Dan,
I guess I don't understand why you bothered us on in this newsgroup if you
did not want the boat very much in the first place. Did you think there was
a magic bullet that makes your boat new for free or what?
Steve

"Dan " Dan@ wrote in message ...
I think a coat of primer and a coat of enamel will do just fine.
The boat isn't worth anything so I guess I can't care about the
cracks. Nobody wants a Pirateer.
I'm not going off shore or anything like that. I'm not even racing it.
I'm just playing in it on nice days so I'll just paint it and that's
it.
Flowers is a really good idea though.

On Thu, 1 May 2008 08:30:11 +0200, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote:

Dan,
I guess I don't understand why you bothered us on in this newsgroup if you
did not want the boat very much in the first place. Did you think there was
a magic bullet that makes your boat new for free or what?
Steve

Well, I took your comments and went back out to the shop and thought
about using the hull and making a plug. Excellent idea if the boat
would have some value. Even in perfect shape, it would be cost
prohibitive for such an old boat.
All I wanted to do was skin it with 4 or 6oz cloth and wondered what
your thoughts were. When you said it was almost as much work to make a
new hull, I took a good look at it and decided it wasn't the work to
do either.
I changed my mind based on your comments. That's why I asked. You gave
me good advice and I thank you.
Didn't mean to be a bother.
Dan

01 May 08, Dan wrote:
Didn't mean to be a bother.

No bother.
It's why most of us are here.
And frankly, what you decided to do is exactly what I was about to
suggest. You can always make a planter out of it later, but before it
comes apart, you might get a little sailing done :-)

Rick

Dan
Old doesn't mean less good than new designs. There are classic designs that
perform every bit as well as new designs and quite often better. . This is
especially true with sail designs. After all the only real improvement made
over the years is not the basic design, but in material performance. My
comment wasn't made to be a smart ass, but a 13' ft boat is a perfect size
to get your feet wet in the hobby and as you already have the boat, the real
cost of building is gone. (the cost of outfitting) You have all the parts!
Don't be so ready to quit! Join us.
If you need advise along the way, we are here.
Steve

"Dan " Dan@ wrote in message ...
On Thu, 1 May 2008 08:30:11 +0200, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote:

Dan,
I guess I don't understand why you bothered us on in this newsgroup if you
did not want the boat very much in the first place. Did you think there
was
a magic bullet that makes your boat new for free or what?
Steve

Well, I took your comments and went back out to the shop and thought
about using the hull and making a plug. Excellent idea if the boat
would have some value. Even in perfect shape, it would be cost
prohibitive for such an old boat.
All I wanted to do was skin it with 4 or 6oz cloth and wondered what
your thoughts were. When you said it was almost as much work to make a
new hull, I took a good look at it and decided it wasn't the work to
do either.
I changed my mind based on your comments. That's why I asked. You gave
me good advice and I thank you.
Didn't mean to be a bother.
Dan

On Thu, 1 May 2008 22:55:57 +0200, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote:

Dan
Old doesn't mean less good than new designs. There are classic designs that
perform every bit as well as new designs and quite often better. . This is
especially true with sail designs. After all the only real improvement made
over the years is not the basic design, but in material performance. My
comment wasn't made to be a smart ass, but a 13' ft boat is a perfect size
to get your feet wet in the hobby and as you already have the boat, the real
cost of building is gone. (the cost of outfitting) You have all the parts!
Don't be so ready to quit! Join us.
If you need advise along the way, we are here.
Steve
Thanks Steve.
I paid $125.00 for the boat. Last year I repaired the huge crack, 3'
long and wide enough to put your hand through. It was great lesson in
fiberglass and boat repair.
I also repaired some of the big cracks and painted the
epoxy/fiberglass with primer to keep the UV off of it for now.
So the boat has very bad red paint on it, some huge spots sanded
through to the orange gelcoat and then, white primer on that. I
painted the numbers on the side with a stencil and a spray can. This
boat looked terrible. I hauled it to the lake on a tandem axle flat
bed trailer behind the custom van. We looked like the Clampett's goin
sail'n. But I didn't care I wanted to go sailing. I only had one day
last year.

I have completed ASA 101 and 103.
So I took the little boat out with my wife. She has no idea how to
sail. We had life jackets on and weren't far from shore at all.
If you really want to know I'll tell you the story, but suffice it to
say we had more fun together that day then we had in many years. We
laughed so hard we had tears in our eyes. That little boat was out of
control. The wind piped up and that boat was flying.
I think having fun is the idea. I also love to learn and believe doing
it is the only way to really learn.
Problem is, this boat's performance is so bad compared to today's new
rockets it has no value anymore. The new boats look like large
surfboards with huge sails.
I had to build a trailer for this boat. So right now I have almost
$900.00 into this boat and it isn't worth anything. But I've learned a
ton, I'm and have a blast with it.
It sits in the shop and gets worked on almost every day. I just wish
it wasn't so destroyed before I got it. My wife bough it for me.
I also own a Catalina C25 that is undergoing major re-furb and has
been for a long time. I have worked on sealing the deck penetrations,
re-installed the motor, re-built the motor, repaired gelcoat, new
electrical system, new teak, sanded topsides completely and on and on
and on…..
I just screw with the little boat until I get the C25 done.

Dan, that's the way you do it. Have a grand time with that little old thing
and give it an honorable burial when you're done with it.

Have fun,
Tom Dacon


"Dan " Dan@ wrote in message ...
On Thu, 1 May 2008 22:55:57 +0200, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote:

Dan
Old doesn't mean less good than new designs. There are classic designs
that
perform every bit as well as new designs and quite often better. . This is
especially true with sail designs. After all the only real improvement
made
over the years is not the basic design, but in material performance. My
comment wasn't made to be a smart ass, but a 13' ft boat is a perfect size
to get your feet wet in the hobby and as you already have the boat, the
real
cost of building is gone. (the cost of outfitting) You have all the parts!
Don't be so ready to quit! Join us.
If you need advise along the way, we are here.
Steve
Thanks Steve.
I paid $125.00 for the boat. Last year I repaired the huge crack, 3'
long and wide enough to put your hand through. It was great lesson in
fiberglass and boat repair.
I also repaired some of the big cracks and painted the
epoxy/fiberglass with primer to keep the UV off of it for now.
So the boat has very bad red paint on it, some huge spots sanded
through to the orange gelcoat and then, white primer on that. I
painted the numbers on the side with a stencil and a spray can. This
boat looked terrible. I hauled it to the lake on a tandem axle flat
bed trailer behind the custom van. We looked like the Clampett's goin
sail'n. But I didn't care I wanted to go sailing. I only had one day
last year.

I have completed ASA 101 and 103.
So I took the little boat out with my wife. She has no idea how to
sail. We had life jackets on and weren't far from shore at all.
If you really want to know I'll tell you the story, but suffice it to
say we had more fun together that day then we had in many years. We
laughed so hard we had tears in our eyes. That little boat was out of
control. The wind piped up and that boat was flying.
I think having fun is the idea. I also love to learn and believe doing
it is the only way to really learn.
Problem is, this boat's performance is so bad compared to today's new
rockets it has no value anymore. The new boats look like large
surfboards with huge sails.
I had to build a trailer for this boat. So right now I have almost
$900.00 into this boat and it isn't worth anything. But I've learned a
ton, I'm and have a blast with it.
It sits in the shop and gets worked on almost every day. I just wish
it wasn't so destroyed before I got it. My wife bough it for me.
I also own a Catalina C25 that is undergoing major re-furb and has
been for a long time. I have worked on sealing the deck penetrations,
re-installed the motor, re-built the motor, repaired gelcoat, new
electrical system, new teak, sanded topsides completely and on and on
and on...
I just screw with the little boat until I get the C25 done.

Tom Dacon wrote:

Dan, that's the way you do it. Have a grand time with that little old
thing and give it an honorable burial when you're done with it.

Have fun,
Tom Dacon


"Dan " Dan@ wrote in message
...
On Thu, 1 May 2008 22:55:57 +0200, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote:

Dan
Old doesn't mean less good than new designs. There are classic
designs that perform every bit as well as new designs and quite
often better. . This is especially true with sail designs. After
all the only real improvement made over the years is not the
basic design, but in material performance. My comment wasn't made
to be a smart ass, but a 13' ft boat is a perfect size to get
your feet wet in the hobby and as you already have the boat, the
real cost of building is gone. (the cost of outfitting) You have
all the parts! Don't be so ready to quit! Join us. If you need
advise along the way, we are here. Steve
Thanks Steve.
I paid $125.00 for the boat. Last year I repaired the huge crack,
3' long and wide enough to put your hand through. It was great
lesson in fiberglass and boat repair.
I also repaired some of the big cracks and painted the
epoxy/fiberglass with primer to keep the UV off of it for now.
So the boat has very bad red paint on it, some huge spots sanded
through to the orange gelcoat and then, white primer on that. I
painted the numbers on the side with a stencil and a spray can. This
boat looked terrible. I hauled it to the lake on a tandem axle flat
bed trailer behind the custom van. We looked like the Clampett's
goin sail'n. But I didn't care I wanted to go sailing. I only had
one day last year.

I have completed ASA 101 and 103.
So I took the little boat out with my wife. She has no idea how to
sail. We had life jackets on and weren't far from shore at all.
If you really want to know I'll tell you the story, but suffice it
to say we had more fun together that day then we had in many years.
We laughed so hard we had tears in our eyes. That little boat was
out of control. The wind piped up and that boat was flying.
I think having fun is the idea. I also love to learn and believe
doing it is the only way to really learn.
Problem is, this boat's performance is so bad compared to today's
new rockets it has no value anymore. The new boats look like large
surfboards with huge sails.
I had to build a trailer for this boat. So right now I have almost
$900.00 into this boat and it isn't worth anything. But I've
learned a ton, I'm and have a blast with it.
It sits in the shop and gets worked on almost every day. I just wish
it wasn't so destroyed before I got it. My wife bough it for me.
I also own a Catalina C25 that is undergoing major re-furb and has
been for a long time. I have worked on sealing the deck
penetrations, re-installed the motor, re-built the motor, repaired
gelcoat, new electrical system, new teak, sanded topsides
completely and on and on and on...
I just screw with the little boat until I get the C25 done.



Dan, You might want check out the Mutineer group At Yahoo.com. We own a
Mutineer 15 and an Irwin 28. The Mutineer is a great day sailer and the
group is very good at answering questions. Jim

--

On Thu, 1 May 2008 22:55:57 +0200, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote:

Old doesn't mean less good than new designs. There are classic designs that
perform every bit as well as new designs and quite often better.

Scows have been the fastest sailboats, at least 25, for more than a
century. They come in 16,20,28,38 feet, depending on how big a crew
you can round up. Racers trailer them to whatever lake has the races
that weekend. The A boats, 38ft, weigh less than ton. Fun, taking the
mast down every time you take it out, as some do.

Casady