On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:08:14 -0400, DSK wrote:

(Parallax) wrote:
It is my opinion that alchohol stoves are the most dangerous item on
most boats. The pressurized ones require priming with fuel whose
flame is hard to see insuring that eventually you will attempt to
prime a stove that is already (or still) aflame from a previous
attempt.


Agreed, those old-timey pressurized alcohol stoves were a disaster
waiting to happen.


Wayne.B wrote:
Absolutely correct. It is amazing to me that they were recommended
equipment for so long.

Well, it was a fad because they required a lot of manly fiddling about,
just like an old fashioned campfire.


... For a small
boat I like the gimbeled one burner propane stove currently marketed
by Force 10. It works well and stows easily and out of the way.
Propane stored outside of course.

The only thing I don't like about propane is the way it makes the cabin
so dank... gives off a lot of water vapor. If you can always cook
outside, not a problem. But in cold or rainy weather it is unpleasant.
Also it's difficult to tell how much fuel you have left.

We used a wick-type alcohol stove (an Origo) for years and found it
simple & effective. Never failed, and while many people complain that
alcohol "burns too cool" it seemed to cook everything in reasonable
times. Excellent for boiling up a kettle for coffee and/or tea. We
bought denatured alcohol at the hardware store, much cheaper than
camping fuel. If I were outfitting another small cruiser that's exactly
what I'd get again.

If I were ever to use alcohol again it would be the Origo, but it
makes just as much water vapor as propane for the same amount of heat.

The only problem I ever had with an Origo was one where the rivet was
broken at the pivot for the on-off cover. I had one smolder all night
once. Otherwise it is simple, and makes enough heat to steam lobsters.



Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

"Religious wisdom is to wisdom as military music is to music."

Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:08:14 -0400, DSK wrote:


(Parallax) wrote:

It is my opinion that alchohol stoves are the most dangerous item on
most boats. The pressurized ones require priming with fuel whose
flame is hard to see insuring that eventually you will attempt to
prime a stove that is already (or still) aflame from a previous
attempt.

Agreed, those old-timey pressurized alcohol stoves were a disaster
waiting to happen.


Wayne.B wrote:

Absolutely correct. It is amazing to me that they were recommended
equipment for so long.

Well, it was a fad because they required a lot of manly fiddling about,
just like an old fashioned campfire.



... For a small
boat I like the gimbeled one burner propane stove currently marketed
by Force 10. It works well and stows easily and out of the way.
Propane stored outside of course.

The only thing I don't like about propane is the way it makes the cabin
so dank... gives off a lot of water vapor. If you can always cook
outside, not a problem. But in cold or rainy weather it is unpleasant.
Also it's difficult to tell how much fuel you have left.

We used a wick-type alcohol stove (an Origo) for years and found it
simple & effective. Never failed, and while many people complain that
alcohol "burns too cool" it seemed to cook everything in reasonable
times. Excellent for boiling up a kettle for coffee and/or tea. We
bought denatured alcohol at the hardware store, much cheaper than
camping fuel. If I were outfitting another small cruiser that's exactly
what I'd get again.


If I were ever to use alcohol again it would be the Origo, but it
makes just as much water vapor as propane for the same amount of heat.

The only problem I ever had with an Origo was one where the rivet was
broken at the pivot for the on-off cover. I had one smolder all night
once. Otherwise it is simple, and makes enough heat to steam lobsters.



Another enthusiastic vote for the Origo.

The last boat I delivered from Hawaii had one and that worked well enough for bread
and cake baking (using an unregulated pressure cooker as a Dutch Oven)... Never gave
any trouble and seemed nearly as fast as LPG for water heating.

Brian Cleverly



Fresh Breezes- Doug King



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

"Religious wisdom is to wisdom as military music is to music."

On 23 Oct 2004 02:03:39 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

and stew ped.

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Once again reminding us that stupid is as stupid does.

hey, ah, weenyne? do you not remember it was you making the claim that reading
directions is too tough for you to do and therefore did the stew ped thing the
stove manufacturer told everyone else not to do?

From: Wayne.B
Date: 10/23/2004 1:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 23 Oct 2004 02:03:39 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

and stew ped.

==========================================

Once again reminding us that stupid is as stupid does.

DSK wrote:

The only thing I don't like about propane is the way it makes the cabin
so dank... gives off a lot of water vapor.

I have seen this being said about both propane and alcohol, and it does not
make much sense to me. As long as you are not using coal, you will get
water as a combustion product. The difference between propane (C3H8) and
alcohol (C2H5OH) for Hydrogen content is small/negligible. You will produce
a lot more water vapor if you use the heat to cook water, or a product with
high water content. And that is exactly what you are doing when cooking
food.
If you don't ventilate enough you will get a damp cabin, no matter what fuel
you use. (unless it is coal, then you will not get much water vapor, but
you will die of carbon monoxide poisoning if you don't ventilate)

So the lesson is: install some means of ventilation over the stove to get
rid of the watervapor.


--
vriendelijke groeten/kind regards,

Jelle

DSK wrote:
The only thing I don't like about propane is the way it makes the cabin
so dank... gives off a lot of water vapor.


Jelle wrote:
I have seen this being said about both propane and alcohol, and it does not
make much sense to me. As long as you are not using coal, you will get
water as a combustion product. The difference between propane (C3H8) and
alcohol (C2H5OH) for Hydrogen content is small/negligible.

Maybe so. In my experience, the effect is much more noticable with
propane. Using the Origo alcohol stove in a small boat, it never fogged
up the windows whereas one of those small camping propane stoves would,
even with no kettle on it.



... You will produce
a lot more water vapor if you use the heat to cook water, or a product with
high water content. And that is exactly what you are doing when cooking
food.

That's true.

If you don't ventilate enough you will get a damp cabin, no matter what fuel
you use. (unless it is coal, then you will not get much water vapor, but
you will die of carbon monoxide poisoning if you don't ventilate)

So the lesson is: install some means of ventilation over the stove to get
rid of the watervapor.

And the CO2. But it's somewhat of a dilemma, if it's cold outside you
don't want to let in too much cold air.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:
If you don't ventilate enough you will get a damp cabin, no matter
what fuel
you use. (unless it is coal, then you will not get much water vapor, but
you will die of carbon monoxide poisoning if you don't ventilate)

So the lesson is: install some means of ventilation over the stove to get
rid of the watervapor.


And the CO2. But it's somewhat of a dilemma, if it's cold outside you
don't want to let in too much cold air.

Y'all are overlooking one more factor in using a flame for heat: flames
consume oxygen. So unless you want to axphysiate yourselves, it's
necessary to provide a source of fresh air no matter what type of
flame-burning heater is used. Since heat rises and cold air falls,
cracking open a deck hatch should do it without losing too much cabin
warmth...only the amount that rises to the "ceiling."

--
Peggie
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Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
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