I wouldn't have expected such a comment from Mr Garden.. That now lowers my
respect for him by on notch. (still a ways to go yet though).

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

esteve says:

I wouldn't have expected such a comment from Mr Garden..

I don't know - I thought it was pretty funny... I work with a designer
(Yves-Marie Tanton) about whom Bob Perry wrote an article saying "no-one who
knows Yves could ever accuse him of being conventional" or words to that
effect. They worked together for years, and Bob was definitely writing
tongue-in-cheek.

That now lowers my
respect for him by on notch. (still a ways to go yet though).

Shame - he draws a great boat. Designers should be judged by their boats, not
their thoughts.

Steve

Let me clear the air.

What I ment was that I thought Garden's comment was a bit mean-spirited.

However I don't know what the situation was when it was made. Most
professionals, while sharing a mutual respect, will often issue a good
natured 'jab' at another..

Even in these forums, we find good natured ribbing along with down right
mean spirited slander. Some deserved and some to flame.

Bottom line, I usually find something worth while in boat designs regardless
of whose work it is.. (then again, I sometimes just shake my head at a few.)

I will admit that Benfords Small Ships book is more for dreaming than for
practical DIY building. The chapter covering the STUMPET that Benford
designed for Ernest Gann was of special interest to me when I was looking
for a boat well suited to cruising the waters of the Pac.NW. I saw this
boat, in the Friday Harbor but Mr. Gann wasn't around to offer a tour ;o(

Just my thoughts, FWIW.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:25:37 -0700, "Steve" wrote:

I wouldn't have expected such a comment from Mr Garden..

Why? Boat designers have their adherents and detractors like most
anyone else in the public eye. Benford's designs, in my humble
opinion, often have a clumsy "pirate ship" look.

He was a promoter of ferrocement in the 70's.

I knew a small boat designed by Benford which had its sail plan so
badly calculated that it would not come about. (!!) A Benford pinky
schooner named the "Sunrise" was built around here (Seattle) about
twenty five years ago. Wonderful job of building; dubious design. The
builder was an old timer. He had many stories about the level of the
designing. One that I can recall is that the galley range had one foot
of clearance under a cabin structural member.

But you can't argue about taste.

Group,

Admittedly, I'm a lurker in this group. I contribute when I can and have
learned an incredible amount over the last few months. I thank all of you
who spark discussions and debates in this forum.

Having said that, why is it that this "PC" fellow detracts from everyone's
ideas, derides every design and designer that ever lived? Is there no
moderator in here to temper this type of degradation of the forum? Sure,
every one of us has the opportunity to take part in the group, and I
consider it to be a privilege to belong, but somewhere there has to be a
method of maintaining decorum and civility.

Mr. or Mrs. Moderator, what say you?

James Sloan

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:33:31 GMT, "James W. Sloan"
wrote:

Group,

Admittedly, I'm a lurker in this group. I contribute when I can and have
learned an incredible amount over the last few months. I thank all of you
who spark discussions and debates in this forum.

Having said that, why is it that this "PC" fellow detracts from everyone's
ideas, derides every design and designer that ever lived? Is there no
moderator in here to temper this type of degradation of the forum? Sure,
every one of us has the opportunity to take part in the group, and I
consider it to be a privilege to belong, but somewhere there has to be a
method of maintaining decorum and civility.

Mr. or Mrs. Moderator, what say you?

Moderator? This is an unmoderated group on USENET.

It's sort of like real life.

I would be satisfied if "PC" would just learn to use a spellcheck. The
way things are he sounds like a written version of that "Swedish Chef"
comedy routine on TV ages ago.

Mind you, I can't speak any language as well as he handles English.
However, it would certainly lend credibility if he could just take the
care to proof his posts.

"James W. Sloan" wrote:

Group,

Admittedly, I'm a lurker in this group. I contribute when I can and have
learned an incredible amount over the last few months. I thank all of you
who spark discussions and debates in this forum.

Having said that, why is it that this "PC" fellow detracts from everyone's
ideas, derides every design and designer that ever lived? Is there no
moderator in here to temper this type of degradation of the forum? Sure,
every one of us has the opportunity to take part in the group, and I
consider it to be a privilege to belong, but somewhere there has to be a
method of maintaining decorum and civility.

Mr. or Mrs. Moderator, what say you?

James Sloan

there is no moderator.


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Life lesson #48:

You can continue to puke long after you think you should be done......

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:33:31 GMT, "James W. Sloan"
wrote something
.......and in reply I say!:

I think you may have PC (Per Corell?, who AFAIK has _not_ posted to
this thread) of the 3d boats, confused with PC Ford, (who _has_ posted
in this thread).

Group,

Admittedly, I'm a lurker in this group. I contribute when I can and have
learned an incredible amount over the last few months. I thank all of you
who spark discussions and debates in this forum.

Having said that, why is it that this "PC" fellow detracts from everyone's
ideas, derides every design and designer that ever lived? Is there no
moderator in here to temper this type of degradation of the forum? Sure,
every one of us has the opportunity to take part in the group, and I
consider it to be a privilege to belong, but somewhere there has to be a
method of maintaining decorum and civility.

Mr. or Mrs. Moderator, what say you?

James Sloan


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Old Nick ) writes:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:33:31 GMT, "James W. Sloan"
wrote something
......and in reply I say!:

I think you may have PC (Per Corell?, who AFAIK has _not_ posted to
this thread) of the 3d boats, confused with PC Ford, (who _has_ posted
in this thread).

I confuse both with a PC Cruiser which is not even a boat, or a even a Ford.

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Old Nick ) writes:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:33:31 GMT, "James W. Sloan"
wrote something
......and in reply I say!:

I think you may have PC (Per Corell?, who AFAIK has _not_ posted to
this thread) of the 3d boats, confused with PC Ford, (who _has_ posted
in this thread).

I confuse both with a PC Cruiser which is not even a boat, or a even a
Ford.
....