Hi

You need to be a member of the different groups, case you are you can
enter the "Foto's" section where you find a number of foto's of build
boats.

These count the Lofoten dinghie the Arendal types the Holmsby type and
various other small real wooden boats build while develobing the
software used. A few of the designs are build and while refining the
software at the danish states workshops for arts and crafts in
copenhagen.

Per,
I have joined several of your groups. I see a number of renderings, and a
small number of pretty boat photos, apparently of "traditional" rather than
honeycomb construction. But I am unable to find groups called
"Lofoten-dinghie" or "Arandal".

Please provide specific links to any relevant photos. It would be helpful
if you would provide a bit of narrative to accompany each photo, on the
design process, lofting/layout, materials and techniques (and
sailing/handling characteristics, if the boat has been launched).

Sal's Dad

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Hi

You need to be a member of the different groups, case you are you can
enter the "Foto's" section where you find a number of foto's of build
boats.

These count the Lofoten dinghie the Arendal types the Holmsby type and
various other small real wooden boats build while develobing the
software used. A few of the designs are build and while refining the
software at the danish states workshops for arts and crafts in
copenhagen.

Hi

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-...foten-dinghie/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-Boat-boatplans/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CyberBoat/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-...ngboat-5meter/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tsunami-Longboat/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cyber-boat-partners/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/3D-Honeycomb-open/

P.C.

On 16 Mar 2005 14:13:20 -0800, wrote:

Hi

If you refere "Sal's dad" you will know the air in this group I quote ;

"PS. You can safely ignore Pers. He's shown himself to be a
single-minded
nutcase dreamer. To date none of his boats have been built. "

Now if you go to the Cyber-Boat group , and some of the other
Cyber-Boat groups you will se what is called foto's , --- these show a
number of genuine wooden boats build and designed by Per Corell,
acturly the Cyber-Boat groups count thousands of members , and fact is
that in this group I posted numbers of foto's all documented by the
plans avaible for free in the Cyber-Boat groups, -------- you can check
the Lofoten-dinghie group you can check the Arandal group if any cheat
in this group want it I can prove what Sal's dad's words are just by
posting the links.
Per Corell

So why didn't you post the links?



Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a


"In this house we _obey_ the laws of thermodynamics." --Homer Simpson

OK Per, I've looked at all the links you've cited. Together with your
earlier postings, I think these links make it clear that you are not to be
taken seriously.

To save others the trouble, I've provided a summary of what I found:


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-...foten-dinghie/
Shows a number of CAD-type renderings, and photos of a very pretty completed
small wooden boat, of what appears to be traditional lapstrake construction.
No info on materials, construction technique, lofting/layout, or
performance.

No discussion activity on this group.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-Boat-boatplans/
Many CAD type renderings. A few compressed "dwg" files. No photos. No
discussion activity or narrative in this site.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CyberBoat/
A few CAD type renderings. A few large compressed "dwg" files. No photos.
No discussion activity or narrative in this site.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-...ngboat-5meter/
Shop photos of construction of a lapstrake skiff, apparently built INSIDE a
plywood mould. One photo of a completed boat under sail. I assume this is
your "proof-of-concept", but I do not see the connection with a honeycomb
construction technique.
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group...ase.yahoo.com/

Also lots of CAD graphics. No discussion or commentary.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tsunami-Longboat/
A few CAD type renderings. One "wrl" file. No photos. Minimal discussion
activity, no narrative in this site.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cyber-boat-partners/
Access to this site denied.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/3D-Honeycomb-open/
A number of CAD renderings, mostly architectural. Nothing marine related.
No photos. No current discussion, no narrative.

Hi

And ???

Then what are you just bored ,would it mean any difference if the
groups carry any other thing. True there are a number of 3D CAD
drawings, prove that there are better design tools than what you get
for free, if you know anything about CAD if you can maneage to order a
full-size plot, you also find the exact plans among the CAD files. And
yes among the foto's there are documentation while these show the build
boats, where your interest is to cheat and lie by posting that I never
build any of these boats, all you prove by your calcus is that you are
the cheat , your interest is not boatsbuilding.

Looking at the atkins plans i thaught id just give a liitle more info
on what i want. I like these two plans the Calypso and the walter piel.
I dont care much about flat vs v just want it big enough to carry 6
people. Want it to be powered well enough to travel around 20 knots.
Want it to be able to withstand a lightly choppy day in the bay/ gulf
(West Coast of florida/st petersburg) it would be cool if it was a
minimal cost type of thing but as far as looks and stuff not so rigid.
Flatback canoe that would fit all those descriptions would be fine. If
anyone could help me narrow down my search to specific areas ie Dory
ect that would help. if anyone can figure out where i can get some
plans for a boat that i might be interested in it would be all the
better. I also have another question. If i find a boat i like but it is
only say 14 feet long and i want it 20 and the sides only sit 1 foot
above waterline and i want it like 3 feet above waterline could i make
it fit those demensions and it still work or no? also i have an older
book that discusses how to build small wooden boats and it says to use
oakum and coal tar? what are each of these and how do they work? thx

Hi
Now there are the difference between old and new technology --- if you
talk about a Cyber-Boat you can scale it all directions all you want,
but you need to scale it "equal" that mean double length double hight
double wide , if you want it out of equal scale you would need to ask
the designer to make the calculations as doing that make foults in the
unfolded panels.
Doing the same with tradisional drafting methods is a hell of a job
even you scale equal, simply all drawings need to be redrawn where
things like stability with a 3D drawing, is a matter of "asking" what
the stability curve now fit.
I could ansver your question about tar and oakum as I acturly master
the art of caulking the old fasion way , but please forget about it you
will not need it true it is an interesting issue but only for real
oldtimers , -- you don't want to listen to the story if you don't want
someone spitting tobacco all the time.

Hi
Sorry you asked and you will get a short ansver without the fumes of
grog ;
The oakum are forced in loops between the planks so it stuff the gab
from side to side not bottom up , for that you need 15 different types
of caulking iron and made right the caulking can not be pulled out,
--- it easily can if an amature done the job one that don't have the
feel only heard about it, the tar is there not to make anything water
tight, only to keep the caulking in place.
Caulking is realy an art a great skill , you would know that in a
wooden boat.

I'm sorry, I must have missed it. Which photo is of a boat built using the
honeycomb construction technique? Be specific, please, as I am not very
smart, or good at following directions.

wrote
And ???

Then what are you just bored ,would it mean any difference if the
groups carry any other thing. True there are a number of 3D CAD
drawings, prove that there are better design tools than what you get
for free, if you know anything about CAD if you can maneage to order a
full-size plot, you also find the exact plans among the CAD files. And
yes among the foto's there are documentation while these show the build
boats, where your interest is to cheat and lie by posting that I never
build any of these boats, all you prove by your calcus is that you are
the cheat , your interest is not boatsbuilding.