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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 23:26:27 -0500, "mmc" wrote:


"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:16:27 -0000, Justin C
wrote:

In article lutions,
Capt. JG wrote:

[big snip]

that's the perception that's being generated by the Arab run news
agencies based in countries where the governments usually don't believe
Israel has a right to exist.

I don't think you'll find it's the *existence* of Israel that is the
problem, it's *where* it exists that is the cause of the trouble. For
example, if the Jews had, let's say, Rhode Island, I'm sure the
Palestinians and Jordanians would be quite happy but would you?

Justin.

Certainly, who cares about Rhode Island? Better yet, give 'em Miami as
it is much the Jewish homeland as Palestine..

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
They have to grow old and cantankerous in New York before they're allowed to
move to South Florida.

From the people I met it was always "New Joisy".

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 23:26:27 -0500, "mmc" wrote:


"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:16:27 -0000, Justin C
wrote:

In article lutions,
Capt. JG wrote:

[big snip]

that's the perception that's being generated by the Arab run news
agencies based in countries where the governments usually don't
believe
Israel has a right to exist.

I don't think you'll find it's the *existence* of Israel that is the
problem, it's *where* it exists that is the cause of the trouble. For
example, if the Jews had, let's say, Rhode Island, I'm sure the
Palestinians and Jordanians would be quite happy but would you?

Justin.

Certainly, who cares about Rhode Island? Better yet, give 'em Miami as
it is much the Jewish homeland as Palestine..

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
They have to grow old and cantankerous in New York before they're allowed
to
move to South Florida.

From the people I met it was always "New Joisy".

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
I believe they have to be a little more grouchy if they're from NJ.

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Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
:

Of course there is a God.


Bruce, have you watched Zeitgeist and the new Zeitgeist Addendum?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kHhc67GopM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs


Of course, you'll need the annotated transcript with full disclosure and
research to back up what the movie is telling you:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/transcript.htm

Religion seems to have stopped, at least momentarily, trying to have the
movie erased from the net. It's not very good for business, I suppose.

Especially religious people need to watch this movie, carefully and with
what's left of their minds, follow up the additional information and
pointers in the transcript, then do something they probably have never done
before.....think for themselves at what's being done to them.

........before humanity has the "final solution" where we all kill ourselves
in the name of religion.....

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"Larry" wrote in message
...
Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
:

Of course there is a God.


Bruce, have you watched Zeitgeist and the new Zeitgeist Addendum?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kHhc67GopM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs


Of course, you'll need the annotated transcript with full disclosure and
research to back up what the movie is telling you:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/transcript.htm

Religion seems to have stopped, at least momentarily, trying to have the
movie erased from the net. It's not very good for business, I suppose.

Especially religious people need to watch this movie, carefully and with
what's left of their minds, follow up the additional information and
pointers in the transcript, then do something they probably have never
done
before.....think for themselves at what's being done to them.

.......before humanity has the "final solution" where we all kill
ourselves
in the name of religion.....



According to you, apparently, the "final solution" was an incomplete 1940s
action plan.

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"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:53:23 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:44:17 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:08:48 -0600, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:12:22 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote:


Are they innocent? they elected Hamus an openly terrorist
organization
who advocate the forcible eradication of Israel.

Is that really innocent?
Cheers,

The children did that?

Nope, the voters did that but as the "children" throw stones at
Israeli soldiers and otherwise do their best to incite the situation
how innocent can one consider them?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I consider the children mostly innocent. They do what most children
do...
follow their role models' lead. I understand why the adults voted in
Hamas;
Israel should have, could have, and should do more for the cause of
peace,
but that does not excuse the indescriminate firing of rockets and the
calls
for the descruction of Israel by the Hamas leadership. Both need to end.

I wonder whether you would find the "child" who carried a bomb into
the restaurant where it exploded killing your wife/child/loved one so
innocent as you feel at the moment sitting safely at home watching the
T.V.

As far as the "cause of peace" it is somewhat difficult to have a
peace with folks who hate you, who's religion (and don't think that
the Palestinians aren't true believers) teaches them that outsiders,
infidels, have no rights and should be eradicated if they don't
convert.

To get an impression of Islamic beliefs understand that it is 1430 in
the Islamic calendar. Review Christian history for the mid 1400's A.D.
and it will give you a fairly accurate picture.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I probably wouldn't but the child would be innocent and would have been
used
by an adult. Children's brains are not sufficiently developed to guarantee
knowing right from wrong. That's why we don't as a rule execute kids.

It is difficult, as you say, but it's not impossible. I also believe that
most people, without regard to religion, would prefer peace and
coexistence
to war and death. Islam is not a "violent" religion, any more than
Christianity or Judism.


I disagree with you. If you believe that Islam is not a violent
religion read the Koran. It is full of instructions regarding how
non-believers are to be treated. Most of them harshly. The propaganda
that Islam is a religion of submission and thus a peaceful religion if
just that propaganda. Islam is a religion of submission - submission
to the will of God and does not include non-believers inside the magic
circle.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I don't think you've read it. I have. It's not about violence any more than
is the bible.


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easolutions...
I don't think you've read it. I have. It's not about violence any more
than is the bible.


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Precisely. Extremists twist all religions to suit their own ends. Al Qaeda
represents Islam to the same extent that Fred Phelps represents
Christianity.

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Larry wrote:
Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
:

Of course there is a God.


Bruce, have you watched Zeitgeist and the new Zeitgeist Addendum?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kHhc67GopM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs


Zietgeist and zietgeist II are about a lot more than just religion.
And the religion thing has gone on for centuries and will go on for many
centuries more.
As for the rest of zietgeist, IMHO, 10% truth, 90% distortion,
hypocrisies, half truths, and plain crap!
IMHO
Gordon

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"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

According to you, apparently, the "final solution" was an incomplete
1940s action plan.

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Dead women, dead children.....Jews at Auchwitz? No, Dead kids in the Gaza
Concentration Camp. No food, no water, no hope, no electricity, no water.
Goddamned Genocide....

I'm seeing napalm popping off. Trying to kill Hamas, my ass. Trying to
kill them all.

**** you and your goddamned Zionist murderers.

**** the Zionist US government for supporting genocide.

Hitler should have killed them all.

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In article , Larry wrote:
I'm seeing napalm popping off. Trying to kill Hamas, my ass. Trying to
kill them all.

Well, that *would* do it.

Justin.

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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:53:23 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Islam is not a "violent" religion, any more than
Christianity or Judism.

The Nazis professed to be Christians.

Casady

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"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

According to you, apparently, the "final solution" was an incomplete
1940s action plan.

Dead women, dead children.....Jews at Auchwitz? No, Dead kids in the Gaza
Concentration Camp. No food, no water, no hope, no electricity, no water.
Goddamned Genocide....

I'm seeing napalm popping off. Trying to kill Hamas, my ass. Trying to
kill them all.

**** you and your goddamned Zionist murderers.

**** the Zionist US government for supporting genocide.

Hitler should have killed them all.



Thanks for clarifying your thoughts. You need to get some help.

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On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:53:47 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:53:23 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:44:17 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
om...
On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:08:48 -0600, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:12:22 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote:


Are they innocent? they elected Hamus an openly terrorist
organization
who advocate the forcible eradication of Israel.

Is that really innocent?
Cheers,

The children did that?

Nope, the voters did that but as the "children" throw stones at
Israeli soldiers and otherwise do their best to incite the situation
how innocent can one consider them?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I consider the children mostly innocent. They do what most children
do...
follow their role models' lead. I understand why the adults voted in
Hamas;
Israel should have, could have, and should do more for the cause of
peace,
but that does not excuse the indescriminate firing of rockets and the
calls
for the descruction of Israel by the Hamas leadership. Both need to end.

I wonder whether you would find the "child" who carried a bomb into
the restaurant where it exploded killing your wife/child/loved one so
innocent as you feel at the moment sitting safely at home watching the
T.V.

As far as the "cause of peace" it is somewhat difficult to have a
peace with folks who hate you, who's religion (and don't think that
the Palestinians aren't true believers) teaches them that outsiders,
infidels, have no rights and should be eradicated if they don't
convert.

To get an impression of Islamic beliefs understand that it is 1430 in
the Islamic calendar. Review Christian history for the mid 1400's A.D.
and it will give you a fairly accurate picture.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I probably wouldn't but the child would be innocent and would have been
used
by an adult. Children's brains are not sufficiently developed to guarantee
knowing right from wrong. That's why we don't as a rule execute kids.

It is difficult, as you say, but it's not impossible. I also believe that
most people, without regard to religion, would prefer peace and
coexistence
to war and death. Islam is not a "violent" religion, any more than
Christianity or Judism.


I disagree with you. If you believe that Islam is not a violent
religion read the Koran. It is full of instructions regarding how
non-believers are to be treated. Most of them harshly. The propaganda
that Islam is a religion of submission and thus a peaceful religion if
just that propaganda. Islam is a religion of submission - submission
to the will of God and does not include non-believers inside the magic
circle.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I don't think you've read it. I have. It's not about violence any more than
is the bible.


Sorry about your misconceptions. I lived for nearly 20 years in the
largest Moslem nation in the world and read the Koran several times.
Your statement that it is no more violent then the Christian Bible is
true however the Bible is rather emphatic about things - thou shall
not suffer a witch to live, etc. Read the return to the promised land
after the Egyptian interlude for examples of God's will.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:39:37 +0000, Larry wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
:

Of course there is a God.


Bruce, have you watched Zeitgeist and the new Zeitgeist Addendum?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kHhc67GopM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs


Of course, you'll need the annotated transcript with full disclosure and
research to back up what the movie is telling you:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/transcript.htm

Religion seems to have stopped, at least momentarily, trying to have the
movie erased from the net. It's not very good for business, I suppose.

Especially religious people need to watch this movie, carefully and with
what's left of their minds, follow up the additional information and
pointers in the transcript, then do something they probably have never done
before.....think for themselves at what's being done to them.

.......before humanity has the "final solution" where we all kill ourselves
in the name of religion.....


Personally I don't think it is religion, exactly. It is "mine is
bigger and better then yours". The Thais, for example, think that the
Southerners, who are Moslem, are totally wrong while, of course, the
southerners know exactly the same thing about the rest of the Kingdom.

The Catholics teach that the best the protestant religions have to
look forward to is purgatory and of course the Protestants know that
the Catholics are totally incorrect.

The Moslem.Jewish fiasco if typically stupid as they both worship the
same god - the god of Abraham...just like the Christians, who also
have persecuted the Jews...

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
...
I don't think you've read it. I have. It's not about violence any more
than
is the bible.


Sorry about your misconceptions. I lived for nearly 20 years in the
largest Moslem nation in the world and read the Koran several times.
Your statement that it is no more violent then the Christian Bible is
true however the Bible is rather emphatic about things - thou shall
not suffer a witch to live, etc. Read the return to the promised land
after the Egyptian interlude for examples of God's will.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I withdraw my comment that you haven't read it, but I stand by your
confirmation that the bible is no different. If that's the case, then it
seems like my original statement isn't far off. Most Christians don't
believe the bible advocates violence. I believe that most Muslims don't
believe the Koran advocates violence either.

Are you a Muslim? If not, then did you feel yourself to be in danger? FYI,
I've read that many of that religion are offended by the use of Moslem vs.
Muslim. Have you heard of this?

I found a reference on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim.

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Dave wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:44:08 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
said:

thou shall
not suffer a witch to live,

Where would I find this little-known verse?

In the Bible, of course. It isn't "little-known" by any serious reader
since there are a number of situations that refer back to it. In the
ancient Hebrew world there was little doubt that witchcraft was
effective, but it was considered an insult to God.

Specifically, its Exodus 22:18 in the King James. In the Hebrew (JPS)
Bible its Exodus 22:17, just between "seducing a virgin for whom the
bride-price has not been paid" and "lies with a beast."

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"jeff" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:44:08 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
said:

thou shall
not suffer a witch to live,

Where would I find this little-known verse?

In the Bible, of course. It isn't "little-known" by any serious reader
since there are a number of situations that refer back to it. In the
ancient Hebrew world there was little doubt that witchcraft was effective,
but it was considered an insult to God.

Specifically, its Exodus 22:18 in the King James. In the Hebrew (JPS)
Bible its Exodus 22:17, just between "seducing a virgin for whom the
bride-price has not been paid" and "lies with a beast."


I believe it's a mis-translation.

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Larry wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

According to you, apparently, the "final solution" was an incomplete
1940s action plan.

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Dead women, dead children.....Jews at Auchwitz? No, Dead kids in the Gaza
Concentration Camp. No food, no water, no hope, no electricity, no water.
Goddamned Genocide....

I'm seeing napalm popping off. Trying to kill Hamas, my ass. Trying to
kill them all.

**** you and your goddamned Zionist murderers.

**** the Zionist US government for supporting genocide.

Hitler should have killed them all.


yeah, right Larry, who shipped in more than 8000 tons of humanitarian
aid since the end of the "cease fire"? Ooops, that would be those
Zionist murderers from Israel,,,,,, how much from the Arab
Brethren,,,,, zip, nada, nothing,,,,, who's supporting genocide,,,,


you are an idiot.

Martin

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"jeff" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:44:08 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
said:

thou shall
not suffer a witch to live,

Where would I find this little-known verse?

In the Bible, of course. It isn't "little-known" by any serious reader
since there are a number of situations that refer back to it. In the
ancient Hebrew world there was little doubt that witchcraft was
effective, but it was considered an insult to God.

Specifically, its Exodus 22:18 in the King James. In the Hebrew (JPS)
Bible its Exodus 22:17, just between "seducing a virgin for whom the
bride-price has not been paid" and "lies with a beast."


I believe it's a mis-translation.

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There's certainly plenty of those in the KJV, but it is what it is. Likewise
with the Qur'an -- any translation is only a translation, and fails to
capture the exact meaning of the original Arabic text. Personally, I feel
that if God has a message for me, it will be given in language that I
understand, no translations necessary.

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"jeff" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:44:08 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
said:

thou shall
not suffer a witch to live,

Where would I find this little-known verse?

In the Bible, of course. It isn't "little-known" by any serious reader
since there are a number of situations that refer back to it. In the
ancient Hebrew world there was little doubt that witchcraft was
effective, but it was considered an insult to God.

Specifically, its Exodus 22:18 in the King James. In the Hebrew (JPS)
Bible its Exodus 22:17, just between "seducing a virgin for whom the
bride-price has not been paid" and "lies with a beast."


I believe it's a mis-translation.

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There's certainly plenty of those in the KJV, but it is what it is.
Likewise with the Qur'an -- any translation is only a translation, and
fails to capture the exact meaning of the original Arabic text.
Personally, I feel that if God has a message for me, it will be given in
language that I understand, no translations necessary.



Like last week? She told me to f*ck off.

Oh sorry, that was a goddess.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
"jeff" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:44:08 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
said:

thou shall
not suffer a witch to live,

Where would I find this little-known verse?

In the Bible, of course. It isn't "little-known" by any serious reader
since there are a number of situations that refer back to it. In the
ancient Hebrew world there was little doubt that witchcraft was
effective, but it was considered an insult to God.

Specifically, its Exodus 22:18 in the King James. In the Hebrew (JPS)
Bible its Exodus 22:17, just between "seducing a virgin for whom the
bride-price has not been paid" and "lies with a beast."


I believe it's a mis-translation.

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There's certainly plenty of those in the KJV, but it is what it is.
Likewise with the Qur'an -- any translation is only a translation, and
fails to capture the exact meaning of the original Arabic text.
Personally, I feel that if God has a message for me, it will be given in
language that I understand, no translations necessary.



Like last week? She told me to f*ck off.

Oh sorry, that was a goddess.

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Now that's what I call a clear message. lol

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On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:52:11 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
I don't think you've read it. I have. It's not about violence any more
than
is the bible.


Sorry about your misconceptions. I lived for nearly 20 years in the
largest Moslem nation in the world and read the Koran several times.
Your statement that it is no more violent then the Christian Bible is
true however the Bible is rather emphatic about things - thou shall
not suffer a witch to live, etc. Read the return to the promised land
after the Egyptian interlude for examples of God's will.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I withdraw my comment that you haven't read it, but I stand by your
confirmation that the bible is no different. If that's the case, then it
seems like my original statement isn't far off. Most Christians don't
believe the bible advocates violence. I believe that most Muslims don't
believe the Koran advocates violence either.

Are you a Muslim? If not, then did you feel yourself to be in danger? FYI,
I've read that many of that religion are offended by the use of Moslem vs.
Muslim. Have you heard of this?

I found a reference on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim.

If the Christian bible doesn't advocates violence I must have read the
wrong book as the one I read was full of violence. Abraham told to
kill his son in Genesis, the plagues in Egypt, the return to the Holy
Land, David ordering the husband to be placed in the front ranks, and
on and on.

But you are correct, in recent years Christians , well most of them
anyway, are disregarding the ugly parts.

The difference is that the Moslems believe that the Koran is literally
"the word of God" as told to Muhammad. Thus to a devote Moslem
everything in the book is true and right.

In addition, the majority of the world's Moslems are from primitive
countries where it is not at all unusual to take drastic actions to
correct perceived wrongs. the Palestinians still practice "honor
murders". Killing a daughter who finds her own boyfriend, for example.
The Saudis still cut off people's hands for theft. Blood feuds abound
in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

When you take this combination of God's Word (from his mouth to your
ear) and a primitive society you have a very volatile situation where
all it takes is a few aggressive Imams to preach the holy war on
Friday.

As far as spelling goes. At least in Indonesia you could (and they do)
spell many religious names various ways. I never had anyone correct me
whether I used Moslem or Muslim. they did object to being called
Mohammedan though.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

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Capt. JG wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:44:08 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
said:

thou shall
not suffer a witch to live,
Where would I find this little-known verse?
In the Bible, of course. It isn't "little-known" by any serious reader
since there are a number of situations that refer back to it. In the
ancient Hebrew world there was little doubt that witchcraft was effective,
but it was considered an insult to God.

Specifically, its Exodus 22:18 in the King James. In the Hebrew (JPS)
Bible its Exodus 22:17, just between "seducing a virgin for whom the
bride-price has not been paid" and "lies with a beast."


I believe it's a mis-translation.

No, its pretty accurate. The closest English to the original Hebrew is
"You shall not let live a sorceress."

The big question is: what qualifies as sorcery? This particular case is
a bit vague, but the injunction is repeated with more specifics in Deut
18:10-11 (from the JPS version): "Let no one be found among you who
consigns his son or daughter to the fire, or who is an augur, a
soothsayer, a diviner, a sorcerer, one who casts spells, or one who
consults ghost or familiar spirits, or one who inquires of the dead."

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On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:50:32 -0500, jeff wrote:

"Let no one be found among you who
consigns his son or daughter to the fire, or who is an augur, a
soothsayer, a diviner, a sorcerer, one who casts spells, or one who
consults ghost or familiar spirits, or one who inquires of the dead."

Sounds like a good start. Now add politicians and lawyers to the list.

Casady

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On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:50:32 -0500, jeff wrote:

Capt. JG wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:44:08 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
said:

thou shall
not suffer a witch to live,
Where would I find this little-known verse?
In the Bible, of course. It isn't "little-known" by any serious reader
since there are a number of situations that refer back to it. In the
ancient Hebrew world there was little doubt that witchcraft was effective,
but it was considered an insult to God.

Specifically, its Exodus 22:18 in the King James. In the Hebrew (JPS)
Bible its Exodus 22:17, just between "seducing a virgin for whom the
bride-price has not been paid" and "lies with a beast."


I believe it's a mis-translation.

No, its pretty accurate. The closest English to the original Hebrew is
"You shall not let live a sorceress."

The big question is: what qualifies as sorcery? This particular case is
a bit vague, but the injunction is repeated with more specifics in Deut
18:10-11 (from the JPS version): "Let no one be found among you who
consigns his son or daughter to the fire, or who is an augur, a
soothsayer, a diviner, a sorcerer, one who casts spells, or one who
consults ghost or familiar spirits, or one who inquires of the dead."

Don't get carried away with miss-translations in the Christian Bible
they are pretty wide spread. The commandment against killing is worded
as a commandment against murder in the Jewish sources. "Thou shall not
commit murder" not "Thou shall not kill".

Anyway, not many have paid any attention to it in the past 2000
years...
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

M/V "Dignity" RAMMED by Israeli Navy gunboat.
 

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:36:36 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:20:57 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:


This is yet again disgusting. You're claiming that everything is a
Zionist plot. That Jews are bad. We get it. Now take it somewhere else.
Your racist attitudes are your own problem, but it seems that's not good
enough. You claimed previously that I have "****ty attitude." Talk about
irony. It's sickening and has no place anywhere except in your own ugly
thoughts.

I don't believe in Zionist plots, but it's difficult to ignore the
similarities between the Gaza strip, and the Warsaw Ghetto.

Are you trying to say that the Jews plan to kill every single
inhabitant of the Gaza Strip? Or did you have some other similarity in
mind?

Casady

M/V "Dignity" RAMMED by Israeli Navy gunboat.
 

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:36:36 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:20:57 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:


This is yet again disgusting. You're claiming that everything is a
Zionist plot. That Jews are bad. We get it. Now take it somewhere else.
Your racist attitudes are your own problem, but it seems that's not good
enough. You claimed previously that I have "****ty attitude." Talk about
irony. It's sickening and has no place anywhere except in your own ugly
thoughts.

I don't believe in Zionist plots, but it's difficult to ignore the
similarities between the Gaza strip, and the Warsaw Ghetto.

Are you trying to say that the Jews plan to kill every single
inhabitant of the Gaza Strip? Or did you have some other similarity in
mind?

Casady


I have a friend who lives in a gated community. I guess that's like Gaza.

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