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Vic Smith wrote in
: Blood lust. Not too different than the other radical Muslims. Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides. These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth. Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then. And hear others' opinions. --Vic Let's try an experiment. I don't know where you live, but let's say it's Florida...... World War 2 is almost over and a small, but financially powerful, group of Seminole Indians want a country all their own. They know they can't get it in America, but they have gotten control of America's currency and worked very hard to help the British to win the war against the Germans with hidden funding, intellegence, and some really dirty tricks. Canada and Britain have promised these Indians that after the war they are going to go into Florida with military force and throw the damned Americans, Cubans and Mexicans out of Florida, kill all the Florida bureaucrats and politicians to shut down all the legal, long-time-operating political systems those damned Americans have put in to run Florida and give the whole damned state to the Seminole Indians after they run all the Floridians out of their homes, businesses and kill as many as necessary to take over Florida, completely. There's a big war for a couple of years as Floridians resisted the British and Canadian military forces and hundreds of thosands of Floridian Freedom Fighters were summarily killed trying to save their state from FOREIGN OCCUPATION. Canada and Britain had no right to do what they did, but they just did it because of this secret deal they had with the Seminoles. Now under British and Canadian military control, the Floridians at least subdued into submission, the new State of Seminolia, run ONLY by Seminole Indians, is founded. Only Seminoles can hold any position of any power to prevent Floridians from ever infiltrating the new state the Brits setup and voting their indian asses out of the country. Seminoles, of course, hate all Floridians, no matter what kind of race they are because they are NOT Seminoles! Seminoles must be a PURE RACE, as they learned from the Nazis in the Third Reich....genocide included. So, the new "State of Seminolia" with its blue and white flag and Seminole religious symbol in the middle to show everybody this is an SEMINOLE ONLY state, starts. Floridians still have that nasty taste in their mouths from being run out of their homes, off their orange groves, out of Dizzy World and left on the street. Do you think Floridians will EVER.....EVER.....stop blowing every Seminole they can get their grubby, slimy hands on all to hell? Shall Floridians just forgive and forget and let the Seminoles have their PROPERTY....their family orange groves forcibly extracted from them at the point of the gun of the British Army? What's different with Palestinians? Why are THEY the perpetrators EVERY time you hear two Americans talking about them blowing up as many Jews as they can possibly get with their car bomb? The answer is quite simple, actually. Those two Americans have been TRAINED, or brainwashed, into thinking Seminoles are GREAT and the finest people on the planet and FLORIDIANS are ANIMALS, because the Seminoles have infiltrated the US government, schools, MEDIA and control all the money. In President McCain's administration, there are dual-citizenship Seminolia-Americans in all the highest position to make SURE noone ever says a discouraging word about Seminolia and brainwashes the new generations of Americans into thinking that Seminolia was a wonderful idea, to hell with the actual TRUTH of what was done, the HISTORICAL FACTS. Every other day, some Floridian sneaks into an Seminolia police station or Seminole mall or past the Seminolia border guards and just blows the **** out of the place, killing 50 Seminoles and their supporters. TV news across the globe reports that "Floridian Terrorists" killed 50 people in Pinellas County just north of St Pete, Seminolia. ================================================== =============== 40 years have passed. Floridian terrorists become more successful at blowing up Seminole Indian settlers in new towns where Floridians used to live in peace with their neighbors, the Georgians. "Enough is Enough", Chief **** in his Pants declares as he orders the now amazingly powerful Seminolia Army and Air Force, the 3rd largest military machine on the planet to CRUSH the Floridian enclave of Jacksonville. Seminolia jets pound Jacksonville relentlessly. Georgians have closed the border crossings not putting the Floridians in a virtual state of siege, no food, no water, no power, no hope. Floridians intensify their home made rocket attacks on St Augustine, killing 4 Seminoles. The world, fearful of Seminole POWER over their currency, media and infiltrated governments, says, "Good riddance to those damned Floridian Terrorists." ........in other news, an Ohio woman has given birth to quads after taking a fertility drug...... Floridians are said to have "Blood Lust" because they still live in tin shacks while the Seminoles live in their houses in Orlando and Ft Myers. Everyone looks the other way, including other American states. The Seminoles are known to possess several NUCLEAR WEAPONS in their secret underground lab in Casselbury, near Orlando, on Seminolia's Army Reserve. The Seminoles continue to build their 700 mile concrete aparthied wall around the areas still controlled by the Floridians they haven't been able to murder......yet. The wall divides Floridian shanty towns from the few orange groves the Floridians still persist in caring for, as they have since Florida was a new state. The wall keeps Floridians away from Seminole children so those children never start asking why they are only allowed to speak to other Seminole children of the superior Seminole religion and race. Seminole children are taught non-Seminoles are all "Goyum" and are just animals for their use. |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
ons: That's already happening and has happened for years. I think you're under the impression that it's monolithic culture. It isn't. Remember who assassinated Rabin? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Bull****, Ganz. They're building a 700 mile long apartheid wall around the Palestinians to contain them and try to starve them all to hell. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier http://www.auphr.org/thewall/ http://www.vtjp.org/background/Separ...all_Report.htm http://www.gush-shalom.org/thewall/ They're doing to the Palestinians EXACTLY what the Nazis were doing to them.....They learned their lesson well. Auchwitz has become HUGE in the Middle East. |
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Steve wrote in news:j2gql45v173p8gn60j6pbmcevulufg73t0@
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Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
: Certainly, who cares about Rhode Island? Better yet, give 'em Miami as it is much the Jewish homeland as Palestine.. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) Miami is proof Jews have all the money..... |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions: Would you please take your racist sh*t somewhere else. This has no place on this newsgroup. It's disgusting. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com HEY! JDL tactic number 4! Congratulations! To take the "racist ****" out of here, we'd have to kill all Israelis, first. |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... Bull****, Ganz. They're building a 700 mile long apartheid wall around the Palestinians to contain them and try to starve them all to hell. trash removed This is yet again disgusting. You're claiming that everything is a Zionist plot. That Jews are bad. We get it. Now take it somewhere else. Your racist attitudes are your own problem, but it seems that's not good enough. You claimed previously that I have "****ty attitude." Talk about irony. It's sickening and has no place anywhere except in your own ugly thoughts. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in easolutions: Would you please take your racist sh*t somewhere else. This has no place on this newsgroup. It's disgusting. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com HEY! JDL tactic number 4! Congratulations! To take the "racist ****" out of here, we'd have to kill all Israelis, first. Well, that pretty much speaks for itself. Good job. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Steve wrote:
Hamas isn't be hurt here. It's being helped. Israel has been fighting the same war, the same way, for 50 years. Slow learners? Israel's goal is to survive. All of their neighbors either are now or have been in the recent past dedicated to Israel's destruction. Israel is still around. So whatever they're doing is working and they should keep doing it. They're not doing anything worse than anyone else would do in their situation. In fact, they've been showing great restraint compared to what most would do in their situation. Jeesh, Palestinian to Israeli mortality is running at 100 to 1, who's the slow learner? Cheers Martin |
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On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:20:57 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:
This is yet again disgusting. You're claiming that everything is a Zionist plot. That Jews are bad. We get it. Now take it somewhere else. Your racist attitudes are your own problem, but it seems that's not good enough. You claimed previously that I have "****ty attitude." Talk about irony. It's sickening and has no place anywhere except in your own ugly thoughts. I don't believe in Zionist plots, but it's difficult to ignore the similarities between the Gaza strip, and the Warsaw Ghetto. |
Seminolia hit by Floridian Rockets
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:02:48 +0000, Larry wrote: Vic Smith wrote in : Blood lust. Not too different than the other radical Muslims. Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides. These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth. Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then. And hear others' opinions. --Vic Let's try an experiment. I don't know where you live, but let's say it's Florida...... World War 2 is almost over and a small, but financially powerful, group of Seminole Indians want a country all their own. They know they can't get it in America, but they have gotten control of America's currency and worked very hard to help the British to win the war against the Germans with hidden funding, intellegence, and some really dirty tricks. Canada and Britain have promised these Indians that after the war they are going to go into Florida with military force and throw the damned Larry, when you give all of your posessions (property, house, everything else you own) back to the INDIANS who had their land taken away from them so you can own it and you move back to Europe or wherever your forfathers emigrated from, then you may have a single iota of credability on this subject. Until then, you're just blowing smoke signals. Steve |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...121412669439.h tml trying to deliver much needed medical supplies to Gaza through the Israeli Blockade.....IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS.....nothing new for the Zionists: http://www.gtr5.com/ Accident my ass...... Larry, obviously you don't have the "faith" that makes it ok for those azzholes to do whatever they want. "Faith" is why the USG allows them a huge Lobbist group and why the USG sends more aid money to them than the rest combined while they sell our military secrets to the Chinese. |
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Vic Smith wrote:
Though I can't disagree with anything you've said, I do think the Israeli jews believe they will be slaughtered, or exiled from Israel should they treat Palestinians like we in the U.S. treat Mexicans or blacks. I'm not sure of that, but if were an Israeli I suspect I would take that tack. Though we've been multicultural throughout our history, there is plenty of opposition here in the U.S. to letting the language aspect of multiculturalism bleed into everyday life. I get a bit ****ed every time I'm asked to choose 1 or 2 on the phone. Wouldn't think of moving to Mexico and conducting business on the phone without speaking Spanish. So I'm sure we agree on some things. My support for the Palestinians dried up when Israel finally withdrew from the occupied territories and I saw the result. Not a damned thing changed. Blood lust. Not too different than the other radical Muslims. Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides. These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth. Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then. And hear others' opinions. The reasoning you give for the Jews demanding an essentially ethnically clean State is the one that Israelis living here have said to me. Their argument is identical to the whites in South Africa before the black takeover. They won't live in a non-Jewish (non white when it comes to SA) state. Why? Would those same Jews demand that no area, no voting district, no precinct in the US be less than 51% white? The problem, as I understand it, with the areas now in fully Palestinian hands is that there are no ways to make a living there. There is no industry. No capital. Nothing. Sure, many impoverished Jews showed up in Israel during the past 60 years (or more) but they were sponsored by wealthy Jews from other lands such as Britain and the USA. What causes radical Muslims? Part of it must be that there is nothing for them to lose in this world so they become easy to convince that their payoff is in taking out a few Jews rather than living a welfare life in some camp forever. Look at these guys as being Mexicans peering across the border to a prosperous land they wish to enter & work in. They can't because they are caged up, wall up and patrolled with machine guns. I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these guys. Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't looking at the entire picture. |
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Capt. JG wrote:
Ethnically pure? Ummm.... I don't think so. There are many non-Jews who are Israeli citizens. They may not have as much of an impact as do the ethnical Jews, but they are part of the politics. They've also assimilated Ethiopians and other ethnic minorities. Oh, please. They are, at best, second or third class citizens. How much representation to they have in the Knesset? Take your idiotic liberal pretensions somewhere else. No room for this where reason exists. |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message ... Bull****, Ganz. They're building a 700 mile long apartheid wall around the Palestinians to contain them and try to starve them all to hell. trash removed This is yet again disgusting. You're claiming that everything is a Zionist plot. That Jews are bad. We get it. Now take it somewhere else. Your racist attitudes are your own problem, but it seems that's not good enough. You claimed previously that I have "****ty attitude." Talk about irony. It's sickening and has no place anywhere except in your own ugly thoughts. Uh, the wall, the machine guns, the lack of any representation within the Knesset - those are, if mentioned, just more Antisemitism. |
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Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:31:13 -0700, slide But there large numbers of Arabs living and working inside Israel. Wasn't one of the big complaints about the "wall" that it was "hard to get to work"? They are essentially green card guest workers brought in to clean the bathrooms of the ruling class Jews. They have no political power. It's like colored guys in the US, 1920's. They were 10% of the population but 0% of the political power structure. |
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"TheRealSteve" wrote in message
... On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:02:48 +0000, Larry wrote: Vic Smith wrote in m: Blood lust. Not too different than the other radical Muslims. Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides. These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth. Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then. And hear others' opinions. --Vic Let's try an experiment. I don't know where you live, but let's say it's Florida...... World War 2 is almost over and a small, but financially powerful, group of Seminole Indians want a country all their own. They know they can't get it in America, but they have gotten control of America's currency and worked very hard to help the British to win the war against the Germans with hidden funding, intellegence, and some really dirty tricks. Canada and Britain have promised these Indians that after the war they are going to go into Florida with military force and throw the damned Larry, when you give all of your posessions (property, house, everything else you own) back to the INDIANS who had their land taken away from them so you can own it and you move back to Europe or wherever your forfathers emigrated from, then you may have a single iota of credability on this subject. Until then, you're just blowing smoke signals. Steve Nah... we pay reparations with alcohol. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"slide" wrote in message
... Vic Smith wrote: Though I can't disagree with anything you've said, I do think the Israeli jews believe they will be slaughtered, or exiled from Israel should they treat Palestinians like we in the U.S. treat Mexicans or blacks. I'm not sure of that, but if were an Israeli I suspect I would take that tack. Though we've been multicultural throughout our history, there is plenty of opposition here in the U.S. to letting the language aspect of multiculturalism bleed into everyday life. I get a bit ****ed every time I'm asked to choose 1 or 2 on the phone. Wouldn't think of moving to Mexico and conducting business on the phone without speaking Spanish. So I'm sure we agree on some things. My support for the Palestinians dried up when Israel finally withdrew from the occupied territories and I saw the result. Not a damned thing changed. Blood lust. Not too different than the other radical Muslims. Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides. These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth. Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then. And hear others' opinions. The reasoning you give for the Jews demanding an essentially ethnically clean State is the one that Israelis living here have said to me. Their argument is identical to the whites in South Africa before the black takeover. They won't live in a non-Jewish (non white when it comes to SA) state. Why? Would those same Jews demand that no area, no voting district, no precinct in the US be less than 51% white? The problem, as I understand it, with the areas now in fully Palestinian hands is that there are no ways to make a living there. There is no industry. No capital. Nothing. Sure, many impoverished Jews showed up in Israel during the past 60 years (or more) but they were sponsored by wealthy Jews from other lands such as Britain and the USA. What causes radical Muslims? Part of it must be that there is nothing for them to lose in this world so they become easy to convince that their payoff is in taking out a few Jews rather than living a welfare life in some camp forever. Look at these guys as being Mexicans peering across the border to a prosperous land they wish to enter & work in. They can't because they are caged up, wall up and patrolled with machine guns. I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these guys. Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't looking at the entire picture. I agree... we're not looking at the entire picture. We need to be a relatively unbiased broker if we want to help resolve the conflict. However, your statement that all the people who immigrated to Israel with sponsored by the wealthy is false. I know for a fact that's false, since I have some very unwealthy friends who moved there on their own, struggled for years, and finally became what we would call middle class. There are Palestinian Israelis who own businesses and have money... not as many as there are Jewish Israelis certainly. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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t... On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:20:57 -0800, Capt. JG wrote: This is yet again disgusting. You're claiming that everything is a Zionist plot. That Jews are bad. We get it. Now take it somewhere else. Your racist attitudes are your own problem, but it seems that's not good enough. You claimed previously that I have "****ty attitude." Talk about irony. It's sickening and has no place anywhere except in your own ugly thoughts. I don't believe in Zionist plots, but it's difficult to ignore the similarities between the Gaza strip, and the Warsaw Ghetto. It's easy to find similarities to many things if you look close enough. They are in no way comparable. It's a gross misstatement. Gaza is a terrible place, but it's not a walled in concentration camp. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"slide" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... Bull****, Ganz. They're building a 700 mile long apartheid wall around the Palestinians to contain them and try to starve them all to hell. trash removed This is yet again disgusting. You're claiming that everything is a Zionist plot. That Jews are bad. We get it. Now take it somewhere else. Your racist attitudes are your own problem, but it seems that's not good enough. You claimed previously that I have "****ty attitude." Talk about irony. It's sickening and has no place anywhere except in your own ugly thoughts. Uh, the wall, the machine guns, the lack of any representation within the Knesset - those are, if mentioned, just more Antisemitism. Not at all. Those should be up for discussion and should be, must be resolved. The difference is that Larry cries Zionistist plots and spews anti-Jewish statements whenever he pleases. He's got the right to do that, but I have just as much right to call him on it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"slide" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: Ethnically pure? Ummm.... I don't think so. There are many non-Jews who are Israeli citizens. They may not have as much of an impact as do the ethnical Jews, but they are part of the politics. They've also assimilated Ethiopians and other ethnic minorities. Oh, please. They are, at best, second or third class citizens. How much representation to they have in the Knesset? Take your idiotic liberal pretensions somewhere else. No room for this where reason exists. But, they're not being executed because they're not Jewish. Take your right-wing reactionary bs elsewhere. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"slide" wrote in message
... Bruce In Bangkok wrote: On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:31:13 -0700, slide But there large numbers of Arabs living and working inside Israel. Wasn't one of the big complaints about the "wall" that it was "hard to get to work"? They are essentially green card guest workers brought in to clean the bathrooms of the ruling class Jews. They have no political power. It's like colored guys in the US, 1920's. They were 10% of the population but 0% of the political power structure. And now one of them is soon to be our President! Shocking! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"mmc" wrote in message
g.com... "Larry" wrote in message ... http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...121412669439.h tml trying to deliver much needed medical supplies to Gaza through the Israeli Blockade.....IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS.....nothing new for the Zionists: http://www.gtr5.com/ Accident my ass...... Larry, obviously you don't have the "faith" that makes it ok for those azzholes to do whatever they want. "Faith" is why the USG allows them a huge Lobbist group and why the USG sends more aid money to them than the rest combined while they sell our military secrets to the Chinese. We also give nearly as much to Egypt, and we suck on the Saudi oil tit directly with no intermediary. Do you know the rules for lobbists? http://www.cleanupwashington.org/lob....cfm?pageid=39 -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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slide wrote:
Vic Smith wrote: Though I can't disagree with anything you've said, I do think the Israeli jews believe they will be slaughtered, or exiled from Israel should they treat Palestinians like we in the U.S. treat Mexicans or blacks. I'm not sure of that, but if were an Israeli I suspect I would take that tack. Though we've been multicultural throughout our history, there is plenty of opposition here in the U.S. to letting the language aspect of multiculturalism bleed into everyday life. I get a bit ****ed every time I'm asked to choose 1 or 2 on the phone. Wouldn't think of moving to Mexico and conducting business on the phone without speaking Spanish. So I'm sure we agree on some things. My support for the Palestinians dried up when Israel finally withdrew from the occupied territories and I saw the result. Not a damned thing changed. Blood lust. Not too different than the other radical Muslims. Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides. These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth. Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then. And hear others' opinions. The reasoning you give for the Jews demanding an essentially ethnically clean State is the one that Israelis living here have said to me. Their argument is identical to the whites in South Africa before the black takeover. They won't live in a non-Jewish (non white when it comes to SA) state. Why? Would those same Jews demand that no area, no voting district, no precinct in the US be less than 51% white? The problem, as I understand it, with the areas now in fully Palestinian hands is that there are no ways to make a living there. There is no industry. No capital. Nothing. Sure, many impoverished Jews showed up in Israel during the past 60 years (or more) but they were sponsored by wealthy Jews from other lands such as Britain and the USA. What causes radical Muslims? Part of it must be that there is nothing for them to lose in this world so they become easy to convince that their payoff is in taking out a few Jews rather than living a welfare life in some camp forever. Look at these guys as being Mexicans peering across the border to a prosperous land they wish to enter & work in. They can't because they are caged up, wall up and patrolled with machine guns. I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these guys. Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't looking at the entire picture. Part of the entire picture is that Israel has created a secular, democratic, free society that is very attractive to many if only because it is so rare in that area. Israel, while not perfect, is a shining beacon of morality and opportunity and that is the biggest reason radical Islam wants it destroyed. It is also the biggest reason it is our duty to help defend it. Stephen |
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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
... slide wrote: Vic Smith wrote: Though I can't disagree with anything you've said, I do think the Israeli jews believe they will be slaughtered, or exiled from Israel should they treat Palestinians like we in the U.S. treat Mexicans or blacks. I'm not sure of that, but if were an Israeli I suspect I would take that tack. Though we've been multicultural throughout our history, there is plenty of opposition here in the U.S. to letting the language aspect of multiculturalism bleed into everyday life. I get a bit ****ed every time I'm asked to choose 1 or 2 on the phone. Wouldn't think of moving to Mexico and conducting business on the phone without speaking Spanish. So I'm sure we agree on some things. My support for the Palestinians dried up when Israel finally withdrew from the occupied territories and I saw the result. Not a damned thing changed. Blood lust. Not too different than the other radical Muslims. Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides. These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth. Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then. And hear others' opinions. The reasoning you give for the Jews demanding an essentially ethnically clean State is the one that Israelis living here have said to me. Their argument is identical to the whites in South Africa before the black takeover. They won't live in a non-Jewish (non white when it comes to SA) state. Why? Would those same Jews demand that no area, no voting district, no precinct in the US be less than 51% white? The problem, as I understand it, with the areas now in fully Palestinian hands is that there are no ways to make a living there. There is no industry. No capital. Nothing. Sure, many impoverished Jews showed up in Israel during the past 60 years (or more) but they were sponsored by wealthy Jews from other lands such as Britain and the USA. What causes radical Muslims? Part of it must be that there is nothing for them to lose in this world so they become easy to convince that their payoff is in taking out a few Jews rather than living a welfare life in some camp forever. Look at these guys as being Mexicans peering across the border to a prosperous land they wish to enter & work in. They can't because they are caged up, wall up and patrolled with machine guns. I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these guys. Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't looking at the entire picture. Part of the entire picture is that Israel has created a secular, democratic, free society that is very attractive to many if only because it is so rare in that area. Israel, while not perfect, is a shining beacon of morality and opportunity and that is the biggest reason radical Islam wants it destroyed. It is also the biggest reason it is our duty to help defend it. Stephen Whew.. I don't usually agree with you, but your comments (taken with the appropriately size grains of salt) I mostly agree with. My editing... the society is mostly secular, but not completely, since it is the "Jewish State," it is democratic, and as "free" as you can get, given that there are things like a compulsary draft, it is certainly not perfect, neither with the freedoms it embodies nor with its morality, but it's the best one we've got in the neighborhood. Even Nixon agreed we needed to defend it. But, it's like saying that one should defend one's mother, drunk or sober. We need to be push Israel to do more for the Palestinians, just as we must defend her against police states, such as Syria. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... slide wrote: Vic Smith wrote: Though I can't disagree with anything you've said, I do think the Israeli jews believe they will be slaughtered, or exiled from Israel should they treat Palestinians like we in the U.S. treat Mexicans or blacks. I'm not sure of that, but if were an Israeli I suspect I would take that tack. Though we've been multicultural throughout our history, there is plenty of opposition here in the U.S. to letting the language aspect of multiculturalism bleed into everyday life. I get a bit ****ed every time I'm asked to choose 1 or 2 on the phone. Wouldn't think of moving to Mexico and conducting business on the phone without speaking Spanish. So I'm sure we agree on some things. My support for the Palestinians dried up when Israel finally withdrew from the occupied territories and I saw the result. Not a damned thing changed. Blood lust. Not too different than the other radical Muslims. Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides. These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth. Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then. And hear others' opinions. The reasoning you give for the Jews demanding an essentially ethnically clean State is the one that Israelis living here have said to me. Their argument is identical to the whites in South Africa before the black takeover. They won't live in a non-Jewish (non white when it comes to SA) state. Why? Would those same Jews demand that no area, no voting district, no precinct in the US be less than 51% white? The problem, as I understand it, with the areas now in fully Palestinian hands is that there are no ways to make a living there. There is no industry. No capital. Nothing. Sure, many impoverished Jews showed up in Israel during the past 60 years (or more) but they were sponsored by wealthy Jews from other lands such as Britain and the USA. What causes radical Muslims? Part of it must be that there is nothing for them to lose in this world so they become easy to convince that their payoff is in taking out a few Jews rather than living a welfare life in some camp forever. Look at these guys as being Mexicans peering across the border to a prosperous land they wish to enter & work in. They can't because they are caged up, wall up and patrolled with machine guns. I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these guys. Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't looking at the entire picture. Part of the entire picture is that Israel has created a secular, democratic, free society that is very attractive to many if only because it is so rare in that area. Israel, while not perfect, is a shining beacon of morality and opportunity and that is the biggest reason radical Islam wants it destroyed. It is also the biggest reason it is our duty to help defend it. Stephen Whew.. I don't usually agree with you, but your comments (taken with the appropriately size grains of salt) I mostly agree with. My editing... the society is mostly secular, but not completely, since it is the "Jewish State," I was watching a program about the best commercials of the year and there was a commercial from Israel with crazy dancing rabbis saying that HD TV was so good you'd go to hell for watching it. That qualifies as secular enough IMO. Stephen |
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:05:09 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:
I don't believe in Zionist plots, but it's difficult to ignore the similarities between the Gaza strip, and the Warsaw Ghetto. It's easy to find similarities to many things if you look close enough. They are in no way comparable. It's a gross misstatement. Gaza is a terrible place, but it's not a walled in concentration camp. They're not comparable? Open your eyes. They are both walled in, movement of civilians is strictly controlled, food, fuel, medicine, strictly controlled. Gaza is a prison in which women, children, and other innocent civilians are forced to live. No way around it, the oppressed have become the oppressors. |
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Stephen Trapani wrote:
I was watching a program about the best commercials of the year and there was a commercial from Israel with crazy dancing rabbis saying that HD TV was so good you'd go to hell for watching it. That qualifies as secular enough IMO. Here it is! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcZHZN8f_v8 Stephen |
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In article , Steve wrote:
Israel's goal is to survive. All of their neighbors either are now or have been in the recent past dedicated to Israel's destruction. Israel is still around. So whatever they're doing is working and they should keep doing it. They're not doing anything worse than anyone else would do in their situation. In fact, they've been showing great restraint compared to what most would do in their situation. Their enemies have lots of allies nearby, I think restraint is prudent. Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. |
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Stephen Trapani wrote:
I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these guys. Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't looking at the entire picture. Part of the entire picture is that Israel has created a secular, democratic, free society that is very attractive to many if only because it is so rare in that area. Israel, while not perfect, is a shining beacon of morality and opportunity and that is the biggest reason radical Islam wants it destroyed. It is also the biggest reason it is our duty to help defend it. But you see, Stephen, that's not accurate aside from the Israeli press releases. South Africa created a secular, democratic, free society too - for whites. Israel has done the same -- for Jews. Also it is NOT secular. Don't believe me? Well, try for a pork rib dinner in Tel Aviv and then report back your findings. It's anything but a secular state. Jews today just aren't nearly as offensive culturally as many find Arabs, that's all but the secularism just is not there. |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"slide" wrote in message I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these guys. Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't looking at the entire picture. I agree... we're not looking at the entire picture. We need to be a relatively unbiased broker if we want to help resolve the conflict. However, your statement that all the people who immigrated to Israel with sponsored by the wealthy is false. I know for a fact that's false, since I have some very unwealthy friends who moved there on their own, struggled for years, and finally became what we would call middle class. There are Palestinian Israelis who own businesses and have money... not as many as there are Jewish Israelis certainly. There are many unbiased brokers but neither side will abide by their decisions or even sit down with them. I can nominate Finland or Norway as two good candidates for neutrality. The problem is (I've spoken to many Israelis here) that the Jews believe themselves to be a special case. They don't see any inconsistency between demanding racial integration for the US or South Africa but refusing it for Israel because it means 'national survival'. That is, in time, the Arab would be more than 50% of the population and out vote the Jew - which they welcome in South Africa but won't stand for at home. Even before then, if the Arab could have members in the Knesset, the Jews would have to deal them in for consideration in policy. Clearly the Jews are utterly unwilling to do that - again national survival. If I push it, then they throw the German Exterminations in my face which tends to be a discussion stopper. The Arab is probably as bad in he feels like his home was taken from him by greedy Jews backed by the evil USA & UK. How accurate is that? I can't say but the Arab says they are victims and the Jews say they are the victimizer. By this time both sides have outraged the other so often that either can make a case for exterminating the other. |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"slide" wrote in message Uh, the wall, the machine guns, the lack of any representation within the Knesset - those are, if mentioned, just more Antisemitism. Not at all. Those should be up for discussion and should be, must be resolved. The difference is that Larry cries Zionistist plots and spews anti-Jewish statements whenever he pleases. He's got the right to do that, but I have just as much right to call him on it. I'm not Larry & I see no Zoinist plots here. What I do see is a society which excludes due to race or religion and the refusal of the ruling class to even discuss the matter. |
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:31:52 -0700, slide
wrote: Vic Smith wrote: Though I can't disagree with anything you've said, I do think the Israeli jews believe they will be slaughtered, or exiled from Israel should they treat Palestinians like we in the U.S. treat Mexicans or blacks. I'm not sure of that, but if were an Israeli I suspect I would take that tack. Though we've been multicultural throughout our history, there is plenty of opposition here in the U.S. to letting the language aspect of multiculturalism bleed into everyday life. I get a bit ****ed every time I'm asked to choose 1 or 2 on the phone. Wouldn't think of moving to Mexico and conducting business on the phone without speaking Spanish. So I'm sure we agree on some things. My support for the Palestinians dried up when Israel finally withdrew from the occupied territories and I saw the result. Not a damned thing changed. Blood lust. Not too different than the other radical Muslims. Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides. These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth. Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then. And hear others' opinions. The reasoning you give for the Jews demanding an essentially ethnically clean State is the one that Israelis living here have said to me. Their argument is identical to the whites in South Africa before the black takeover. They won't live in a non-Jewish (non white when it comes to SA) state. There are parallels, but Rhodesia might be a better example of the end result. And I actually think the Muslim/Jew divide in that area of the globe is greater than the black/white divide anywhere. There are also historical "homeland" elements which are quite different. Why? Would those same Jews demand that no area, no voting district, no precinct in the US be less than 51% white? I don't like it. I just don't see any other answer for the Israelis from their view. I really don't think they are happy with it philosophically, but see it in simple survival terms. The problem, as I understand it, with the areas now in fully Palestinian hands is that there are no ways to make a living there. There is no industry. No capital. Nothing. Sure, many impoverished Jews showed up in Israel during the past 60 years (or more) but they were sponsored by wealthy Jews from other lands such as Britain and the USA. As I recall it, after the Israeli withdrawal from occupied territories, and before the wall and checkpoints, there were numerous suicide bombings. What's the solution to that? What causes radical Muslims? Part of it must be that there is nothing for them to lose in this world so they become easy to convince that their payoff is in taking out a few Jews rather than living a welfare life in some camp forever. Look at these guys as being Mexicans peering across the border to a prosperous land they wish to enter & work in. They can't because they are caged up, wall up and patrolled with machine guns. Somebody has already mentioned the democracy aspect. Mexico has a democracy. The Palestinian democracy elected Hamas to lead. There are so many differences in the situations, that drawing parallels is practically fruitless. Israel basically stands alone. Throw in Iran, the Sunni Jew/Christian-hating sects, etc, etc., and it only gets worse. The root of the problem isn't Israel, it's Muslim theocracy. My opinion. I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these guys. Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't looking at the entire picture. I used to think the U.S. could solve this by taking an even-handed approach, and threaten U.S. retaliation against whichever side broke agreements. Lay down some equitable standards both side would agree to and all would be well. Sharon's expansion of settlements into the West Bank and Gaza really ****ed me off. I was happy - and surprised - to see the Israelis pull out. Wasn't a PM assassinated by an Israeli extremist because of that? Sorry, I'm a bit tired of even keeping up. In any case, I'm sure the Israelis would like to live in peace. The Arabs will not allow it. Again, I might be wrong. But this is one of the few things where I just can't draw on my inherent optimism. I can feel the blood lust on both sides. --Vic |
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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... slide wrote: Vic Smith wrote: Though I can't disagree with anything you've said, I do think the Israeli jews believe they will be slaughtered, or exiled from Israel should they treat Palestinians like we in the U.S. treat Mexicans or blacks. I'm not sure of that, but if were an Israeli I suspect I would take that tack. Though we've been multicultural throughout our history, there is plenty of opposition here in the U.S. to letting the language aspect of multiculturalism bleed into everyday life. I get a bit ****ed every time I'm asked to choose 1 or 2 on the phone. Wouldn't think of moving to Mexico and conducting business on the phone without speaking Spanish. So I'm sure we agree on some things. My support for the Palestinians dried up when Israel finally withdrew from the occupied territories and I saw the result. Not a damned thing changed. Blood lust. Not too different than the other radical Muslims. Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides. These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth. Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then. And hear others' opinions. The reasoning you give for the Jews demanding an essentially ethnically clean State is the one that Israelis living here have said to me. Their argument is identical to the whites in South Africa before the black takeover. They won't live in a non-Jewish (non white when it comes to SA) state. Why? Would those same Jews demand that no area, no voting district, no precinct in the US be less than 51% white? The problem, as I understand it, with the areas now in fully Palestinian hands is that there are no ways to make a living there. There is no industry. No capital. Nothing. Sure, many impoverished Jews showed up in Israel during the past 60 years (or more) but they were sponsored by wealthy Jews from other lands such as Britain and the USA. What causes radical Muslims? Part of it must be that there is nothing for them to lose in this world so they become easy to convince that their payoff is in taking out a few Jews rather than living a welfare life in some camp forever. Look at these guys as being Mexicans peering across the border to a prosperous land they wish to enter & work in. They can't because they are caged up, wall up and patrolled with machine guns. I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these guys. Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't looking at the entire picture. Part of the entire picture is that Israel has created a secular, democratic, free society that is very attractive to many if only because it is so rare in that area. Israel, while not perfect, is a shining beacon of morality and opportunity and that is the biggest reason radical Islam wants it destroyed. It is also the biggest reason it is our duty to help defend it. Stephen Whew.. I don't usually agree with you, but your comments (taken with the appropriately size grains of salt) I mostly agree with. My editing... the society is mostly secular, but not completely, since it is the "Jewish State," I was watching a program about the best commercials of the year and there was a commercial from Israel with crazy dancing rabbis saying that HD TV was so good you'd go to hell for watching it. That qualifies as secular enough IMO. Stephen Now that's funny! Thanks... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:13:37 -0800, "Capt. JG" said: it is democratic, and as "free" as you can get, given that there are things like a compulsary draft Interesting comment. So a country without an all volunteer military is not by your lights free. I guess not. I don't know. Are we a free country? I think it's unclear what constitutes free... lots of gradations. Is the current Russia a free country? Is China? Compared to Syria, Israel is a free country. Compared to Iceland? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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t... On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:05:09 -0800, Capt. JG wrote: I don't believe in Zionist plots, but it's difficult to ignore the similarities between the Gaza strip, and the Warsaw Ghetto. It's easy to find similarities to many things if you look close enough. They are in no way comparable. It's a gross misstatement. Gaza is a terrible place, but it's not a walled in concentration camp. They're not comparable? Open your eyes. They are both walled in, movement of civilians is strictly controlled, food, fuel, medicine, strictly controlled. Gaza is a prison in which women, children, and other innocent civilians are forced to live. No way around it, the oppressed have become the oppressors. Come on... Germany eliminated the ghetto.. liquidated it. You would be hard-pressed to find even an extremist zionist to advocate that. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"slide" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "slide" wrote in message Uh, the wall, the machine guns, the lack of any representation within the Knesset - those are, if mentioned, just more Antisemitism. Not at all. Those should be up for discussion and should be, must be resolved. The difference is that Larry cries Zionistist plots and spews anti-Jewish statements whenever he pleases. He's got the right to do that, but I have just as much right to call him on it. I'm not Larry & I see no Zoinist plots here. What I do see is a society which excludes due to race or religion and the refusal of the ruling class to even discuss the matter. It's discussed all the time. The perhaps dismiss it, but it's an ongoing discussion in Israeli society. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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