All societies, including ours, consider it reasonable that some level of
criminal or enemy should lose many of their rights by virtue of
protecting society. When you find yourself defending the very lowest
scum of the earth, you should at least question the moral strength of
what you are arguing, shouldn't you?

It's not hard to understand when you remember that the both of those
things, the impeachment and the trashing of the constitution, were
being done by the same party. As for no one noticing, the Republicans
have built a huge propaganda machine called conservative Talk Radio.
It's running as background noise 24 hours a day out there in the
hinterlands filling the pickup trucks, hardware stores, and autobody
shops with a constant and subliminal stream of lies and propaganda.
You wouldn't recognize the country if you came back. This poison,
which is the only source of "news" that a huge proportion of the
country (aka "The Republican Base), pays any attention to, is like the
public loudspeakers in North Korea.
Yeah, finally (during the Clinton era), instead of overwhelming numbers
on the side of liberally biased media, the right got their little corner
of the media pie and are doing well at carrying an audience. They are
still in the minority though. It does seem that people tend to restrict
themselves exclusively to the biased news that they favor, like you say,
but you are totally wrong about conservative media being anyone's only
choice for news. Not even close. My lefty friends pretty much never
watch or listen to conservative media. Oh how they love MSNBC and Rachel
Maddow, who is really about as biased as it gets.

If the media is liberally biased, by which I think you mean left-biased,
then how can they have "their little corner" that is "still in the
minority"? Either the media is left-biased or it isn't. Do you consider
Rush's millions of ditto head dunder heads a "little corner" of the media
audience?

Well, on one side we've got AP, Reuters, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Time
magazine, Newsweek, and a healthy smattering of radio affiliates. On the
other side we've got Fox and Limbaugh. I'm sure I left off a few lessers
on both sides. It's not even close.

Come on! You said the media is left-biased and then you said they have their
little corner. Claiming all the major news outlets are left-biased is pretty
hard to justify, given that they're all controlled by major corps., which
are not exactly pro left.


If people want to truly understand what is best, they need to understand
the best arguments on both sides.

No. They need to understand the arguments. Sometimes, there's only one
side. This was what was wrong with the fairness doctrine, among other
things.

If there is a conflict of opinion about what is right and wrong then there
are two conflicting arguments. Bias is essentially ignoring one side. The
only path to truth is understanding both arguments so you can pick the
better one. This doesn't require the Fairness Doctrine.

No. Sorry. If you have someone who believes in rape vs. respecting women,
you can't claim that there are two conflicting arguments.

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The kooky left has been jumping on Bush for stuff that has been going on
for 200 years. Now the chickens will come home to roost.

?? Huh? Bush has been around for 200 years? I thought that "demographic
was sufficient for decades to keep tipping a nearly evenly divided
country to the right." So, if that's the case, it must be Clinton's
fault.

The things Bush did, like trying to increase the Presidents power, have
been going on for 200 years. In the example I gave, Obama is currently
trying to maintain Bush's gain whereby Presidential aids are considered to
be above criminal prosecution. The kooks were jumping all over Bush as if
these actions made him impeachable or evil. Apparently they haven't
noticed that Obama is picking up where Bush left off. This is the normal
balance of power struggle that occurs in our government.

Like the Yoo memos basically establishing the legal justification for a
dictatorship. Well, ok.



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