Dave wrote:
On 20 Jan 2009 16:42:01 -0600, Dave said:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:59:53 -0800, Stephen Trapani
said:

most of the Afghanies hate the Taliban.
What support do you have for that proposition?

Still waiting for an answer to that one, Steve.

You must have missed my reply. Read _Kite Runner_. Plus there are many
other sources of information about how the Taliban treated the citizens
and how hated they were. Or you can just scroll through this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

The rest should be obvious.

Stephen

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Dave wrote:
On 20 Jan 2009 16:42:01 -0600, Dave said:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:59:53 -0800, Stephen Trapani
said:

most of the Afghanies hate the Taliban.
What support do you have for that proposition?

Still waiting for an answer to that one, Steve.

You must have missed my reply. Read _Kite Runner_. Plus there are many
other sources of information about how the Taliban treated the citizens
and how hated they were. Or you can just scroll through this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

The rest should be obvious.

Stephen

You are aware, of course, that "The Kite Runner" is a work of fiction?
Similarly, one could read "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" and come to the
conclusion that most Indians hate the Federal Government.

KLC Lewis wrote:
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Dave wrote:
On 20 Jan 2009 16:42:01 -0600, Dave said:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:59:53 -0800, Stephen Trapani
said:

most of the Afghanies hate the Taliban.
What support do you have for that proposition?
Still waiting for an answer to that one, Steve.
You must have missed my reply. Read _Kite Runner_. Plus there are many
other sources of information about how the Taliban treated the citizens
and how hated they were. Or you can just scroll through this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

The rest should be obvious.

Stephen

You are aware, of course, that "The Kite Runner" is a work of fiction?
Similarly, one could read "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" and come to the
conclusion that most Indians hate the Federal Government.

It's historical fiction, written by someone who was there.

Stephen

On Jan 21, 10:58 pm, Stephen Trapani
wrote:
KLC Lewis wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
On 20 Jan 2009 16:42:01 -0600, Dave said:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:59:53 -0800, Stephen Trapani
said:

most of the Afghanies hate the Taliban.
What support do you have for that proposition?
Still waiting for an answer to that one, Steve.
You must have missed my reply. Read _Kite Runner_. Plus there are many
other sources of information about how the Taliban treated the citizens
and how hated they were. Or you can just scroll through this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

The rest should be obvious.

Stephen

You are aware, of course, that "The Kite Runner" is a work of fiction?
Similarly, one could read "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" and come to the
conclusion that most Indians hate the Federal Government.

It's historical fiction, written by someone who was there.

Stephen

Ahh then that makes it all ok. the author would never overstate any
thing to sell a book.
like news paper and television reporters would never manipulate a
story to propagate there view point.

Two meter troll wrote:
On Jan 21, 10:58 pm, Stephen Trapani
wrote:
KLC Lewis wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
On 20 Jan 2009 16:42:01 -0600, Dave said:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:59:53 -0800, Stephen Trapani
said:
most of the Afghanies hate the Taliban.
What support do you have for that proposition?
Still waiting for an answer to that one, Steve.
You must have missed my reply. Read _Kite Runner_. Plus there are many
other sources of information about how the Taliban treated the citizens
and how hated they were. Or you can just scroll through this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
The rest should be obvious.
Stephen
You are aware, of course, that "The Kite Runner" is a work of fiction?
Similarly, one could read "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" and come to the
conclusion that most Indians hate the Federal Government.
It's historical fiction, written by someone who was there.

Stephen

Ahh then that makes it all ok. the author would never overstate any
thing to sell a book.
like news paper and television reporters would never manipulate a
story to propagate there view point.

Has anyone every noticed how "pacifists," moral relativists, and lefties
try to sound neutral and fair and respecting of all views, yet they
always end up making excuses and diminishing the evil acts of the worst,
most evil human beings on the planet? That's not neutrality, it's siding
with the bad guys. As if the Taliban weren't one of the most brutal
regimes to their own citizens in recent history.

If you want to be good and kind and gentle, stop siding with people who
are the opposite!!

Stephen

Dave wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:21:43 -0800, Stephen Trapani
said:

If you want to be good and kind and gentle, stop siding with people who
are the opposite!!

Don't know about two meter, but I'm not on the side of anyone or anything in
your food fight, other than truth. So when you say "most of the Afghanies
[sic] hate the Taliban," my BS detector lights up and says to me that you're
not in a position to make that judgment based on direct experience. So I ask
for the basis of the conclusion. Your answers to that question have been
less than satisfactory thus far.

So let me see. You educated yourself about the historic brutality of the
Taliban regime and when I said most Afghanis didn't like it, *that* set
off your BS meter??

You'd better get that thing adjusted!!!

Stephen

Dave wrote:

I understand that watching Christians being fed to the lions was a very
popular spectator sport in Rome at one time, and that the sponsors of those
events were wildly popular.

Which, if one applies the axiom you seem to be positing in another
thread, would imply that such practices were "correct" ;-)

Cheers
Martin

Dave wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:25:25 -0800, Stephen Trapani
said:

Don't know about two meter, but I'm not on the side of anyone or anything in
your food fight, other than truth. So when you say "most of the Afghanies
[sic] hate the Taliban," my BS detector lights up and says to me that you're
not in a position to make that judgment based on direct experience. So I ask
for the basis of the conclusion. Your answers to that question have been
less than satisfactory thus far.
So let me see. You educated yourself about the historic brutality of the
Taliban regime and when I said most Afghanis didn't like it, *that* set
off your BS meter??

I didn't have to educate myself on the topic, Steve.

Aha, there's your problem. You need to learn more about the Taliban and
how they treated their citizens.

What set off my BS
meter was your apparent smug assumption, with no supporting evidence, that
the mass of people from this very different culture must necessarily share
your point of view. Might be true. Might not.

Well, unless you think they are monkeys or subhuman in some way, the
same things that hurt you, hurt them. If your father is kidnapped and
killed, if your sister is brutalized and oppressed, if anyone who
objects has to live in constant fear, you hate it and so do they.

I understand that watching Christians being fed to the lions was a very
popular spectator sport in Rome at one time, and that the sponsors of those
events were wildly popular.

The similar stadium executions in Afghanistan were popular also. Does
that mean that either of them a morally good way to treat people? No.
Your "tolerance" of other "cultures" is causing you to support brutality
against people and is immoral. You should change.

Stephen

Dave wrote:

I understand that watching Christians being fed to the lions was a very
popular spectator sport in Rome at one time, and that the sponsors of those
events were wildly popular.

There is no evidence that this ever happened. There was relatively
little persecution of the early Christians, and most incidents involved
individuals who were deemed enemies of the state for political, not
religious reasons.

If nothing else, the extremely small number of Christian in the First
Century and shortly thereafter made them hardly worth bothering with.
The is a saying amongst Biblical scholars (probably hyperbole) that "In
the year 100 there were 100 Christians."