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Light Weight vs Heavy Weight
Was wondering, there're a lot of nice designs for plywood boats out here now
and some look very attractive. What I wonder is how do they handle in comparison to a similar built hull in fiberglass. We had an extensive give and take on this, on a NE fishing board, and everyone said that "heavy" is one quality thaey all want in a boat. So ...is it worth looking to designs like Arch Davis or Bateau or (I want to build my own boat) look into something like a C-Flex design. Than yiu. |
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The argument I hear for a heavy boat is that it handles the rough seas
better. I say it's more a factor of boat design. If you take 2 flat bottom skiffs into rough water...1 weighing less the the other...the heavier one will be subject to less tossing about. However, a skiff wasn't made for rough seas. A lighter hull will be more fuel efficient, be able to handle more of a load of people/gear, and cost less in the long run. If you build a lighter weight hull that is shaped for rough water, you'll do better than a heavier one. That's my opinion. That and $4 will get you coffee at Starbucks. -- Matt Langenfeld JEM Watercraft http://jem.e-boat.net/ Jess wrote: Was wondering, there're a lot of nice designs for plywood boats out here now and some look very attractive. What I wonder is how do they handle in comparison to a similar built hull in fiberglass. We had an extensive give and take on this, on a NE fishing board, and everyone said that "heavy" is one quality thaey all want in a boat. So ...is it worth looking to designs like Arch Davis or Bateau or (I want to build my own boat) look into something like a C-Flex design. Than yiu. |
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Pound for pound. Wood is much stronger than GRP
"Jess" wrote in message ... Was wondering, there're a lot of nice designs for plywood boats out here now and some look very attractive. What I wonder is how do they handle in comparison to a similar built hull in fiberglass. We had an extensive give and take on this, on a NE fishing board, and everyone said that "heavy" is one quality thaey all want in a boat. So ...is it worth looking to designs like Arch Davis or Bateau or (I want to build my own boat) look into something like a C-Flex design. Than yiu. |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:24:43 +0000 (UTC), "James"
wrote: Pound for pound. Wood is much stronger than GRP Let's update that a little. In 1970, some wood construction could be stronger than production GRP (at the same weight) then available. GRP covers a variety of things nowadays. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a Capsizing under chute, and having the chute rise and fill without tangling, all while Mark and Sally are still behind you |
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Rodney Myrvaagnes ) writes:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:24:43 +0000 (UTC), "James" wrote: Pound for pound. Wood is much stronger than GRP Let's update that a little. In 1970, some wood construction could be stronger than production GRP (at the same weight) then available. GRP covers a variety of things nowadays. technically it would not be Glass Reinforced Plastic since replacing the glass with some other fibre seems to be how the weight has been reduced, also stronger more flexible plastics which allow thinner layups. however, from what I've read about the heavy vs light question, heavy is for crusing, light is for racing. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:27:19 GMT, "Jess"
vaguely proposed a theory .......and in reply I say!: remove ns from my header address to reply via email Does "heavy" refer to wieght or handling? If you can get the same strength, it would be better to go for the lighter boat. You can add your own ballast (and most people usually do!) Was wondering, there're a lot of nice designs for plywood boats out here now and some look very attractive. What I wonder is how do they handle in comparison to a similar built hull in fiberglass. We had an extensive give and take on this, on a NE fishing board, and everyone said that "heavy" is one quality thaey all want in a boat. So ...is it worth looking to designs like Arch Davis or Bateau or (I want to build my own boat) look into something like a C-Flex design. Than yiu. ************************************************** ** I went on a guided tour not long ago.The guide got us lost. He was a non-compass mentor.........sorry .........no I'm not. |
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Jess,
If you are inferring that GRP is lighter than wood, it is the unusual case if it is. GRP and its derivitives have many advantages, but light weight is not one. The best example I could give is trying to row an aluminum skiff or an inflatable in a breese. An architech once said to me "Would you rather live in a cork or in an ice cube?" Lightweight craft have their place in racing and carrying. If you don't race and you don't intend to carry it on your back, weight is on the bottom of your list of important items. Steve "Jess" wrote in message ... Was wondering, there're a lot of nice designs for plywood boats out here now and some look very attractive. What I wonder is how do they handle in comparison to a similar built hull in fiberglass. We had an extensive give and take on this, on a NE fishing board, and everyone said that "heavy" is one quality thaey all want in a boat. So ...is it worth looking to designs like Arch Davis or Bateau or (I want to build my own boat) look into something like a C-Flex design. Than yiu. |
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:58:37 +0200, "Steve Lusardi"
vaguely proposed a theory .......and in reply I say!: remove ns from my header address to reply via email If I am rowing a boat in a breeze, _and the windage is the same_, I would prefer to be rowing the lighter boat. I has less warter friction. BTW. Your post compares an _architect's_ statements about _living_ in corks and icecubes, to illustrate the problems between an inflatable vs an aluminium boat, to talk about the relative "weights" (densities) of GRP vs wood, and your apparent aim is to say that GRP is heavier than wood, if one really thinks about it. Care to elucidate? Jess, If you are inferring that GRP is lighter than wood, it is the unusual case if it is. GRP and its derivitives have many advantages, but light weight is not one. The best example I could give is trying to row an aluminum skiff or an inflatable in a breese. An architech once said to me "Would you rather live in a cork or in an ice cube?" Lightweight craft have their place in racing and carrying. If you don't race and you don't intend to carry it on your back, weight is on the bottom of your list of important items. Steve ************************************************** ** I went on a guided tour not long ago.The guide got us lost. He was a non-compass mentor.........sorry .........no I'm not. |
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Old Nick wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:58:37 +0200, "Steve Lusardi" vaguely proposed a theory ......and in reply I say!: remove ns from my header address to reply via email If I am rowing a boat in a breeze, _and the windage is the same_, I would prefer to be rowing the lighter boat. I has less warter friction. BTW. Your post compares an _architect's_ statements about _living_ in corks and icecubes, to illustrate the problems between an inflatable vs an aluminium boat, to talk about the relative "weights" (densities) of GRP vs wood, and your apparent aim is to say that GRP is heavier than wood, if one really thinks about it. Care to elucidate? Jess, If you are inferring that GRP is lighter than wood, it is the unusual case if it is. GRP and its derivitives have many advantages, but light weight is not one. The best example I could give is trying to row an aluminum skiff or an inflatable in a breese. An architech once said to me "Would you rather live in a cork or in an ice cube?" Lightweight craft have their place in racing and carrying. If you don't race and you don't intend to carry it on your back, weight is on the bottom of your list of important items. Steve ************************************************** ** I went on a guided tour not long ago.The guide got us lost. He was a non-compass mentor.........sorry ........no I'm not. Well, as one who sells boats to folks who want everything, including light weight I have a comment. I personally think that most want light boats for many reasons, none of which ususally have anything to do with water! Thinking of storage or moving and such... Anyway, once you get on the water, I would think a boat with more weight would have many advantages over the lightweight junk I build, really, but don't tell anyone. Scotty |
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