I know that this is a no win debate, but anyone have any
useful opinions?

Doug
s/v Callista

Doug -- the Profurl NC32 on my Rawson 30 is much easier to use than the
Harken MkII was on my CT-41. Go figure, eh? ;-)


--
Karin Conover-Lewis
Fair and Balanced since 1959
klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net


"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
I know that this is a no win debate, but anyone have any
useful opinions?

Doug
s/v Callista

I have a couple of friends who've sworn by Schaefer.

CDI seems a bit problematic, however.

Me, I am a simpleton who uses hank ons. What a Luddite. G

R.

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:04:56 -0500, "Karin Conover-Lewis"
wrote:

Doug -- the Profurl NC32 on my Rawson 30 is much easier to use than the
Harken MkII was on my CT-41. Go figure, eh? ;-)

I had a friend in Los Angeles harbour whose mantra was, "Sails go up and
down -- toilet paper goes round and round." I noticed, though, that he
didn't seem to mind using the roller furler on MY boat. lol

--
Karin Conover-Lewis
Fair and Balanced since 1959
klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net


"rhys" wrote in message
...
I have a couple of friends who've sworn by Schaefer.

CDI seems a bit problematic, however.

Me, I am a simpleton who uses hank ons. What a Luddite. G

R.

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:10:40 -0500, "Karin Conover-Lewis"
wrote:

I had a friend in Los Angeles harbour whose mantra was, "Sails go up and
down -- toilet paper goes round and round." I noticed, though, that he
didn't seem to mind using the roller furler on MY boat. lol

I have used Harken without problem on charter boats, and others with
problems on friends' boats. If that is what is there you try to make
it work.

There is a boat like ours here with Profurl, and I haven't seen it
give any trouble.

I prefer hanks on my own boat.






Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

"That idiot Leibniz, who wants to teach me about the infinitesimally small! Has he therefore forgotten that I am the wife of Frederick I? How can he imagine that I am unacquainted with my own husband?"

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:10:40 -0500, "Karin Conover-Lewis"
wrote:

I had a friend in Los Angeles harbour whose mantra was, "Sails go up and
down -- toilet paper goes round and round." I noticed, though, that he
didn't seem to mind using the roller furler on MY boat. lol

Oh, don't get me wrong: furling is a wonderful thing, particularly on
bigger boats and in rotten weather. But it's a compromise, and the
compromise is that you lose on shape and pointing ability, and you
court mechanical failure with few alternatives (short of the
interesting "Gale Sail", I suppose). Add to that the tendency NOT to
strip the stay in heavy weather, creating potential foredeck hazards
and windage should a tear begin, and the issue of UV
degradation...well, it's not the Holy Grail it might seem at first.

The positives (ease of use, not having to carry sail inventory, not
having to brave the foredeck in wet weather, not having to wrestle and
stow huge genoas) are of course well known.

Me, I like hanks for mechanical simplicity and reliability. I have
blown one sail and wrecked one piston hank since 1999, and I carry
(generally) five sails (No 1, 2, 3, genoa staysail and cruising
spinnaker, with maybe a storm jib in the forepeak), which fill a
quarterberth I don't otherwise use. I cruise like I am racing, which
means trimming and setting for long legs, because I like to navigate
on paper, too G

When I go South, as they say, I will almost certainly go to the
"yankee-cut genoa on a furler" which is nearly universal. But as I
favour a cutter and/or ketch rig, I will likely want to keep a
hanked-on staysail stay for back up and peace of mind, and I won't
have mainsail furling, preferring to reef early.

Having said all that curmudgeonly stuff, I think the double
roller-reefing forestays called "Solent rigs" and found on many modern
cruisers like Sagas and so on are very, very appealing, and if I ever
win a lottery it's "hanks" for the memories...I've gettin' one of them
beauties!

R.

How does this help me decide between Harken and Profurl?

"rhys" wrote in message
...
I have a couple of friends who've sworn by Schaefer.

CDI seems a bit problematic, however.

Me, I am a simpleton who uses hank ons. What a Luddite. G

R.

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:04:56 -0500, "Karin Conover-Lewis"
wrote:

Doug -- the Profurl NC32 on my Rawson 30 is much easier to use than the
Harken MkII was on my CT-41. Go figure, eh? ;-)

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:19:54 -0400, something compelled "Doug
Dotson" , to say:

How does this help me decide between Harken and Profurl?

It doesn't. The advice you are receiving is worth every penney
you paid.

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:40:30 -0700, "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam"
wrote:

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:19:54 -0400, something compelled "Doug
Dotson" , to say:

How does this help me decide between Harken and Profurl?

It doesn't. The advice you are receiving is worth every penney
you paid.

Actually, it could be good advice.

The guy poses a problem;

"I don't know whether I should choose X, or Y?"

The advice was;

"I know some people who have chosen S, and some who have chosen
T....I, myself, ...I've picked Q."

Interpreted Advice;

People make decisions for a variety of reasons.

You need to figure out what's important to you; price, features,
function, workmanship, herd instinct...etc.

He knew some people who thought the merits of X and Y didn't meet
their criteria, and any difference between X and Y is immaterial.
Neither was selected.

His selection of Q is tossed in just to prove that in the end it
doesn't really matter what you choose. As reasoning creatures we can
always find a reason to support any decision....

I've had 2 Profurl's. One a lot longer than the other. After 2 years
of solid So Pac cruising the seals in the lower unit failed and the
bearing started to be hard to turn. The bearings (2) were standard
off-the-shelf carbon steel - they rust and seize solid in salt water
after the seals fail. Make sure you can get spare seals and bearings
if you choose Profurl. Also watch out for putting the rotating
extrusions together - the s/s setscrews weld into the Al extrusions
without miracle goop.

I might buy another Profurl but only after looking at other products
and spares available. Profurl in the US were miserable assholes to
deal with from NZ.

My opinion of Harken as a co. is much higher than the Profurl
distributors in the US.

Of course, if you're a marina sailor - it won't matter.



Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:19:54 -0400, "Doug Dotson"
wrote:

How does this help me decide between Harken and Profurl?

"rhys" wrote in message
.. .
I have a couple of friends who've sworn by Schaefer.

CDI seems a bit problematic, however.

Me, I am a simpleton who uses hank ons. What a Luddite. G

R.

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:04:56 -0500, "Karin Conover-Lewis"
wrote:

Doug -- the Profurl NC32 on my Rawson 30 is much easier to use than the
Harken MkII was on my CT-41. Go figure, eh? ;-)