Comments:

1) When one spends as much time on this group being helpful to others as
Glenn does, I'm willing to cut him considerable slack on the strict
interpretation of the rules. The intent of the rule is to prevent mass
posting by every Tom, Dick, and Harry that puts something up on e-Bay, not
helpful posts by our fellow denizens.

2) In that line, a Google search turns up thousands of posts from Glenn
over several years -- he's certainly a major force here. I also did a
similar search on each of the posters below, a record of zero and two.

3) Glenn has several times called the groups' attention to eBay auctions
where he was not the seller and has saved me several thousand dollars by so
doing. Losing that sort of information would take away a part of the value
of this group to me. He also occasionally mentions other special sources
which have saved me money. Such posts are entirely appropriate.

4) If anybody here takes this seriously, then the next time one of us wants
to sell something on eBay, send a note to another of us and have the
disinterested party call everyone's attention to it. Does that sound silly?
It should.


--
Jim Woodward
www.mvFintry.com


...
wrote in message
...
This is a very self-serving post - the charter says no advertising -
it doesn't say no COMMERCIAL advertising - it says NO advertising -
period.

The rest of your statement is holier-than-thou justification.



On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:06:14 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:



wrote:
You know this is really illegal and unwarranted by a man of your
caliber - do we have to write your ISP and demand satisfaction.

I debated whether to mention the auction but decided that, while it may
fall into a grey area, it was probably appropriate. The charter does
prohibit advertising but we are a unique and relatively small group with

some rather unique needs. We also end up with surplus material that only
others in this group can use.

Because of design changes and over-purchases anyone building a large
boat will have some extra material that others in the group could use.
While I completely agree with the ban on commerical posting, prohibiting
an anouncement of the availability of this material eliminates some of
the value of this newsgroup.

It is probably better that we just ignore this. The worst part about
"for sale" anouncements is the number of spam police messages and
responses to them. If we let this and other threads like it get out of
control we may as well ask Jax and Capt N*^# for their opinion and
forget about boat building.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

It's a nice compass that Glenn's selling ...too bad I also need a flush
mount for my boat project. Thanks for letting us know about the compass,
Glenn. Nice heads up. Hope you sell it without delay. Somebody will
appreciate it.

Brian

--
My boat project: http://www.advantagecomposites.com/tongass


"Jim Woodward" jameslwoodward at attbi dot com wrote in message
...
Comments:

1) When one spends as much time on this group being helpful to others as
Glenn does, I'm willing to cut him considerable slack on the strict
interpretation of the rules. The intent of the rule is to prevent mass
posting by every Tom, Dick, and Harry that puts something up on e-Bay, not
helpful posts by our fellow denizens.

2) In that line, a Google search turns up thousands of posts from Glenn
over several years -- he's certainly a major force here. I also did a
similar search on each of the posters below, a record of zero and two.

3) Glenn has several times called the groups' attention to eBay auctions
where he was not the seller and has saved me several thousand dollars by
so
doing. Losing that sort of information would take away a part of the value
of this group to me. He also occasionally mentions other special sources
which have saved me money. Such posts are entirely appropriate.

4) If anybody here takes this seriously, then the next time one of us
wants
to sell something on eBay, send a note to another of us and have the
disinterested party call everyone's attention to it. Does that sound
silly?
It should.


--
Jim Woodward
www.mvFintry.com


..
wrote in message
...
This is a very self-serving post - the charter says no advertising -
it doesn't say no COMMERCIAL advertising - it says NO advertising -
period.

The rest of your statement is holier-than-thou justification.



On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:06:14 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:



wrote:
You know this is really illegal and unwarranted by a man of your
caliber - do we have to write your ISP and demand satisfaction.

I debated whether to mention the auction but decided that, while it may
fall into a grey area, it was probably appropriate. The charter does
prohibit advertising but we are a unique and relatively small group
with

some rather unique needs. We also end up with surplus material that
only
others in this group can use.

Because of design changes and over-purchases anyone building a large
boat will have some extra material that others in the group could use.
While I completely agree with the ban on commerical posting,
prohibiting
an anouncement of the availability of this material eliminates some of
the value of this newsgroup.

I'd vote for an amendment of the charter. Advertising not more than once a
month per individual or company. Sound good? Who owns the charter? I've
found lots of good deals and gotten good leads by seeing advertising here,
personal and otherwise. It's only a hassle if it gets carried away.

NOTE: It takes less time to click onto a new post than it does to respond to
an ad with anti-advertising complaints. Your time is valuable...use it
wisely

Brian


wrote in message
...
This is a very self-serving post - the charter says no advertising -
it doesn't say no COMMERCIAL advertising - it says NO advertising -
period.

The rest of your statement is holier-than-thou justification.



On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:06:14 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:



wrote:
You know this is really illegal and unwarranted by a man of your
caliber - do we have to write your ISP and demand satisfaction.

I debated whether to mention the auction but decided that, while it may
fall into a grey area, it was probably appropriate. The charter does
prohibit advertising but we are a unique and relatively small group with
some rather unique needs. We also end up with surplus material that only
others in this group can use.

Because of design changes and over-purchases anyone building a large
boat will have some extra material that others in the group could use.
While I completely agree with the ban on commerical posting, prohibiting
an anouncement of the availability of this material eliminates some of
the value of this newsgroup.

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 23:42:16 GMT, "Brian D"
tempted fate with:

I'd vote for an amendment of the charter. Advertising not more than once a
month per individual or company. Sound good? Who owns the charter? I've
found lots of good deals and gotten good leads by seeing advertising here,
personal and otherwise. It's only a hassle if it gets carried away.
I went to the trouble to check the "official" charter in the uunet
control messages and the newusers ftp archive. I actually saw nothing
about advertising, pro or con, which is a bit unusual. This is the
charter as voted on at the groups formation. I am not familiar with
any procedure for modifying it. The few times I've seen an attempt to
modify a charter it got pretty acrimonious, since every persons
opinion about how to do it is as good as another's. Still, it seems
generally accepted that having a call for discussion followed by a 2/3
majority vote by anyone who cares enough to participate is fair. In
order to make it stick, someone needs to post the new charter at
regular intervals, and provide a homepage for it.

Disclosu I almost have a horse in this race. I occasionally post
an advertisement in a couple of groups under an "Announce" header when
I release a product. I would never purposefully do this in a group
that does not *explicitly* allow it, but whether it is "legal" is a
matter of opinion. The most important opinion, of course, is that of
the poster. Many people seem to feel that it is a netiquette
violation, but falls short of abuse.

All that said, coming down on a regular and valuable contributor for
letting the community know that an on-topic item is available is nuts.
In my opinion (see above.)

Returning to lurk mode;

__________________________________________________ __________
Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com
To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/

This peaked my interest. It took a little time to find it but Wiley is
right. The charter says nothing about for saale messages. While I
certainly do not believe anyone wants us to be flooded with commercial
messages being able to share our surplus could be an asset.

I don't feel guilty any more. Now let's end this thread and get on with
boat building.

BTW, anybody need a couple of 37 gallon Kracor poly fuel tanks? ;-)

Brian D wrote:

I'd vote for an amendment of the charter. Advertising not more than once a
month per individual or company. Sound good? Who owns the charter? I've
found lots of good deals and gotten good leads by seeing advertising here,
personal and otherwise. It's only a hassle if it gets carried away.

NOTE: It takes less time to click onto a new post than it does to respond to
an ad with anti-advertising complaints. Your time is valuable...use it
wisely

Brian


wrote in message
...

This is a very self-serving post - the charter says no advertising -
it doesn't say no COMMERCIAL advertising - it says NO advertising -
period.

The rest of your statement is holier-than-thou justification.



On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:06:14 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:



wrote:

You know this is really illegal and unwarranted by a man of your
caliber - do we have to write your ISP and demand satisfaction.

I debated whether to mention the auction but decided that, while it may
fall into a grey area, it was probably appropriate. The charter does
prohibit advertising but we are a unique and relatively small group with
some rather unique needs. We also end up with surplus material that only
others in this group can use.

Because of design changes and over-purchases anyone building a large
boat will have some extra material that others in the group could use.
While I completely agree with the ban on commerical posting, prohibiting
an anouncement of the availability of this material eliminates some of
the value of this newsgroup.




--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Brian D wrote:

I'd vote for an amendment of the charter. snip

Sounds good to me.
Jim
Conlin Boatworks

"Brian D" wrote in message news:s5Wqb.142137$e01.477842@attbi_s02...
I'd vote for an amendment of the charter. Advertising not more than once a
month per individual or company. Sound good? Who owns the charter? I've
found lots of good deals and gotten good leads by seeing advertising here,
personal and otherwise. It's only a hassle if it gets carried away.

I think changing the charter is a rediculous idea! First of all, who
cares? I have never read, and never intend to read the charter. If
there is a charter, it was written last century and should be left in
the electronic box it is buried in. RBB is one of the best groups I
attend. We are self policing and very tolerant. Let's not let one lone
troll ruin a good thing, this guy is not even a bump in the road from
what I can see.
Scotty from SmallBoats.com



NOTE: It takes less time to click onto a new post than it does to respond to
an ad with anti-advertising complaints. Your time is valuable...use it
wisely

Brian


wrote in message
...
This is a very self-serving post - the charter says no advertising -
it doesn't say no COMMERCIAL advertising - it says NO advertising -
period.

The rest of your statement is holier-than-thou justification.



On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:06:14 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:



wrote:
You know this is really illegal and unwarranted by a man of your
caliber - do we have to write your ISP and demand satisfaction.

I debated whether to mention the auction but decided that, while it may
fall into a grey area, it was probably appropriate. The charter does
prohibit advertising but we are a unique and relatively small group with
some rather unique needs. We also end up with surplus material that only
others in this group can use.

Because of design changes and over-purchases anyone building a large
boat will have some extra material that others in the group could use.
While I completely agree with the ban on commerical posting, prohibiting
an anouncement of the availability of this material eliminates some of
the value of this newsgroup.

" georgebush wrote in message . ..
You know this is really illegal and unwarranted by a man of your
caliber - do we have to write your ISP and demand satisfaction.

Obviously you have not been around this group to understand the
tremendous amount of input Glenn donates here. This group is probably
one of the most focused unmonitored groups I attend. Glenn has a piece
of equipment that would be useful to a good percentage of the builders
here, and he is not trying to make a living selling custom
"binnacle's". Every time Glenn has one of these "ashtrays" (projects
that don't end up working but can not be thrown out), he usually
provides detailed information about the process, with circles and
arrows and a paragraph... so we don't have to make the same mistakes.
Personally, I don't see why a 1% spam ratio by a regular contributor
to a particular news group should raise any question at all. Just my
opinion.
Scotty from SmallBoats.com


On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:03:25 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

Should have thought to mentioned it here first but I just listed a new
Globemaster SP-5C compass on eBay. After I built the binnacle with an
instrument pod I realized that it would be to high for easy viewing so I
bought a flush mount. One of you guys building a larger boat might
could use it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=2441483 980

" georgebush wrote in message
...
You know this is really illegal and unwarranted by a man of your
caliber - do we have to write your ISP and demand satisfaction.

Wahh!! -sob- -whine-...

Someone went and offered an Ebay auction without consulting me first!!

-buries head in hands-

Oh the shock of it all.

;-)