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On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 03:46:02 +0000, Larry wrote:

"Capt. JG" wrote in
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"Larry" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
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Really? How so? I'm not putting him a racial class, although I'd
suggest 3rd grade... again.

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Go look up Goyim in your dictionary.



Why? I never used that term. Go look up Hitler in your dictionary.


And, I suppose, you never hear that term from any Jews, right?\

Heck, I was even referred to as a Righteous Goyem one time....Gave a
guy a ride to Temple one rainy day.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:16:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
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"Larry" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
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Really? How so? I'm not putting him a racial class, although I'd
suggest 3rd grade... again.

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Go look up Goyim in your dictionary.



Why? I never used that term. Go look up Hitler in your dictionary.


And, I suppose, you never hear that term from any Jews, right?\



Sure. So, what's your point? Because one person uses a term, all people of
that ethnic background are guilty? What about the Christian who uses it of
himself when around Jewish friends. Would he be a racist of his own race? I
think you're grasping at straws.

Actually Larry is correct, most societies have words which may be less
then complementary to describe people from outside the society. I have
been called a Yankee in Georgia and they didn't mean a guy from New
England, the Chinese have some interesting terms Quialo or Angmo,
"Foreign Devil" or "Red Haired Devil". You are a Farang or Farangi in
many Asian countries and in Indonesia to be called a "Orang Blanda" or
"blond headed person" was actually dangerous at one time as the term
originally meant Dutchman and was enough to get you mobbed in some
areas.

The fact is that these terms are openly and commonly used to describe
a foreigner in most countries. In fact, about the only place I have
been where it was politically incorrect to call a spade a spade was
the good old USA.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
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Actually Larry is correct, most societies have words which may be less
then complementary to describe people from outside the society. I have
been called a Yankee in Georgia and they didn't mean a guy from New
England, the Chinese have some interesting terms Quialo or Angmo,
"Foreign Devil" or "Red Haired Devil". You are a Farang or Farangi in
many Asian countries and in Indonesia to be called a "Orang Blanda" or
"blond headed person" was actually dangerous at one time as the term
originally meant Dutchman and was enough to get you mobbed in some
areas.

The fact is that these terms are openly and commonly used to describe
a foreigner in most countries. In fact, about the only place I have
been where it was politically incorrect to call a spade a spade was
the good old USA.

There has been the most ridiculous fuss in UK during the last few days
because a bit of video has just emerged which shows Prince Harry (three
years ago!) referring to a friend of his as a 'Paki' instead of using the
full term Pakistani. Every PC source in UK from the government down has
described this as 'totally unacceptable'. They forced Harry to apologise and
even then the guy's father said he was still outraged by the use of that
'hate word'. The row lasted several days.
I do not riot when the Aussies call me a 'Pom' (never yet been acused of
being a 'whinging pom' though so they had better be careful). Nor do Irish
and Scots riot over 'Paddy' and 'Jock'.
I am fed up with all this PC nonsense which has permeated our whole society.
If they think the general public in UK will use a long word like 'Pakistani'
when a four-letter one will suffice they are making a big mistake.

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Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
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Heck, I was even referred to as a Righteous Goyem one time....Gave a
guy a ride to Temple one rainy day.



Goyim, like any pack animal, can be used by Jews. It says that in a lot of
places in the Talmud, too. You were fulfilling your destiny....

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
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"Larry" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
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Really? How so? I'm not putting him a racial class, although I'd
suggest 3rd grade... again.

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Go look up Goyim in your dictionary.


Why? I never used that term. Go look up Hitler in your dictionary.

And, I suppose, you never hear that term from any Jews, right?\



Sure. So, what's your point? Because one person uses a term, all people of
that ethnic background are guilty? What about the Christian who uses it of
himself when around Jewish friends. Would he be a racist of his own race? I
think you're grasping at straws.


Is Larry so deluded that he thinks "goyim" is inherently racist? It
means "nations" (plural of "goy," which is nation in Hebrew) and is used
many times in the Bible to refer to Israel or Judah, or the "Nation of
Jews." It also means "nationals" or "citizens," and since Jews were
denied citizenship in almost every country until about 200 years ago, it
came to imply the local citizenry, or in general, non-Jews. There is no
inherent negative connotation in the Hebrew or Yiddish usage, it is
essentially the Yiddish word for "Gentile."

However, like any ethnic descriptor, it can be used in a negative way,
much like Whites using the term "Black," (or Blacks using White) can be
pejorative or neutral or positive, depending on the context.
Admittedly, in the US, the usage is often assumed to be somewhat
negative because the use of a Yiddish word in an English sentence has
special emphasis.

I've almost never heard it used in a context that I considered overtly
racist, more often I heard it in the "us versus them" usage, such as
"That yacht club is for the Goyim." Given that the yacht club probably
excluded Jews (or did in the past) its hard to call that racist.

BTW, the word "Goy" is not commonly used in modern Hebrew in Israel;
they use different words to describe non-Jews and foreigners.

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"jeff" wrote in message
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Don't hold back Larry, tell us what you really think.


Ya, that Larry fella is one opinionated cracker.

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"jeff" wrote in message
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Don't hold back Larry, tell us what you really think.


Ya, that Larry fella is one opinionated cracker.


Peculiar way to spell, "ASSHOLE"

Cheers,
Gwen Ives

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"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:16:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
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"Larry" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
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Really? How so? I'm not putting him a racial class, although I'd
suggest 3rd grade... again.

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Go look up Goyim in your dictionary.



Why? I never used that term. Go look up Hitler in your dictionary.


And, I suppose, you never hear that term from any Jews, right?\



Sure. So, what's your point? Because one person uses a term, all people of
that ethnic background are guilty? What about the Christian who uses it of
himself when around Jewish friends. Would he be a racist of his own race?
I
think you're grasping at straws.

Actually Larry is correct, most societies have words which may be less
then complementary to describe people from outside the society. I have
been called a Yankee in Georgia and they didn't mean a guy from New
England, the Chinese have some interesting terms Quialo or Angmo,
"Foreign Devil" or "Red Haired Devil". You are a Farang or Farangi in
many Asian countries and in Indonesia to be called a "Orang Blanda" or
"blond headed person" was actually dangerous at one time as the term
originally meant Dutchman and was enough to get you mobbed in some
areas.

The fact is that these terms are openly and commonly used to describe
a foreigner in most countries. In fact, about the only place I have
been where it was politically incorrect to call a spade a spade was
the good old USA.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


Correct about what? He asked if I ever heard the word goyim from a jew. I
said that just because one person says it that doesn't qualify as all people
from the same group as being racist. Larry is not correct, and his attempt
to use race-baiting language to support an argument is disgusting.

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"jeff" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
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"Larry" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
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Really? How so? I'm not putting him a racial class, although I'd
suggest 3rd grade... again.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com


Go look up Goyim in your dictionary.


Why? I never used that term. Go look up Hitler in your dictionary.

And, I suppose, you never hear that term from any Jews, right?\



Sure. So, what's your point? Because one person uses a term, all people
of that ethnic background are guilty? What about the Christian who uses
it of himself when around Jewish friends. Would he be a racist of his own
race? I think you're grasping at straws.


Is Larry so deluded that he thinks "goyim" is inherently racist? It means
"nations" (plural of "goy," which is nation in Hebrew) and is used many
times in the Bible to refer to Israel or Judah, or the "Nation of Jews."
It also means "nationals" or "citizens," and since Jews were denied
citizenship in almost every country until about 200 years ago, it came to
imply the local citizenry, or in general, non-Jews. There is no inherent
negative connotation in the Hebrew or Yiddish usage, it is essentially the
Yiddish word for "Gentile."

However, like any ethnic descriptor, it can be used in a negative way,
much like Whites using the term "Black," (or Blacks using White) can be
pejorative or neutral or positive, depending on the context. Admittedly,
in the US, the usage is often assumed to be somewhat negative because the
use of a Yiddish word in an English sentence has special emphasis.

I've almost never heard it used in a context that I considered overtly
racist, more often I heard it in the "us versus them" usage, such as "That
yacht club is for the Goyim." Given that the yacht club probably excluded
Jews (or did in the past) its hard to call that racist.

BTW, the word "Goy" is not commonly used in modern Hebrew in Israel; they
use different words to describe non-Jews and foreigners.


I have heard it used in a pejorative way, but come to think of it not as a
racist term. In any case, one person using it doesn't condemn a whole group
of the same ethnic background.

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"Larry" wrote in message
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Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
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Heck, I was even referred to as a Righteous Goyem one time....Gave a
guy a ride to Temple one rainy day.



Goyim, like any pack animal, can be used by Jews. It says that in a lot
of
places in the Talmud, too. You were fulfilling your destiny....



Just like Hitler right? Tell us again, about how Hitler didn't finish the
job....

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