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johnny, did you know that fire extingishers of at least a certain size are
required on ALL automobiles regestered in Italy without regard to their
country
of origin of history of catching fire? johnny, did you know that this is
because Fiat automobiles catch fire so frequently?

You try to sell bull****!
I am in Italy, I am born in Italy, I drive in Italy from 1970.
I don't have a fire estinguisher in my car... Isn't mandatory nor sold as
original equipment. Newer been.
Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you?
The true is that you don't know anything about Italy, Italian industry and
European laws, but, because noone knows, you try to sell your bull****.
After this you are the next guest of my killfile...

Paolo
from Pisa, Italy

P.S. Ducati never been part of Fiat... But who cares?
Ducati (only one t) don't produce, sell or promote marine engines, Ducati as
produced, after the WW2, only a small outboard and only for a short period.






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Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you?

yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on fire.
One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight
motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand -- to
help the young women put out the fire.

It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade Commission
has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the consumer
has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car) and
Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car".

Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in
July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single
vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed
traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars
and scooters.

Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure of
Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms may
have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety and
pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you?

yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on
fire.
One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight
motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand --
to
help the young women put out the fire.

It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade
Commission
has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the
consumer
has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car)
and
Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car".

Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in
July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single
vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed

sardine-packed in july? Definitively you must see in winter! :-)

traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars
and scooters.

....and noone have the exitguisher! believe me! :-)
The mandatory "safety" pack includes:
spare weel,
spare bulbs and fuses,
warning triangle,
one reflective jacket to be put on at night in case of on the road repairs.
No first aid kit nor fire extinguisher

This at least in Italy, there are still differences between european
countries.

Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure
of
Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms
may
have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety
and
pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle.

Fiat have one agreement with GM. This can mean that there is also one "no
iterference" agreement about marketing...

The safety and pollution rules are really stringent also in europe now,
leaded gas is no longer sold, car are safety and pollution checked every two
year and car aged 10 year or more are so stringently checked that is more
convenient to destroy it in place of paying a lot of expensive repairs.


Paolo

ALL auto's in Italy are **required** to carry fire extinguishers.

one of the points the US FTC made in its claim that Fiats were not automobile
and thus could not be sold -- to this day -- in the USA as automobiles is the
truely alarming frequency with whic their junk could fire, even waiting at a
stop light.

you are welcome to check the court records if you wish.

From: "Paolo Zini"
Date: 9/2/2004 1:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:


Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in
July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single
vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed

sardine-packed in july? Definitively you must see in winter! :-)

traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars
and scooters.

...and noone have the exitguisher! believe me! :-)
The mandatory "safety" pack includes:
spare weel,
spare bulbs and fuses,
warning triangle,
one reflective jacket to be put on at night in case of on the road repairs.
No first aid kit nor fire extinguisher

This at least in Italy, there are still differences between european
countries.

Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure
of
Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms
may
have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety
and
pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle.

Fiat have one agreement with GM. This can mean that there is also one "no
iterference" agreement about marketing...

The safety and pollution rules are really stringent also in europe now,
leaded gas is no longer sold, car are safety and pollution checked every two
year and car aged 10 year or more are so stringently checked that is more
convenient to destroy it in place of paying a lot of expensive repairs.


Paolo

On 03 Sep 2004 03:42:01 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

ALL auto's in Italy are **required** to carry fire extinguishers.

one of the points the US FTC made in its claim that Fiats were not automobile
and thus could not be sold -- to this day -- in the USA as automobiles is the
truely alarming frequency with whic their junk could fire, even waiting at a
stop light.

Folk, Jax is off his meds again.

Looks like he's heading for a meltdown this time!

LOL, p.c. ford drives a fiat!!!

From: P.C. Ford
Date: 9/3/2004 1:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 03 Sep 2004 03:42:01 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

ALL auto's in Italy are **required** to carry fire extinguishers.

one of the points the US FTC made in its claim that Fiats were not
automobile
and thus could not be sold -- to this day -- in the USA as automobiles is
the
truely alarming frequency with whic their junk could fire, even waiting at
a
stop light.

Folk, Jax is off his meds again.

Looks like he's heading for a meltdown this time!

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:36:17 -0700, P.C. Ford
wrote:

On 03 Sep 2004 03:42:01 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

ALL auto's in Italy are **required** to carry fire extinguishers.

one of the points the US FTC made in its claim that Fiats were not automobile
and thus could not be sold -- to this day -- in the USA as automobiles is the
truely alarming frequency with whic their junk could fire, even waiting at a
stop light.

Folk, Jax is off his meds again.

Looks like he's heading for a meltdown this time!

Let's hope he's isn't required to carry an extinguisher.

nope. the FTC sue'd and stopped ALL import of ALL Fiats for sale, and did so
with the undeniable claim that Fiat were not in fact automobibles.

check the court records if you are so inclinded.

From: "auerbach"
Date: 9/2/2004 12:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in
July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single
vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed
traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars
and scooters.

Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure of
Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms may
have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety and
pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you?

yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on
fire.
One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight
motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand --
to
help the young women put out the fire.

It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade
Commission
has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the
consumer
has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car)
and
Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car".

Oh good grief, I don't know why we get sucked into this kind of silliness,
but for what it's worth, here's a recap of safety findings on Fiats, which
with a click of a mouse can be compared to other cars:
http://www.safecarguide.com/mak/fiat/idx.htm

Not surprisingly, there are good and poor models of Fiats, as there are of
BMWs, Chevys, etc. No indication that they spontaneously combust, however.
(If you really want to get scared, take a look at Hyundai, Renault and Kia.
They make the Fiat look like an Abrams tank. I bet those drivers have to
carry two fire extinguishers when they enter the region of Italy of which
JAX is king.)

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
nope. the FTC sue'd and stopped ALL import of ALL Fiats for sale, and did
so
with the undeniable claim that Fiat were not in fact automobibles.

check the court records if you are so inclinded.

From: "auerbach"
Date: 9/2/2004 12:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in
July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single
vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed
traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars
and scooters.

Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure
of
Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms
may
have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety
and
pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you?

yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on
fire.
One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight
motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand --
to
help the young women put out the fire.

It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade
Commission
has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the
consumer
has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car)
and
Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car".