you mean you are looking at a grossly heavy, pitifully underpowered engine made
in some garage in Norway, rebuilt "some time ago" ....

..... and THEN ....

..... are asking for definitive advice from rec.boat.highschool on just how much
this thing is worth????

Of course.

Dude, an 9.9 hp outboard would be easier to fix and keep in running shape and
would weigh several hundred pounds less.

In addition, most any single cylinder recent production diesel inboard would
weigh upwards of 250# less and be easy to keep repaired.

For that matter, a Vyre (sp?) 7 hp, 2-cycle gasoline inboard would weigh close
to 350# less (that means the boat would have 350# more load carrying capacity
(use it for fuel if you wish. 350# of gasoline is about 55 gallons EXTRA fuel
onboard, or about 150 *hours* more motoring time than the obese sabb engine.


Thanks for the benefit of your wisdom.

If I had any idea at all I would never have posted.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
price of a 440 pound engine -- without starter motor -- that develops 10
hp
flat out, throttle against the fire wall, motor built in Norway, "rebuilt
a
while back"?

You tell us.


Hi,
Anyone have a clue what a Sabb 10hp (with drive) would
be worth in he USA? It has been rebuilt a while back apparently. The
owner
wants an offer, but I have no idea what the motor is worth.
Any comments would be appreciated.

thanks,
Neil McC.

you mean you are looking at a grossly heavy, pitifully underpowered engine
made
in some garage in Norway

Sabbs are wonderfully suited for what they do best in a displacement hull.
They will run forever with a minimum of care. They are as dependable as it
gets. Sabb makes starter kits for them, but they can always be hand-cranked
and will start at just about any temperature.

Offer the guy $1000.00 bucks and be overjoyed if he takes it. If you are
looking to power a displacment hull and understand the benefits of variable
pitch, then this would be a gift.

Good Luck !

Regards,

Nils Klykken
St. Pete, Florida

The Sabbs are great engines, very reliable and quiet thanks to their super
big flywhell.
They are easy to fix, easy to rebuild and the company as dealers in the US
or will ship parts.
I would pay up to $ 1,000.00 for a running 10 HP especially if it comes with
the var. pitch prop and shaft.
My only reservation is the HP, 10 HP is a little small for that very heavy
Devlin design. Those old engines have great torque at low rpm but still, I
would prefer to see a 20 in there.
Again: it's a great engine.

--
Jacques
http://www.bateau.com

"NKlykken" wrote in message
...
you mean you are looking at a grossly heavy, pitifully underpowered
engine
made
in some garage in Norway

Sabbs are wonderfully suited for what they do best in a displacement hull.
They will run forever with a minimum of care. They are as dependable as
it
gets. Sabb makes starter kits for them, but they can always be
hand-cranked
and will start at just about any temperature.

Offer the guy $1000.00 bucks and be overjoyed if he takes it. If you are
looking to power a displacment hull and understand the benefits of
variable
pitch, then this would be a gift.

Good Luck !

Regards,

Nils Klykken
St. Pete, Florida

I would pay up to $ 1,000.00 for a running 10 HP especially if it comes with
the var. pitch prop and shaft.

It *HAS* to come with the variable pitch prop and shaft. That is the ONLY
transmission made for the engine.

Those old engines have great torque at low rpm

HP = torque times rpm. If it has just 10 hp and it achieves this hp at lower
rpm it MUST have higher torque (otherwise it wouldn't make 10 hp), and this
means it MUST have more cubic inch displacement. There is zero point zero
advantage to "more torque". It is the hp you need to drive the boat. A 90,000
rpm turbine engine, or 12,000 rpm racing 2-cycle, or 9,500 rpm racing 4-cycle,
or a 6,000 production 2-cycle, or 4,500 production 4-cycle, or a 3,000
production diesel, or a 1,500 rpm industrial diesel, or a 500 rpm mule diesel
engine, or a 50 rpm steam engine, or 10 plough horses (actually, about 8 plough
horses as Jimmy Watt kinds fibbed a bit about the strength of plough horses to
help sell his steam engines), are ALL just 10 horsepower, and it *IS* the hp
that drives the boat.

but still, I
would prefer to see a 20 in there.

The 20 hp Sabb engine weights in at 880#, or well more than a 750 hp MoPar
hemi.

You REALLY have to like the _thought_ of a seriously heavy, low output *diesel*
engine to think that the Sabb engines are anything useful.

Think of it: a 880# engine that puts out less hp than a teenage boy's 180 cc
motorcycle.

Again: it's a great engine.

As is a 2,000# 2hp steam engine in the right circumstance, but it gotta be a
character type boat to be the right circumstance.

A huge displacement, high torque, slow turning 10 hp motor puts out no more hp
than a tiny displacement, high reving, low torque 10 hp motor.

I would pay up to $ 1,000.00 for a running 10 HP especially if it comes with
the var. pitch prop and shaft.

It's complete......
Regards,

Nils Klykken
St. Pete, Florida

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
you mean you are looking at a grossly heavy, pitifully underpowered engine made
in some garage in Norway, rebuilt "some time ago" ....

.... and THEN ....

.... are asking for definitive advice from rec.boat.highschool

OK, folks. This is Jax Ashby. Famous or infamous on rec.boats (just do
a google search) for just plain being a trouble maker. This guy is
worse than a spammer and should probably be best ignored in most
cases.

We are a group of builders and folks who build and or want to build
boats, and "rec.boats.highschool" is mostly a hands on group talking
from experience or asking serious questions. Why Jax has brought his
brand of spam/ego/flame to this group is beyond me, but remember, he
can only do as much damage as we let him. I could be wrong but I doubt
he gives two ****s about building boats, just likes to hear himself
talk. Take it for what it's worth, I am sure he will have something
nasty to say in return but I will let my posts on boatbuilding address
my answers to anything this guy has to say.

Scott Ingersoll
SmallBoats.com

scooty, I built my first boat (a Professional Class A/B Racing Runabout)
between the fall and spring of year I was in 8th grade.

What did you do in 8th grade?

btw scooty, I started repairing engines professionally for adult men who
couldn't the summer before I started Junion HS.

How about you? When did you start?

OK, folks. This is Jax Ashby. Famous or infamous on rec.boats (just do
a google search) for just plain being a trouble maker. This guy is
worse than a spammer and should probably be best ignored in most
cases.

We are a group of builders and folks who build and or want to build
boats, and "rec.boats.highschool" is mostly a hands on group talking
from experience or asking serious questions. Why Jax has brought his
brand of spam/ego/flame to this group is beyond me, but remember, he
can only do as much damage as we let him. I could be wrong but I doubt
he gives two ****s about building boats, just likes to hear himself
talk. Take it for what it's worth, I am sure he will have something
nasty to say in return but I will let my posts on boatbuilding address
my answers to anything this guy has to say.

Scott Ingersoll
SmallBoats.com

Well Jax Ashby, given the calibre of your postings, I wonder if you've
actually reached the 8th grade yet.

To everyone else, many thanks for your comments.

N.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
scooty, I built my first boat (a Professional Class A/B Racing Runabout)
between the fall and spring of year I was in 8th grade.

What did you do in 8th grade?

btw scooty, I started repairing engines professionally for adult men who
couldn't the summer before I started Junion HS.

How about you? When did you start?

OK, folks. This is Jax Ashby. Famous or infamous on rec.boats (just do
a google search) for just plain being a trouble maker. This guy is
worse than a spammer and should probably be best ignored in most
cases.

We are a group of builders and folks who build and or want to build
boats, and "rec.boats.highschool" is mostly a hands on group talking
from experience or asking serious questions. Why Jax has brought his
brand of spam/ego/flame to this group is beyond me, but remember, he
can only do as much damage as we let him. I could be wrong but I doubt
he gives two ****s about building boats, just likes to hear himself
talk. Take it for what it's worth, I am sure he will have something
nasty to say in return but I will let my posts on boatbuilding address
my answers to anything this guy has to say.

Scott Ingersoll
SmallBoats.com

Neil baby, my mother used to say "There is NO one so stupid as he who won't
learn".

You gotta remember that back in those days "he" meant anyone (man or woman).

Go ahead and build that grossly obese boat with the grossly obese -- and punny
power -- engine, all the while telling anyone who will listen -- all two of 'em
-- what a genius you are for installing an engine that puts out an incredible 1
hp for every 45 pounds of engine weight (something not done on aircraft engines
in 85 years, or car engines in 80 years or farm tractor engines in 65 years, or
industrial gasoline engines in 60 years, or industrial diesel engines in 50
years).

That's sorta like bragging about having a 48 inch ass.

Be proud, dude.

say, neil, didn't you a long time ago - about 6 years -- claim on the
boatbuilding.com site to be a naval architect by training and profession? How
come then you didn't know all this stuff?

Maybe 'cuz you didn't know it 6 years ago either?


Well Jax Ashby, given the calibre of your postings, I wonder if you've
actually reached the 8th grade yet.

To everyone else, many thanks for your comments.

N.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
scooty, I built my first boat (a Professional Class A/B Racing Runabout)
between the fall and spring of year I was in 8th grade.

What did you do in 8th grade?

btw scooty, I started repairing engines professionally for adult men who
couldn't the summer before I started Junion HS.

How about you? When did you start?

OK, folks. This is Jax Ashby. Famous or infamous on rec.boats (just do
a google search) for just plain being a trouble maker. This guy is
worse than a spammer and should probably be best ignored in most
cases.

We are a group of builders and folks who build and or want to build
boats, and "rec.boats.highschool" is mostly a hands on group talking
from experience or asking serious questions. Why Jax has brought his
brand of spam/ego/flame to this group is beyond me, but remember, he
can only do as much damage as we let him. I could be wrong but I doubt
he gives two ****s about building boats, just likes to hear himself
talk. Take it for what it's worth, I am sure he will have something
nasty to say in return but I will let my posts on boatbuilding address
my answers to anything this guy has to say.

Scott Ingersoll
SmallBoats.com

Yeah, yeah

Get yourself the most horsepower for the lightest weight possible & then
fill your keel up with lead!! lol.
Then watch that lightweight, high revving, Japanese baby fly to pieces after
467 hours?


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Neil baby, my mother used to say "There is NO one so stupid as he who
won't
learn".

You gotta remember that back in those days "he" meant anyone (man or
woman).

Go ahead and build that grossly obese boat with the grossly obese -- and
punny
power -- engine, all the while telling anyone who will listen -- all two
of 'em
-- what a genius you are for installing an engine that puts out an
incredible 1
hp for every 45 pounds of engine weight (something not done on aircraft
engines
in 85 years, or car engines in 80 years or farm tractor engines in 65
years, or
industrial gasoline engines in 60 years, or industrial diesel engines in
50
years).

That's sorta like bragging about having a 48 inch ass.

Be proud, dude.

say, neil, didn't you a long time ago - about 6 years -- claim on the
boatbuilding.com site to be a naval architect by training and profession?
How
come then you didn't know all this stuff?

Maybe 'cuz you didn't know it 6 years ago either?


Well Jax Ashby, given the calibre of your postings, I wonder if you've
actually reached the 8th grade yet.

To everyone else, many thanks for your comments.

N.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
scooty, I built my first boat (a Professional Class A/B Racing
Runabout)
between the fall and spring of year I was in 8th grade.

What did you do in 8th grade?

btw scooty, I started repairing engines professionally for adult men
who
couldn't the summer before I started Junion HS.

How about you? When did you start?

OK, folks. This is Jax Ashby. Famous or infamous on rec.boats (just do
a google search) for just plain being a trouble maker. This guy is
worse than a spammer and should probably be best ignored in most
cases.

We are a group of builders and folks who build and or want to build
boats, and "rec.boats.highschool" is mostly a hands on group talking
from experience or asking serious questions. Why Jax has brought his
brand of spam/ego/flame to this group is beyond me, but remember, he
can only do as much damage as we let him. I could be wrong but I doubt
he gives two ****s about building boats, just likes to hear himself
talk. Take it for what it's worth, I am sure he will have something
nasty to say in return but I will let my posts on boatbuilding address
my answers to anything this guy has to say.

Scott Ingersoll
SmallBoats.com