(Parallax) wrote:
It is my opinion that alchohol stoves are the most dangerous item on
most boats. The pressurized ones require priming with fuel whose
flame is hard to see insuring that eventually you will attempt to
prime a stove that is already (or still) aflame from a previous
attempt.


Agreed, those old-timey pressurized alcohol stoves were a disaster
waiting to happen.


Wayne.B wrote:
Absolutely correct. It is amazing to me that they were recommended
equipment for so long.

Well, it was a fad because they required a lot of manly fiddling about,
just like an old fashioned campfire.


... For a small
boat I like the gimbeled one burner propane stove currently marketed
by Force 10. It works well and stows easily and out of the way.
Propane stored outside of course.

The only thing I don't like about propane is the way it makes the cabin
so dank... gives off a lot of water vapor. If you can always cook
outside, not a problem. But in cold or rainy weather it is unpleasant.
Also it's difficult to tell how much fuel you have left.

We used a wick-type alcohol stove (an Origo) for years and found it
simple & effective. Never failed, and while many people complain that
alcohol "burns too cool" it seemed to cook everything in reasonable
times. Excellent for boiling up a kettle for coffee and/or tea. We
bought denatured alcohol at the hardware store, much cheaper than
camping fuel. If I were outfitting another small cruiser that's exactly
what I'd get again.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

The Kenyon pressurized alcohol stoves, which were inexpensive and popular,
had their problems. I recollect one whose tank was small and close to the
burners. Having to refill the tank next to a hot burner was unpleasant.
There were other good pressurized alcohol stoves.. I had a Shipmate. Its
tank was large and several feet away from the stove and needed filling only
once or twice a season . Its burners were large enough to provide enough
heat to cook on and its priming cups were large enough that spills were
rare. It gave little trouble in over twenty years.

DSK wrote:

(Parallax) wrote:
It is my opinion that alchohol stoves are the most dangerous item on
most boats. The pressurized ones require priming with fuel whose
flame is hard to see insuring that eventually you will attempt to
prime a stove that is already (or still) aflame from a previous
attempt.


Agreed, those old-timey pressurized alcohol stoves were a disaster
waiting to happen.

Wayne.B wrote:
Absolutely correct. It is amazing to me that they were recommended
equipment for so long.

Well, it was a fad because they required a lot of manly fiddling about,
just like an old fashioned campfire.

... For a small
boat I like the gimbeled one burner propane stove currently marketed
by Force 10. It works well and stows easily and out of the way.
Propane stored outside of course.

The only thing I don't like about propane is the way it makes the cabin
so dank... gives off a lot of water vapor. If you can always cook
outside, not a problem. But in cold or rainy weather it is unpleasant.
Also it's difficult to tell how much fuel you have left.

We used a wick-type alcohol stove (an Origo) for years and found it
simple & effective. Never failed, and while many people complain that
alcohol "burns too cool" it seemed to cook everything in reasonable
times. Excellent for boiling up a kettle for coffee and/or tea. We
bought denatured alcohol at the hardware store, much cheaper than
camping fuel. If I were outfitting another small cruiser that's exactly
what I'd get again.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Jim Conlin wrote:
.... There were good pressurized alcohol stoves.. I had a Shipmate. Its
tank was large and several feet away from the stove and needed filling only
once or twice a season . Its burners were large enough to provide enough
heat to cook on and its priming cups were large enough that spills were
rare. It gave little trouble in over twenty years.

Shipmate made some good stuff, not surprised their pressure alcohol
stove was good too. But I bet it's still prone to more faults than the
wick type.

BTW the stove I have liked the most is the Shipmate Skipper Junior, a
small coal (or other solid fuel) pot-bellied stove/heater. It came out
of 1900s era catboat, one of two in the boat; and then for some years it
lived in a Harkers Islander. I still have it squirreled away somewhere
awaiting just the right vintage style boat to put it in.

DSK

Having to refill the tank next to a hot burner was unpleasant.

and stew ped. dum-dum, you were supposed to let the stove cool down to room
temp first. were you unable to read the directions?

On 23 Oct 2004 02:03:39 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

and stew ped.

==========================================

Once again reminding us that stupid is as stupid does.

hey, ah, weenyne? do you not remember it was you making the claim that reading
directions is too tough for you to do and therefore did the stew ped thing the
stove manufacturer told everyone else not to do?

From: Wayne.B
Date: 10/23/2004 1:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 23 Oct 2004 02:03:39 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

and stew ped.

==========================================

Once again reminding us that stupid is as stupid does.

Agreed, those old-timey pressurized alcohol stoves were a disaster
waiting to happen.

just like the pressue kero stoves of the time, 40 years ago, except the kero
stove sooted up everything in sight, plus were worthless for anything but
boiling water [scorched everything else].

Well, it was a fad because they required a lot of manly fiddling about,
just like an old fashioned campfire.


like kero, and just about CNG.

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:08:14 -0400, DSK wrote:

(Parallax) wrote:
It is my opinion that alchohol stoves are the most dangerous item on
most boats. The pressurized ones require priming with fuel whose
flame is hard to see insuring that eventually you will attempt to
prime a stove that is already (or still) aflame from a previous
attempt.


Agreed, those old-timey pressurized alcohol stoves were a disaster
waiting to happen.


Wayne.B wrote:
Absolutely correct. It is amazing to me that they were recommended
equipment for so long.

Well, it was a fad because they required a lot of manly fiddling about,
just like an old fashioned campfire.


... For a small
boat I like the gimbeled one burner propane stove currently marketed
by Force 10. It works well and stows easily and out of the way.
Propane stored outside of course.

The only thing I don't like about propane is the way it makes the cabin
so dank... gives off a lot of water vapor. If you can always cook
outside, not a problem. But in cold or rainy weather it is unpleasant.
Also it's difficult to tell how much fuel you have left.

We used a wick-type alcohol stove (an Origo) for years and found it
simple & effective. Never failed, and while many people complain that
alcohol "burns too cool" it seemed to cook everything in reasonable
times. Excellent for boiling up a kettle for coffee and/or tea. We
bought denatured alcohol at the hardware store, much cheaper than
camping fuel. If I were outfitting another small cruiser that's exactly
what I'd get again.

If I were ever to use alcohol again it would be the Origo, but it
makes just as much water vapor as propane for the same amount of heat.

The only problem I ever had with an Origo was one where the rivet was
broken at the pivot for the on-off cover. I had one smolder all night
once. Otherwise it is simple, and makes enough heat to steam lobsters.



Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

"Religious wisdom is to wisdom as military music is to music."

Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:08:14 -0400, DSK wrote:


(Parallax) wrote:

It is my opinion that alchohol stoves are the most dangerous item on
most boats. The pressurized ones require priming with fuel whose
flame is hard to see insuring that eventually you will attempt to
prime a stove that is already (or still) aflame from a previous
attempt.

Agreed, those old-timey pressurized alcohol stoves were a disaster
waiting to happen.


Wayne.B wrote:

Absolutely correct. It is amazing to me that they were recommended
equipment for so long.

Well, it was a fad because they required a lot of manly fiddling about,
just like an old fashioned campfire.



... For a small
boat I like the gimbeled one burner propane stove currently marketed
by Force 10. It works well and stows easily and out of the way.
Propane stored outside of course.

The only thing I don't like about propane is the way it makes the cabin
so dank... gives off a lot of water vapor. If you can always cook
outside, not a problem. But in cold or rainy weather it is unpleasant.
Also it's difficult to tell how much fuel you have left.

We used a wick-type alcohol stove (an Origo) for years and found it
simple & effective. Never failed, and while many people complain that
alcohol "burns too cool" it seemed to cook everything in reasonable
times. Excellent for boiling up a kettle for coffee and/or tea. We
bought denatured alcohol at the hardware store, much cheaper than
camping fuel. If I were outfitting another small cruiser that's exactly
what I'd get again.


If I were ever to use alcohol again it would be the Origo, but it
makes just as much water vapor as propane for the same amount of heat.

The only problem I ever had with an Origo was one where the rivet was
broken at the pivot for the on-off cover. I had one smolder all night
once. Otherwise it is simple, and makes enough heat to steam lobsters.



Another enthusiastic vote for the Origo.

The last boat I delivered from Hawaii had one and that worked well enough for bread
and cake baking (using an unregulated pressure cooker as a Dutch Oven)... Never gave
any trouble and seemed nearly as fast as LPG for water heating.

Brian Cleverly



Fresh Breezes- Doug King



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

"Religious wisdom is to wisdom as military music is to music."