On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:20:07 -0500, Marty wrote:

So, war crimes beget war crimes? Firing rockets indiscriminately is a
war crime, but then, so is using phosphorus in crowded civilian areas.

So, how would you stop them?

They can't be stopped. You should know that. From where I sit, Israel
just gave Hamas a very powerful tool. Hamas is a terrorist organization,
and what do terrorists do? So now, what does Israel do when Hamas fires
more rockets? And on, and on, it goes.

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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:20:07 -0500, Marty wrote:

So, war crimes beget war crimes? Firing rockets indiscriminately is a
war crime, but then, so is using phosphorus in crowded civilian areas.

So, how would you stop them?

They can't be stopped. You should know that. From where I sit, Israel
just gave Hamas a very powerful tool. Hamas is a terrorist organization,
and what do terrorists do? So now, what does Israel do when Hamas fires
more rockets? And on, and on, it goes.


That's the pessimistic attitude. Israel attacked and so far Hamas has
stopped firing the rockets. I think it's possible for the situation to get
resolved. Remember... Egypt and Jordan were also enemies. Now, they tolerate
Israel. Even Syria isn't interested in armed conflict. You'll note they did
nothing when the Israeli airforce took out their nuclear power plant.
Lebannon hasn't done much since the Israelis withdrew (even with Hezbollah
in charge in a somewhat failed state).

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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:03:11 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:20:07 -0500, Marty wrote:

So, war crimes beget war crimes? Firing rockets indiscriminately is a
war crime, but then, so is using phosphorus in crowded civilian areas.

So, how would you stop them?

They can't be stopped. You should know that. From where I sit, Israel
just gave Hamas a very powerful tool. Hamas is a terrorist organization,
and what do terrorists do? So now, what does Israel do when Hamas fires
more rockets? And on, and on, it goes.


That's the pessimistic attitude. Israel attacked and so far Hamas has
stopped firing the rockets. I think it's possible for the situation to get
resolved.

I think, based on all known history, that you are foolishly
optimistic. Hamas uses any ceasefire to regroup and re-arm for the
next round. Syria is probably supplying them with more missles and
other aid.

This is not exactly a new pattern, I'm talking about.

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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:03:11 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:20:07 -0500, Marty wrote:

So, war crimes beget war crimes? Firing rockets indiscriminately is a
war crime, but then, so is using phosphorus in crowded civilian areas.

So, how would you stop them?

They can't be stopped. You should know that. From where I sit, Israel
just gave Hamas a very powerful tool. Hamas is a terrorist
organization,
and what do terrorists do? So now, what does Israel do when Hamas fires
more rockets? And on, and on, it goes.


That's the pessimistic attitude. Israel attacked and so far Hamas has
stopped firing the rockets. I think it's possible for the situation to get
resolved.

I think, based on all known history, that you are foolishly
optimistic. Hamas uses any ceasefire to regroup and re-arm for the
next round. Syria is probably supplying them with more missles and
other aid.

This is not exactly a new pattern, I'm talking about.



Hope for the best, plan for the worst...

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thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:20:07 -0500, Marty wrote:

So, war crimes beget war crimes? Firing rockets indiscriminately is a
war crime, but then, so is using phosphorus in crowded civilian areas.
So, how would you stop them?

They can't be stopped. You should know that. From where I sit, Israel
just gave Hamas a very powerful tool. Hamas is a terrorist organization,
and what do terrorists do? So now, what does Israel do when Hamas fires
more rockets? And on, and on, it goes.


Oh, so the Israelis should just roll over and commit mass suicide? They
tried that at Masada, didn't really do much good.

They have done exactly the same thing any nation does when faced with
terrorists attacking them,, they took the fight to the terrorists,, just
like the US did following 911, (should have stuck to Afghanistan, but
that's another tale).

It's taken the Brits and the Irish terrorists, (yes, anybody who sets
bombs to deliberately kill innocent women and children to accomplish a
political goal is by definition a terrorist) only about 400 years to
come to an agreement,,, but in the end Britain is still Britain,
Ireland is still Ireland and the assholes have stopped killing innocents.

Cheers
Martin

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:15:05 -0500, Marty wrote:


It's taken the Brits and the Irish terrorists, (yes, anybody who sets
bombs to deliberately kill innocent women and children to accomplish a
political goal is by definition a terrorist) only about 400 years to
come to an agreement,,, but in the end Britain is still Britain,
Ireland is still Ireland and the assholes have stopped killing
innocents.

LOL, you think Israel has 400 years? You overlook demographics. Arabs
within Israel, are expected to be the majority within @25 years. I guess
you know what that means in a democracy.

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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:15:05 -0500, Marty wrote:


It's taken the Brits and the Irish terrorists, (yes, anybody who sets
bombs to deliberately kill innocent women and children to accomplish a
political goal is by definition a terrorist) only about 400 years to
come to an agreement,,, but in the end Britain is still Britain,
Ireland is still Ireland and the assholes have stopped killing
innocents.

LOL, you think Israel has 400 years? You overlook demographics. Arabs
within Israel, are expected to be the majority within @25 years. I guess
you know what that means in a democracy.


It means that the current majority needs to invest in the political and
social capital necessary to make that a non-event.

There are only three possibilities... 1) ethnic cleansing 2) apartheid 3)
democracy. The first two are not viable.

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Capt. JG wrote:
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:15:05 -0500, Marty wrote:


It's taken the Brits and the Irish terrorists, (yes, anybody who sets
bombs to deliberately kill innocent women and children to accomplish a
political goal is by definition a terrorist) only about 400 years to
come to an agreement,,, but in the end Britain is still Britain,
Ireland is still Ireland and the assholes have stopped killing
innocents.
LOL, you think Israel has 400 years? You overlook demographics. Arabs
within Israel, are expected to be the majority within @25 years. I guess
you know what that means in a democracy.


It means that the current majority needs to invest in the political and
social capital necessary to make that a non-event.

There are only three possibilities... 1) ethnic cleansing 2) apartheid 3)
democracy. The first two are not viable.

You forgot one. Produce enough children,
a rather pleasurable task.

"Sjouke Burry" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:15:05 -0500, Marty wrote:


It's taken the Brits and the Irish terrorists, (yes, anybody who sets
bombs to deliberately kill innocent women and children to accomplish a
political goal is by definition a terrorist) only about 400 years to
come to an agreement,,, but in the end Britain is still Britain,
Ireland is still Ireland and the assholes have stopped killing
innocents.
LOL, you think Israel has 400 years? You overlook demographics. Arabs
within Israel, are expected to be the majority within @25 years. I
guess
you know what that means in a democracy.


It means that the current majority needs to invest in the political and
social capital necessary to make that a non-event.

There are only three possibilities... 1) ethnic cleansing 2) apartheid 3)
democracy. The first two are not viable.

You forgot one. Produce enough children,
a rather pleasurable task.


That was included in the "are expected to be in the majority" comment
previously. The probably is... the Palestinians are reproducing faster.


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Capt. JG wrote:
"Sjouke Burry" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:15:05 -0500, Marty wrote:


It's taken the Brits and the Irish terrorists, (yes, anybody who sets
bombs to deliberately kill innocent women and children to accomplish a
political goal is by definition a terrorist) only about 400 years to
come to an agreement,,, but in the end Britain is still Britain,
Ireland is still Ireland and the assholes have stopped killing
innocents.
LOL, you think Israel has 400 years? You overlook demographics. Arabs
within Israel, are expected to be the majority within @25 years. I
guess
you know what that means in a democracy.

It means that the current majority needs to invest in the political and
social capital necessary to make that a non-event.

There are only three possibilities... 1) ethnic cleansing 2) apartheid 3)
democracy. The first two are not viable.

You forgot one. Produce enough children,
a rather pleasurable task.


That was included in the "are expected to be in the majority" comment
previously. The probably is... the Palestinians are reproducing faster.




Well, they have too, lest they run out of children to hide behind while
killing innocent Israelis.


Cheers
Martin