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Opinion Sought - Plywood Hulls
Whenever I read opinions, they tend to be given from the standpoint of "I
believe in method A as opposed to method B" What I need to know, before embarking on an expensive and time-consuming build project, is some good advice on the relative strength and longevity of epoxy and cloth covered plywood hulls. The boat I am considering is the Benford Sailing Dory (36') My instincts suggest that this material is perfectly adequate for a Blue water cruiser (Junk rigged), but my instincts, I find, are all the better for listening to good advice TIA steveb |
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Opinion Sought - Plywood Hulls
Ask Jay!! (and I mean Jay Benford, not Leno).
I'm not sure that Jay Benford is still around, I sure hope so. He is a great designer of boats in that range (and larger) in various materials. He has written some good books. (I enjoy his Small Ships book in particular) The Cascade Yachts Classic designs were from Jay Benford. Also he seems to be interested in the questions from those building his designs (unlike Bruce R.). If Jay designed his boat to be built our of ply then he should have a glass schedule that you should follow. If you are still at the 'study plan' stage, then send him and email and he or someone in his staff should provide you with the glass recomendations. -- My opinion and experience. FWIW Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:12:02 -0700, "Steve" wrote:
Ask Jay!! (and I mean Jay Benford, not Leno). I'm not sure that Jay Benford is still around, I sure hope so. He is a great designer of boats in that range (and larger) in various materials. Ahem............... ahem. Opinions will vary about this. Bill Garden is supposed to have said, "They say I design character boats. If that's true, Benford designs caricature boats." |
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I wouldn't have expected such a comment from Mr Garden.. That now lowers my
respect for him by on notch. (still a ways to go yet though). Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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esteve says:
I wouldn't have expected such a comment from Mr Garden.. I don't know - I thought it was pretty funny... I work with a designer (Yves-Marie Tanton) about whom Bob Perry wrote an article saying "no-one who knows Yves could ever accuse him of being conventional" or words to that effect. They worked together for years, and Bob was definitely writing tongue-in-cheek. That now lowers my respect for him by on notch. (still a ways to go yet though). Shame - he draws a great boat. Designers should be judged by their boats, not their thoughts. Steve |
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Let me clear the air.
What I ment was that I thought Garden's comment was a bit mean-spirited. However I don't know what the situation was when it was made. Most professionals, while sharing a mutual respect, will often issue a good natured 'jab' at another.. Even in these forums, we find good natured ribbing along with down right mean spirited slander. Some deserved and some to flame. Bottom line, I usually find something worth while in boat designs regardless of whose work it is.. (then again, I sometimes just shake my head at a few.) I will admit that Benfords Small Ships book is more for dreaming than for practical DIY building. The chapter covering the STUMPET that Benford designed for Ernest Gann was of special interest to me when I was looking for a boat well suited to cruising the waters of the Pac.NW. I saw this boat, in the Friday Harbor but Mr. Gann wasn't around to offer a tour ;o( Just my thoughts, FWIW. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:25:37 -0700, "Steve" wrote:
I wouldn't have expected such a comment from Mr Garden.. Why? Boat designers have their adherents and detractors like most anyone else in the public eye. Benford's designs, in my humble opinion, often have a clumsy "pirate ship" look. He was a promoter of ferrocement in the 70's. I knew a small boat designed by Benford which had its sail plan so badly calculated that it would not come about. (!!) A Benford pinky schooner named the "Sunrise" was built around here (Seattle) about twenty five years ago. Wonderful job of building; dubious design. The builder was an old timer. He had many stories about the level of the designing. One that I can recall is that the galley range had one foot of clearance under a cabin structural member. But you can't argue about taste. |
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Opinion Sought - Derision Begins.....
Group,
Admittedly, I'm a lurker in this group. I contribute when I can and have learned an incredible amount over the last few months. I thank all of you who spark discussions and debates in this forum. Having said that, why is it that this "PC" fellow detracts from everyone's ideas, derides every design and designer that ever lived? Is there no moderator in here to temper this type of degradation of the forum? Sure, every one of us has the opportunity to take part in the group, and I consider it to be a privilege to belong, but somewhere there has to be a method of maintaining decorum and civility. Mr. or Mrs. Moderator, what say you? James Sloan |
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Opinion Sought - Plywood Hulls
P.C. Ford lifted the trapdoor, peered around and
wrote: He was a promoter of ferrocement in the 70's. What is wrong with correctly laid and built ferrocement hulls. btw, his website actually states that he can no longer reccomend them. My understanding is that the problem is the build quality, not the material. steveb |
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Opinion Sought - Plywood Hulls
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:32:45 +0100, steveb wrote:
Whenever I read opinions, they tend to be given from the standpoint of "I believe in method A as opposed to method B" What I need to know, before embarking on an expensive and time-consuming build project, is some good advice on the relative strength and longevity of epoxy and cloth covered plywood hulls. The boat I am considering is the Benford Sailing Dory (36') My instincts suggest that this material is perfectly adequate for a Blue water cruiser (Junk rigged), but my instincts, I find, are all the better for listening to good advice Have you visited Sam Devlin's Web site? (www.devlinboat.com) He has built some 40-foot-plus motor cruisers from fiberglass/plywood/epoxy composites. His scantlings are substantial, and they look great. - Rick Tyler |
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