nope. the FTC sue'd and stopped ALL import of ALL Fiats for sale, and did so
with the undeniable claim that Fiat were not in fact automobibles.

check the court records if you are so inclinded.

From: "auerbach"
Date: 9/2/2004 12:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in
July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single
vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed
traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars
and scooters.

Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure of
Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms may
have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety and
pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you?

yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on
fire.
One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight
motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand --
to
help the young women put out the fire.

It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade
Commission
has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the
consumer
has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car)
and
Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car".

Oh good grief, I don't know why we get sucked into this kind of silliness,
but for what it's worth, here's a recap of safety findings on Fiats, which
with a click of a mouse can be compared to other cars:
http://www.safecarguide.com/mak/fiat/idx.htm

Not surprisingly, there are good and poor models of Fiats, as there are of
BMWs, Chevys, etc. No indication that they spontaneously combust, however.
(If you really want to get scared, take a look at Hyundai, Renault and Kia.
They make the Fiat look like an Abrams tank. I bet those drivers have to
carry two fire extinguishers when they enter the region of Italy of which
JAX is king.)

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
nope. the FTC sue'd and stopped ALL import of ALL Fiats for sale, and did
so
with the undeniable claim that Fiat were not in fact automobibles.

check the court records if you are so inclinded.

From: "auerbach"
Date: 9/2/2004 12:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in
July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single
vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed
traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars
and scooters.

Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure
of
Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms
may
have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety
and
pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you?

yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on
fire.
One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight
motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand --
to
help the young women put out the fire.

It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade
Commission
has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the
consumer
has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car)
and
Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car".

the FTC successfully sued Fiat to stop them from fraudulantly selling their
product as "automobiles", for when a consumer buys something advertised as an
"automobile" that have a right to expect to get an "automobile" and Fiat
product was NOT an automobile by any reasonable standard.

The courts agreed, and sales of Fiat "automobiles" in the USA ended.

you can check the court records, if you wish.

From: "auerbach"
Date: 9/3/2004 7:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Oh good grief, I don't know why we get sucked into this kind of silliness,
but for what it's worth, here's a recap of safety findings on Fiats, which
with a click of a mouse can be compared to other cars:
http://www.safecarguide.com/mak/fiat/idx.htm

Not surprisingly, there are good and poor models of Fiats, as there are of
BMWs, Chevys, etc. No indication that they spontaneously combust, however.
(If you really want to get scared, take a look at Hyundai, Renault and Kia.
They make the Fiat look like an Abrams tank. I bet those drivers have to
carry two fire extinguishers when they enter the region of Italy of which
JAX is king.)

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
nope. the FTC sue'd and stopped ALL import of ALL Fiats for sale, and did
so
with the undeniable claim that Fiat were not in fact automobibles.

check the court records if you are so inclinded.

From: "auerbach"
Date: 9/2/2004 12:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in
July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single
vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed
traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars
and scooters.

Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure
of
Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms
may
have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety
and
pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you?

yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on
fire.
One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight
motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand --
to
help the young women put out the fire.

It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade
Commission
has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the
consumer
has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car)
and
Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car".

Jeez, I drove a Renault Twingo for 3 years in Sicily and was neither
required to carry a fire extingisher nor needed one. Loved it, wish I
could get one here, it would be well on these roads. And at 3.5 M long,
really cute, would carry 4 people or two and SCUBA gear 8-)

JAX, start taking your meds PLEASE...

Pirate_Dave
--
In article , auerbach wrote:
Oh good grief, I don't know why we get sucked into this kind of silliness,
but for what it's worth, here's a recap of safety findings on Fiats, which
with a click of a mouse can be compared to other cars:
http://www.safecarguide.com/mak/fiat/idx.htm

Not surprisingly, there are good and poor models of Fiats, as there are of
BMWs, Chevys, etc. No indication that they spontaneously combust, however.
(If you really want to get scared, take a look at Hyundai, Renault and Kia.
They make the Fiat look like an Abrams tank. I bet those drivers have to
carry two fire extinguishers when they enter the region of Italy of which
JAX is king.)

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
nope. the FTC sue'd and stopped ALL import of ALL Fiats for sale, and did
so
with the undeniable claim that Fiat were not in fact automobibles.

check the court records if you are so inclinded.

From: "auerbach"
Date: 9/2/2004 12:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in
July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single
vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed
traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars
and scooters.

Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure
of
Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms
may
have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety
and
pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you?

yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on
fire.
One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight
motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand --
to
help the young women put out the fire.

It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade
Commission
has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the
consumer
has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car)
and
Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car".

1945 to 1947. Wake up, dave.

From: Dave Cannell
Date: 9/7/2004 11:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Jeez, I drove a Renault Twingo for 3 years in Sicily and was neither
required to carry a fire extingisher nor needed one. Loved it, wish I
could get one here, it would be well on these roads. And at 3.5 M long,
really cute, would carry 4 people or two and SCUBA gear 8-)

JAX, start taking your meds PLEASE...

Pirate_Dave
--
In article , auerbach wrote:
Oh good grief, I don't know why we get sucked into this kind of silliness,
but for what it's worth, here's a recap of safety findings on Fiats, which
with a click of a mouse can be compared to other cars:
http://www.safecarguide.com/mak/fiat/idx.htm

Not surprisingly, there are good and poor models of Fiats, as there are of
BMWs, Chevys, etc. No indication that they spontaneously combust, however.
(If you really want to get scared, take a look at Hyundai, Renault and Kia.

They make the Fiat look like an Abrams tank. I bet those drivers have to
carry two fire extinguishers when they enter the region of Italy of which
JAX is king.)

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
nope. the FTC sue'd and stopped ALL import of ALL Fiats for sale, and did
so
with the undeniable claim that Fiat were not in fact automobibles.

check the court records if you are so inclinded.

From: "auerbach"
Date: 9/2/2004 12:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in
July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single
vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed
traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars
and scooters.

Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure
of
Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms
may
have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety
and
pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you?

yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on
fire.
One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight
motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand --
to
help the young women put out the fire.

It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade
Commission
has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the
consumer
has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car)
and
Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car".

Dave Cannell wrote in message ...

Jeez, I drove a Renault Twingo for 3 years in Sicily and was neither
required to carry a fire extingisher nor needed one. Loved it, wish I
could get one here, it would be well on these roads. And at 3.5 M long,
really cute, would carry 4 people or two and SCUBA gear 8-)

You need a pre-'99 2-dr Geo Tracker/Suzuki Sidekick convertible - fits
this descr, also typically has 4WD & will go (stock) where many bigger
modded trucks with 35" tires won't. Most were built in CDN, & I don't
think the Canucks all carry extinquishers either. ;-)

BTW your earlier work with EG as an antifungal & preservative has
saved me more time, trouble & money than anything else I ever read on
the internet.

lbrty4us,

Sorry, wrong Dave CANNELL, you're probably thinking of Dave Carnell 8-)
Don't worry, not the first time...

Pirate_Dave
--
In article , wrote:
Dave Cannell wrote in message ...

Jeez, I drove a Renault Twingo for 3 years in Sicily and was neither
required to carry a fire extingisher nor needed one. Loved it, wish I
could get one here, it would be well on these roads. And at 3.5 M long,
really cute, would carry 4 people or two and SCUBA gear 8-)

You need a pre-'99 2-dr Geo Tracker/Suzuki Sidekick convertible - fits
this descr, also typically has 4WD & will go (stock) where many bigger
modded trucks with 35" tires won't. Most were built in CDN, & I don't
think the Canucks all carry extinquishers either. ;-)

BTW your earlier work with EG as an antifungal & preservative has
saved me more time, trouble & money than anything else I ever read on
the internet.