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jeffies, go to amazon.com and check out the books. you wanna convince yourself
that no way in hell can you die on a two-huller and are likely to die on a
mono, go ahead. but for god's sakes STOP telling that to newbee's. they might
believe you and injure themselves following your advice.

now, about a cat need LESS wind force to tilt each and every next degree right
up to the time it gets to about 30* tilt when it turns turtle, well that is a
fact of physics (remember your claim to have an associate's degree in liberal
arts physics?)

Read what you said - its totally false. You claim to have graduated from
high
school, but its looking doubtful.

And its all meaningless, since you haven't produced a single case of a
cruising
cat capsizing.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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In fact, *each* degree of heel on a cat requires _less_ wind than the
previous
degree of heel. cat turn upside down at heel anglesof about 30*.

Totally wrong. You should read what you wrote very carefully.


come on, jeffies. you *claim* to have an associates degree in liberal arts
physics. that mean you *claim* to under the dynamics of wind againt a sail
and
how lever stability decreases as the lever grows shorter (due to the cat
tipping, as in heeling). you also *claim* to understand what "end-plate
effect" means, and most assuredly you *claim* to know that a cat has that
huge
wind sail (the tramp, deck, and house) exposed as it tilts.

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jeffies, of all those boats built very few went to sea, and even fewer went to
sea a second time.

it seems you missed the "out there" part

with only 30 cruising cats out there, that is about 14%


OK -
Prout, 5000 built
Fountaine Pajot - 1300 built
Lagoon - about 1000 built
Gemini - 800

plus dozens of companies that have built a hundred or more - my PDQ has 100
sisterships. There are lots of cats out there jaxie, you just see them where
you are.

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"Hitting the hits"

"hitting the rocks"

A number of cats have
survived with hull damage that would sink a monohull

really? now you are comparing a $300,000 cat with a ten year old Mac 26

When you do hear of
a cat sinking, the story is usually that it stayed afloat for a day so that
the
crew had time to be rescued.

you only hear that story "because the crew was rescued" (same as for mono's).
when the boat goes down without a trace you hear nothing.

A monohull with a serious leak will usually sink
in a matter of minutes.

and a cat that turns upside down due to a wind gust usually kills the crew.

very few boats sink "out there" jeffies, but as a percentage of boats "out
there" by hull type, cats are disabled and/or sink at a higher % rate than
mono's. And if you compare $ spent to buy the boat, cats REALLY sink at a
hugely higher rate.

cats need to watch the weather (and weather season) and they need to stay close
enough to shore to dive in should nasty weather be a coming.

btw, how many cruising cats did you say you know of that have round Cape Horn?
How about from east to west?

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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jeffies, go to amazon.com and check out the books.

OK, jaxie. What books?

I like "Cruising in Catamarans" by Charles Kanter. He says, "There are only
four documented cases of capsizes of cruising catamarans while being cruised by
owners or charters."


you wanna convince yourself
that no way in hell can you die on a two-huller and are likely to die on a
mono, go ahead. but for god's sakes STOP telling that to newbee's. they
might
believe you and injure themselves following your advice.

Don't worry - I think all the newbies understand your point of view perfectly
well.


now, about a cat need LESS wind force to tilt each and every next degree right
up to the time it gets to about 30* tilt when it turns turtle, well that is a
fact of physics (remember your claim to have an associate's degree in liberal
arts physics?)

I repeat - you are completely wrong. Read what you have have said very
carefully.

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
....
When you do hear of
a cat sinking, the story is usually that it stayed afloat for a day so that
the
crew had time to be rescued.

you only hear that story "because the crew was rescued" (same as for mono's).
when the boat goes down without a trace you hear nothing.

Its the old "you never hear about the the ones that just disappeared" argument.
That odd, we do hear about monohulls that "go missing," but we never hear about
cats.


A monohull with a serious leak will usually sink
in a matter of minutes.

and a cat that turns upside down due to a wind gust usually kills the crew.

Why don't you post a link to such an occurance? Cruising cats, not racers.


very few boats sink "out there" jeffies, but as a percentage of boats "out
there" by hull type, cats are disabled and/or sink at a higher % rate than
mono's.

Total nonsense. You haven't even provided a single instance of this happening.

And if you compare $ spent to buy the boat, cats REALLY sink at a
hugely higher rate.

cats need to watch the weather (and weather season) and they need to stay
close
enough to shore to dive in should nasty weather be a coming.

And an Irwin 32 never needs to consider the weather at all?


btw, how many cruising cats did you say you know of that have round Cape Horn?
How about from east to west?

How many monohulls have gone around the world in 58 days?

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And an Irwin 32 never needs to consider the weather at all?

no idea, I know no one with an Irwin 32

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How many monohulls have gone around the world in 58 days?


how many mono's "have gone around the world" in 358 days"

there are -- right now -- several thousand mono's heading west around the
world, as compared to four or five cats. There are zero point zero cats
heading east around the world.

there is a reasons for that.

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and a cat that turns upside down due to a wind gust usually kills the crew.

Why don't you post a link to such an occurance? Cruising cats, not racers.

JEFFIES!! for the kriste's sake!! mono's are not capabable of capasizing due
to winds alone. mono's *require* a special set of circumstance with -----
waves ----- to turn upside down. cats -- on the other hand -- can and do flip
over due to wind alone.

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On 28 May 2004 14:35:23 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

Pfff, I've a triple E in physics....


yup, and it is just as real as parallax's double e in physics.


"Wooosh"

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reemo writes:

From: Remco Moedt
Date: 5/29/2004 3:16 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On 28 May 2004 14:35:23 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

Pfff, I've a triple E in physics....


yup, and it is just as real as parallax's double e in physics.


"Wooosh"



and the rest of the world asks, WTF?