"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Peter Bennett" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:25:42 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:


Or, are you saying that everything looks fine from bottom to top, but
it's
short by 12"? If so, then the main is the wrong size or the boom has
changed
heights. Is the gooseneck fixed?

Or the sailmaker allowed room for the sail to stretch with use. I
would expect that the old sail would have stretched somewhat, so the
new one would be a little smaller.

Is there a black band on mast near the head of the mast? If you race,
the sail must not go beyond that band, or you will be violating your
rating. (If you don't race, this is irrelevant.)


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Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
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GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca


Good point Peter... not that familiar with sail stretch for new sails, but
I'm wondering if 12" is more than what would be built in..

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A foot for stretch certainly isn't all that unusual, but it doesn't sound
like it's the problem. I believe you suggested earlier that it could be a
slide problem, and I would agree. When I had new sails made for Essie, the
new external slides had sharp edges and would easily go cattywompus, digging
into the sides of the track and bringing it all to a halt. We went through
and changed the bend on all of them, slightly outwards, and eased the edges
of the slides so they weren't so sharp, and up she went like grass through a
goose.

Someone else suggested a screw partially backed out. I've also had that
problem, and it's equally valid.

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Peter Bennett" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:25:42 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:


Or, are you saying that everything looks fine from bottom to top, but
it's
short by 12"? If so, then the main is the wrong size or the boom has
changed
heights. Is the gooseneck fixed?

Or the sailmaker allowed room for the sail to stretch with use. I
would expect that the old sail would have stretched somewhat, so the
new one would be a little smaller.

Is there a black band on mast near the head of the mast? If you race,
the sail must not go beyond that band, or you will be violating your
rating. (If you don't race, this is irrelevant.)


--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca


Good point Peter... not that familiar with sail stretch for new sails,
but I'm wondering if 12" is more than what would be built in..

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

A foot for stretch certainly isn't all that unusual, but it doesn't sound
like it's the problem. I believe you suggested earlier that it could be a
slide problem, and I would agree. When I had new sails made for Essie, the
new external slides had sharp edges and would easily go cattywompus,
digging into the sides of the track and bringing it all to a halt. We went
through and changed the bend on all of them, slightly outwards, and eased
the edges of the slides so they weren't so sharp, and up she went like
grass through a goose.

Someone else suggested a screw partially backed out. I've also had that
problem, and it's equally valid.


I've had sliders get stuck even though everything looked fine... just backed
off a bit , then tried again, and it went fine.

Try sailcote also...

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Peter Bennett" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:25:42 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:


Or, are you saying that everything looks fine from bottom to top, but it's
short by 12"? If so, then the main is the wrong size or the boom has
changed
heights. Is the gooseneck fixed?

Or the sailmaker allowed room for the sail to stretch with use. I
would expect that the old sail would have stretched somewhat, so the
new one would be a little smaller.

Is there a black band on mast near the head of the mast? If you race,
the sail must not go beyond that band, or you will be violating your
rating. (If you don't race, this is irrelevant.)


It would be nice if people actually took time to read a post with
understanding from time to time before they wasted everybody's time with
some stupid answer that has no bearing on the problem.

What don't you understand about this: "Trouble is, it hangs about 12" from
the top of
the mast. My old one doesn't." He obviously doesn't mean that the sail
hangs as in hanging from the halyard, he means it hangs as in stops going
up, gets stuck, binds, won't go no more, etc.

Considering this fact how does your post do anything but cause more
confusion? Or do you just like to talk for the sake of talking? Believe me,
you aren't the only one as evidenced by most of the other lame replies that
indicate a listening problem.

Wilbur Hubbard

In article lutions,
"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Nigel Molesworth" wrote in message
...
I carefully measured every side and the new mainsail looks beautiful. I
put new sliders on too. Trouble is, it hangs about 12" from the top of
the mast. My old one doesn't.

Even tho I have a bosuns chair I haven't gone up to investigate.

Any thoughts before I'm forced to go up there?

--
Molesworth


Are you're saying that the main doesn't go all the way to the top... that's
there some left over at the boom when you raise the sail "all the way" and
it's getting hung up on the way to the top? If so, then clearly something is
interferring with the sliders.

Yes. And the old sail goes right to the top. The new one is slack at the
foot - so much so that it's useless!

There has to be something that affects the new one that doesn't occur
with the old one.

I haul myself up with the mailsail haul - so I can't have both!

I'll drop the jib and use that haul to have a look with the sail up as
far as it will go and see what the prob is - when it gets a bit warmer!

--
Molesworth

"Nigel Molesworth" wrote in message
...
In article lutions,
"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Nigel Molesworth" wrote in message
...
I carefully measured every side and the new mainsail looks beautiful. I
put new sliders on too. Trouble is, it hangs about 12" from the top of
the mast. My old one doesn't.

Even tho I have a bosuns chair I haven't gone up to investigate.

Any thoughts before I'm forced to go up there?

--
Molesworth


Are you're saying that the main doesn't go all the way to the top...
that's
there some left over at the boom when you raise the sail "all the way"
and
it's getting hung up on the way to the top? If so, then clearly something
is
interferring with the sliders.

Yes. And the old sail goes right to the top. The new one is slack at the
foot - so much so that it's useless!

There has to be something that affects the new one that doesn't occur
with the old one.

I haul myself up with the mailsail haul - so I can't have both!

I'll drop the jib and use that haul to have a look with the sail up as
far as it will go and see what the prob is - when it gets a bit warmer!

--
Molesworth


You could take a look with some binoculars... you might see something if you
raise the new sail while you look. It's amazing what one can see...


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:20:21 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Nigel Molesworth" wrote in message
...
In article lutions,
"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Nigel Molesworth" wrote in message
...
I carefully measured every side and the new mainsail looks beautiful. I
put new sliders on too. Trouble is, it hangs about 12" from the top of
the mast. My old one doesn't.

Even tho I have a bosuns chair I haven't gone up to investigate.

Any thoughts before I'm forced to go up there?

--
Molesworth


Are you're saying that the main doesn't go all the way to the top...
that's
there some left over at the boom when you raise the sail "all the way"
and
it's getting hung up on the way to the top? If so, then clearly something
is
interferring with the sliders.

Yes. And the old sail goes right to the top. The new one is slack at the
foot - so much so that it's useless!

There has to be something that affects the new one that doesn't occur
with the old one.

I haul myself up with the mailsail haul - so I can't have both!

I'll drop the jib and use that haul to have a look with the sail up as
far as it will go and see what the prob is - when it gets a bit warmer!

--
Molesworth


You could take a look with some binoculars... you might see something if you
raise the new sail while you look. It's amazing what one can see...

It's possible that the actually impediment is not at the head, but
something further down. I would start by laying the old and new sail
luffs side by side and doing a careful inspection/comparison.
Obviously there is SOMETHING different. I don't think going up is
required... yet.

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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:20:21 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Nigel Molesworth" wrote in message
...
In article lutions,
"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Nigel Molesworth" wrote in message
...
I carefully measured every side and the new mainsail looks beautiful.
I
put new sliders on too. Trouble is, it hangs about 12" from the top
of
the mast. My old one doesn't.

Even tho I have a bosuns chair I haven't gone up to investigate.

Any thoughts before I'm forced to go up there?

--
Molesworth


Are you're saying that the main doesn't go all the way to the top...
that's
there some left over at the boom when you raise the sail "all the way"
and
it's getting hung up on the way to the top? If so, then clearly
something
is
interferring with the sliders.

Yes. And the old sail goes right to the top. The new one is slack at the
foot - so much so that it's useless!

There has to be something that affects the new one that doesn't occur
with the old one.

I haul myself up with the mailsail haul - so I can't have both!

I'll drop the jib and use that haul to have a look with the sail up as
far as it will go and see what the prob is - when it gets a bit warmer!

--
Molesworth


You could take a look with some binoculars... you might see something if
you
raise the new sail while you look. It's amazing what one can see...

It's possible that the actually impediment is not at the head, but
something further down. I would start by laying the old and new sail
luffs side by side and doing a careful inspection/comparison.
Obviously there is SOMETHING different. I don't think going up is
required... yet.



I agree. I would definitely do a side-by-side and examine the track as best
as possible.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:42:39 -0600, Nigel Molesworth
wrote:

In article lutions,
"Capt. JG" wrote:

"Nigel Molesworth" wrote in message
...
I carefully measured every side and the new mainsail looks beautiful. I
put new sliders on too. Trouble is, it hangs about 12" from the top of
the mast. My old one doesn't.

Even tho I have a bosuns chair I haven't gone up to investigate.

Any thoughts before I'm forced to go up there?

--
Molesworth


Are you're saying that the main doesn't go all the way to the top... that's
there some left over at the boom when you raise the sail "all the way" and
it's getting hung up on the way to the top? If so, then clearly something is
interferring with the sliders.

Yes. And the old sail goes right to the top. The new one is slack at the
foot - so much so that it's useless!

There has to be something that affects the new one that doesn't occur
with the old one.

I haul myself up with the mailsail haul - so I can't have both!

I'll drop the jib and use that haul to have a look with the sail up as
far as it will go and see what the prob is - when it gets a bit warmer!

Another thought (although you've probably checked) - any chance that
the boom or reefing lines are holding the sail down? Is the leech of
the sail tight when it is raised as far as it will go?


--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca

In article .com,
Peter Bennett wrote:


Another thought (although you've probably checked) - any chance that
the boom or reefing lines are holding the sail down? Is the leech of
the sail tight when it is raised as far as it will go?

No. I checked that too. If the sail goes up another foot, it'll be
perfect!

I'll report back as soon as I've compared the sails off the boat, then
check the slugs - then after I've checked the mast, I thought I'd take
the top one or two off the new sail..

--
Molesworth

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:31:58 -0600, Nigel Molesworth
wrote:

In article .com,
Peter Bennett wrote:


Another thought (although you've probably checked) - any chance that
the boom or reefing lines are holding the sail down? Is the leech of
the sail tight when it is raised as far as it will go?

No. I checked that too. If the sail goes up another foot, it'll be
perfect!

I'll report back as soon as I've compared the sails off the boat, then
check the slugs - then after I've checked the mast, I thought I'd take
the top one or two off the new sail..

By observing the luff of the sail, you should be able to decide where
it is sticking - if the whole luff is slack, then it is sticking at
the headboard. If some portion of the luff is tight, then it is
sticking at the bottom of that part.


--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca