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Cleaning up 4200
Wow, finally a legimate "boat building" post, instead of a smart-ass
remark...G I just drilled, filled, caulked and bolted a pair of mid-ship cleats using what I think is the best method From the top: Cleat Heavily Cetol'd teak 1 1/4 " block, about 4" by 6", bevelled to shed water and angled back slightly. It elevates the cleat to just clear the toerail to reduce chafe. Epoxied bolt holes, oversized to 3/8" from above and set with 1:1 epoxy with about 15% microballoons as fill. Deck with 1/2" balsa core. Core was reamed out beyond the FG "skins". Aluminum 1/4 backing plate with 3/8" holes. Four 3" SS 1/4" bolts and nuts dogged down to about 40 lb/sq.in (torque wrench). Bolts had 4200 swirled around the heads about 1" down the shaft. I used 3M 4200 and as many know, it's a bit messy. OK, a lot messy. I should have worn gloves, but I didn't, and now the grey residue is on my fingers. Is there a reasonable way short of time and scrubbing to get this off skin? Also, like many, I used about 10 percent of a tube yesterday to do the job, leaving 90% still in the gun and ticking away until it's useless in another 30 hours or so. Can 4200 beads be used to caulk exterior aluminum? The porch caulk is looking tired and I could easily make time to run a fresh bead over a cleaned surface if 4200 is appropriate--if expensive--as a typical exterior caulk. Your thoughts are appreciated. Acetone didn't help much and it's toxic stuff. R. |
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Cleaning up 4200
In working on Ocean Planet last week I found lacquer thinner worked
pretty well on 4200. Jonathan rhys wrote: Wow, finally a legimate "boat building" post, instead of a smart-ass remark...G I just drilled, filled, caulked and bolted a pair of mid-ship cleats using what I think is the best method From the top: Cleat Heavily Cetol'd teak 1 1/4 " block, about 4" by 6", bevelled to shed water and angled back slightly. It elevates the cleat to just clear the toerail to reduce chafe. Epoxied bolt holes, oversized to 3/8" from above and set with 1:1 epoxy with about 15% microballoons as fill. Deck with 1/2" balsa core. Core was reamed out beyond the FG "skins". Aluminum 1/4 backing plate with 3/8" holes. Four 3" SS 1/4" bolts and nuts dogged down to about 40 lb/sq.in (torque wrench). Bolts had 4200 swirled around the heads about 1" down the shaft. I used 3M 4200 and as many know, it's a bit messy. OK, a lot messy. I should have worn gloves, but I didn't, and now the grey residue is on my fingers. Is there a reasonable way short of time and scrubbing to get this off skin? Also, like many, I used about 10 percent of a tube yesterday to do the job, leaving 90% still in the gun and ticking away until it's useless in another 30 hours or so. Can 4200 beads be used to caulk exterior aluminum? The porch caulk is looking tired and I could easily make time to run a fresh bead over a cleaned surface if 4200 is appropriate--if expensive--as a typical exterior caulk. Your thoughts are appreciated. Acetone didn't help much and it's toxic stuff. R. |
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Cleaning up 4200
Almost any type of Mineral Spirits (Paint Thinner) will work wonders to
clean up un-cured 4200. That includes skin if you don't take a bath in it, just wash after with soap and water. I've had pretty good luck squeezing a small amount out of the tube, but still attached to the tip, and allowing it to cure. Come back a week later, pull off the cured tip, and continue to use the contents. On occasions it cures a little ways up the tip, but I've never lost a tube this way. Rusty O |
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Cleaning up 4200
Jonathan says:
In working on Ocean Planet last week I found lacquer thinner worked pretty well on 4200. Dang! I knew there was something going on last week. Sorry I missed it. Did it go off OK? Steve |
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Cleaning up 4200
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:44:03 GMT, "Rusty O" wrote:
Almost any type of Mineral Spirits (Paint Thinner) will work wonders to clean up un-cured 4200. That includes skin if you don't take a bath in it, just wash after with soap and water. I've had pretty good luck squeezing a small amount out of the tube, but still attached to the tip, and allowing it to cure. Come back a week later, pull off the cured tip, and continue to use the contents. On occasions it cures a little ways up the tip, but I've never lost a tube this way. That's handy...I've got some mineral spirits aboard, and I'll "pull the tip" if you pardon the expression before I go racing tomorrow evening. Might give fair winds, at that... R. |
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Cleaning up 4200/Ocean Planet
Ocean Planet was launched without a hitch. (except for being slightly
aground when the weight came off the slings) The governor of Maine was present as was Dodge Morgan, the first American non stop circumnavigator at, what, 150 days? An assortment of local luminaries were present as well, all paying homage to Bruce's adoption of Portland, ME as new home port. The last week was nuts, and we were there until midnight trying to get supplier sponsor logo's on at least the port side of the boat for the launching. See: http://www.bruceschwab.com/news_hldr...ews_071604.cfm or http://sports.mainetoday.com/local/s...anplanet.shtml Jonathan Stephen Baker wrote: Jonathan says: In working on Ocean Planet last week I found lacquer thinner worked pretty well on 4200. Dang! I knew there was something going on last week. Sorry I missed it. Did it go off OK? Steve |
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Cleaning up 4200/Ocean Planet
Jonathan says:
Ocean Planet was launched without a hitch. (except for being slightly aground when the weight came off the slings) Good job. Check the tide table next time... ;-) Steve |
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Cleaning up 4200/Ocean Planet
They did. The Governor was late. The yard boss had just told Bruce
"you've got about 30 more minutes before it's too late" when the Gov showed. She was lifted while the pols were still speechifying The difference of one boat length from the inner end of the dock, vs 2 boat lengths. Then there was a mad scramble to hoist a big American flag, but no halyard had been specified earlier, and they were tied off from the stepping. I undid the main halyard, then the one guy who knew the mast showed up and specified the spin halyard. In making off the multi part main, I goofed and watched it slowly ease it's way up the mast. Talk about feeling like one of the Three Stooges Fortunately a young ape shinnied up, it was only about 10 feet up, but there was no boat hook on board yet Jonathan (with the fumbly fingers) Stephen Baker wrote: Jonathan says: Ocean Planet was launched without a hitch. (except for being slightly aground when the weight came off the slings) Good job. Check the tide table next time... ;-) Steve |
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Cleaning up 4200/Ocean Planet
Jonathan says:
In making off the multi part main, I goofed and watched it slowly ease it's way up the mast. Heehee... You're not alone (details deleted to protect the unfortunate) Steve |
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Cleaning up 4200
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:03:44 GMT, WaIIy
wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:17:23 -0400, rhys wrote: I used 3M 4200 and as many know, it's a bit messy. OK, a lot messy. Next time..... El-cheapo rubbing alcohol from the drugstore is excellent for silicone, 4200, 5200, etc. It is inexpensive, quick drying and not harsh. Thanks, I discovered that when I spilled my rum G, which wasn't cheap, but live and learn. R. |
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