We gave up on rational discussion when Jax entered.

no, jeffies, you gave up on rational discussion when you stated that catamarans
are "unconditionally stable".

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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We gave up on rational discussion when Jax entered.

no, jeffies, you gave up on rational discussion when you stated that
catamarans
are "unconditionally stable".

I think this proves my point. Jax is so irrational that he didn't notice that I
didn't comment at all on catamaran stability; it wasn't me that made the comment
on "unconditionally stable" and I'm not sure what it means. I would guess,
though, that Chris was talking about cat designs like the Prout which due to a
very conservative design have a virtually perfect safety record: no capsizes, no
sinkings, 5000 built, more circumnavigations than any other brand of sailboat.

Frankly, while jax babbles about theory (getting it wrong, of course), makes up
"statistics," and posts links about 40 year old designs and beach cats, I'm
content that the actual number of modern cruising cats capsizing is less than 5
in the last 10 years or so, with well over 10,000 built.

jeffies proves my point:

[nevermind jeffies motors around on a two-huller "because his wife is scared"


no, jeffies, you gave up on rational discussion when you stated that
catamarans
are "unconditionally stable".

I think this proves my point. Jax is so irrational that he didn't notice
that I
didn't comment at all on catamaran stability; it wasn't me that made the
comment
on "unconditionally stable" and I'm not sure what it means. I would guess,
though, that Chris was talking about cat designs like the Prout which due to
a
very conservative design have a virtually perfect safety record: no capsizes,
no
sinkings, 5000 built, more circumnavigations than any other brand of
sailboat.

Frankly, while jax babbles about theory (getting it wrong, of course), makes
up
"statistics," and posts links about 40 year old designs and beach cats, I'm
content that the actual number of modern cruising cats capsizing is less than
5
in the last 10 years or so, with well over 10,000 built.

I'm
content that the actual number of modern cruising cats capsizing is less
than
5
in the last 10 years or so, with well over 10,000 built.

not many people beside jeffies consider a Hobie cat to be a cruising boat. Not
many people beside jeffies consider 1950's to be "10 years or so" ago.

On 25 May 2004 02:38:16 GMT, something compelled
(JAXAshby), to say:

jeffies proves my point:

[nevermind jeffies motors around on a two-huller "because his wife is scared"

And the problem with this approach is . . . ?

[nevermind jeffies motors around on a two-huller "because his wife is
scared"

And the problem with this approach is . . . ?

you missed the point, steve dan. jeffies -- like a high percentage of training
wheels drivers -- *say* it is "the wife" who is scared, it is in fact the boat
owner who is terrified. I learned that at the grade school dinner table from a
man -- my father -- with long term experience in the industry.

when a man is scarred to death of a boats, but doesn't wish to admit it for
fear of seeming unmanly, he will go to HUGE lengths to cover his tracks.
Including stupid things such as a cruising catamaran is "unconditionally
stable".

(JAXAshby) wrote:

[nevermind jeffies motors around on a two-huller "because his wife is
scared"

And the problem with this approach is . . . ?

you missed the point, steve dan. jeffies -- like a high percentage of training
wheels drivers -- *say* it is "the wife" who is scared, it is in fact the boat
owner who is terrified. I learned that at the grade school dinner table from a
man -- my father -- with long term experience in the industry.

Bravery is doing something even though you are scared. You get no
points for doing anything that doesn't scare you.

when a man is scarred to death of a boats, but doesn't wish to admit it for
fear of seeming unmanly, he will go to HUGE lengths to cover his tracks.
Including stupid things such as a cruising catamaran is "unconditionally
stable".

In some cultures, saying that the wife is scared is called 'saving
face'. If the wife doesn't mind, why should you care?

People of both sexes are unwilling to admit that they are scared of
various things. I'd venture to say that everyone is afraid of
something. With some people it is a boat that heels. So what?




grandma Rosalie

On Tue, 25 May 2004 11:49:57 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:

People of both sexes are unwilling to admit that they are scared of
various things. I'd venture to say that everyone is afraid of
something. With some people it is a boat that heels. So what?


I'm scared of spiders :-/


Cheers!


Remco

Bravery is doing something even though you are scared. You get no
points for doing anything that doesn't scare you.

I have done things others said later were brave. They were wrong. I did
things a mite more dangerous this very moment that improved the chance of my
ass still being alive 30 minutes late.

Anyone who sails, or races vehicles, or climbs mountains or flies airplane, on
bravery/courage is absolutely sure to crash and crash soon. running on courage
means you are running beyond your known capability.

In some cultures, saying that the wife is scared is called 'saving
face'.

some call that "saving face" while others call it "lying through one's teeth".

in any event, claiming that one's own fears define the physical reality of the
rest of the world is specious.