What would be the lightest but easy to build row boat design for car
topping and fishing?

"scp" wrote in message
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What would be the lightest but easy to build row boat design for car
topping and fishing?

Stitch & glue garvey in 1/4" plywood w/ 1/2" seats. Hands down. Bateau and
Glen-L both have some small designs that would be suitable. For this size I
might favor some of the small Bateau designs. Make the hull. Put seats in
to make it rigid. Done. You could probably throw it together doing a
crappy job in a couple days or do a decent job in a week. Paint it when you
are done to keep the epoxy from degrading in the sunlight.

You mixed your styles though. A good boat for rowing is not necessarily the
best fishing platform. Small water fishing platform will be wider and a
flat or flatter bottom.

Something like this might make a fair compromise.
http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=FL12

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"scp" wrote in message
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What would be the lightest but easy to build row boat design for car
topping and fishing?

Stitch & glue garvey in 1/4" plywood w/ 1/2" seats. Hands down. Bateau
and Glen-L both have some small designs that would be suitable. For this
size I might favor some of the small Bateau designs. Make the hull. Put
seats in to make it rigid. Done. You could probably throw it together
doing a crappy job in a couple days or do a decent job in a week. Paint
it when you are done to keep the epoxy from degrading in the sunlight.

You mixed your styles though. A good boat for rowing is not necessarily
the best fishing platform. Small water fishing platform will be wider and
a flat or flatter bottom.

Something like this might make a fair compromise.
http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=FL12

I would probably favor something more like this myself.
http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=GV11&cat=9

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:50:18 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote:

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"scp" wrote in message
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What would be the lightest but easy to build row boat design for car
topping and fishing?

Stitch & glue garvey in 1/4" plywood w/ 1/2" seats. Hands down.
Bateau and Glen-L both have some small designs that would be suitable.
For this size I might favor some of the small Bateau designs. Make the
hull. Put seats in to make it rigid. Done. You could probably throw
it together doing a crappy job in a couple days or do a decent job in a
week. Paint it when you are done to keep the epoxy from degrading in
the sunlight.

You mixed your styles though. A good boat for rowing is not necessarily
the best fishing platform. Small water fishing platform will be wider
and a flat or flatter bottom.

Something like this might make a fair compromise.
http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=FL12

I would probably favor something more like this myself.
http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=GV11&cat=9


Thank you.
How about the smallest jonboat?
Can it be rowed?
I'll be moving around just several hundred yards in calm water.

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:04:46 +0000 (UTC), scp
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:50:18 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote:

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"scp" wrote in message
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What would be the lightest but easy to build row boat design for car
topping and fishing?

Stitch & glue garvey in 1/4" plywood w/ 1/2" seats. Hands down.
Bateau and Glen-L both have some small designs that would be suitable.
For this size I might favor some of the small Bateau designs. Make the
hull. Put seats in to make it rigid. Done. You could probably throw
it together doing a crappy job in a couple days or do a decent job in a
week. Paint it when you are done to keep the epoxy from degrading in
the sunlight.

You mixed your styles though. A good boat for rowing is not necessarily
the best fishing platform. Small water fishing platform will be wider
and a flat or flatter bottom.

Something like this might make a fair compromise.
http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=FL12

I would probably favor something more like this myself.
http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=GV11&cat=9


Thank you.
How about the smallest jonboat?
Can it be rowed?
I'll be moving around just several hundred yards in calm water.


If you want "small" you might look at a D-4 dinghy. Free plans from
http://www.bateau.com/freeplans.php

About 7'10" long they were originally designed as a yacht tender they
can be built from 2 or 3 sheets of ply and can carry two adults, are
reasonably stable and can be propelled by rowing, paddling or a 1.5 HP
outboard.

Cheers,

Bruce

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:18:37 +0700, Bruce wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:04:46 +0000 (UTC), scp wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:50:18 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote:

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"scp" wrote in message
...
What would be the lightest but easy to build row boat design for car
topping and fishing?

Stitch & glue garvey in 1/4" plywood w/ 1/2" seats. Hands down.
Bateau and Glen-L both have some small designs that would be
suitable. For this size I might favor some of the small Bateau
designs. Make the hull. Put seats in to make it rigid. Done. You
could probably throw it together doing a crappy job in a couple days
or do a decent job in a week. Paint it when you are done to keep the
epoxy from degrading in the sunlight.

You mixed your styles though. A good boat for rowing is not
necessarily the best fishing platform. Small water fishing platform
will be wider and a flat or flatter bottom.

Something like this might make a fair compromise.
http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=FL12

I would probably favor something more like this myself.
http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=GV11&cat=9


Thank you.
How about the smallest jonboat?
Can it be rowed?
I'll be moving around just several hundred yards in calm water.


If you want "small" you might look at a D-4 dinghy. Free plans from
http://www.bateau.com/freeplans.php

About 7'10" long they were originally designed as a yacht tender they
can be built from 2 or 3 sheets of ply and can carry two adults, are
reasonably stable and can be propelled by rowing, paddling or a 1.5 HP
outboard.

Cheers,

Bruce


Thank you.
It's in the short list.
I want it as light as possible
but steady enough to fish from.
Any fabric on frame options?

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:47:36 +0000 (UTC), scp
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:18:37 +0700, Bruce wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:04:46 +0000 (UTC), scp wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:50:18 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote:

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...


"scp" wrote in message
...
What would be the lightest but easy to build row boat design for car
topping and fishing?

Stitch & glue garvey in 1/4" plywood w/ 1/2" seats. Hands down.
Bateau and Glen-L both have some small designs that would be
suitable. For this size I might favor some of the small Bateau
designs. Make the hull. Put seats in to make it rigid. Done. You
could probably throw it together doing a crappy job in a couple days
or do a decent job in a week. Paint it when you are done to keep the
epoxy from degrading in the sunlight.

You mixed your styles though. A good boat for rowing is not
necessarily the best fishing platform. Small water fishing platform
will be wider and a flat or flatter bottom.

Something like this might make a fair compromise.
http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=FL12

I would probably favor something more like this myself.
http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=GV11&cat=9


Thank you.
How about the smallest jonboat?
Can it be rowed?
I'll be moving around just several hundred yards in calm water.


If you want "small" you might look at a D-4 dinghy. Free plans from
http://www.bateau.com/freeplans.php

About 7'10" long they were originally designed as a yacht tender they
can be built from 2 or 3 sheets of ply and can carry two adults, are
reasonably stable and can be propelled by rowing, paddling or a 1.5 HP
outboard.

Cheers,

Bruce


Thank you.
It's in the short list.
I want it as light as possible
but steady enough to fish from.
Any fabric on frame options?

Not for that boat.

Probably the ultimate for small, light and stable would be a
inflatable. But not cheap.
Cheers,

Bruce

On 6/22/2011 7:47 PM, scp wrote:


Thank you.
It's in the short list.
I want it as light as possible
but steady enough to fish from.
Any fabric on frame options?

It may be sacrilege to say this on a boat building group but a twelve
foot aluminum is hard to beat. I live in what is called cortege
country. Seems like there's one of these little fishing boats tied up
to 90% of the docks around here.

Some of them are older than the trees that produced the wood you will
use and may well be around long after your wooden boat has returned to
the forest.

A used twelve footer in decent condition around here may sell for less
than the cost of the wood to build a boat that size.

LdB

In article ,
says...

On 6/22/2011 7:47 PM, scp wrote:


Thank you.
It's in the short list.
I want it as light as possible
but steady enough to fish from.
Any fabric on frame options?

It may be sacrilege to say this on a boat building group but a twelve
foot aluminum is hard to beat. I live in what is called cortege
country. Seems like there's one of these little fishing boats tied up
to 90% of the docks around here.

Some of them are older than the trees that produced the wood you will
use and may well be around long after your wooden boat has returned to
the forest.

A used twelve footer in decent condition around here may sell for less
than the cost of the wood to build a boat that size.

LdB

Well, for the most part you are probably correct. I think part of the
problem is most noobies consider building a boat to save money, but it
won't happen, you have to build for other reasons or it really isn't
worth it. That being said, everyone should build a boat at least once in
their lives to this may be reason enough for the original poster... and
I hope it is.

Anyway, although the eight foot pram might seem a good bet, it's very
small for two, and quite frankly harder to build than say a 12 foot
skiff, skin on frame version of this boat:
http://smallboats.com/images/stanleysie3_500.jpg
The lightest (with skin on frame method, not depicted in the above
photo) that I have ever built one of these is about 125 pounds. It's a
bit wide for a standard roof rack, but one can get it onto a pickup bed
easily by themselves.

A nice tradeoff that can be built at about 85 pounds is this:
http://smallboats.com/kc_01.htm
type of boat. (I have built them as light as 80 pounds but a beginner is
probably going to use more epoxy and such so figure 90 lbs) A 10+ foot
pointy skiff with a narrow tail for easy rowing or very small (2 horse
or under) engine... This one would fit on a modified (widened) standard
roof rack on most cars...

The 12 footer boat is great for two, and a dog, a cooler, poles, etc.
although crowded with all that gear, you just can't safely do it with an
8 footer. 8 footers are really better suited for tending a moore. The
ten footer will hold a lot too but it is strictly for protected water.
Here is a pic of on with well over 500 pounds of my friends aboard, it
will hold quite a bit... Here is a picture of the light weight ten
footer with two of my buds in, each well over 250 lbs... Check out the
freeboard still available:
http://smallboats.com/images/jimandrandy_250.jpg

Ok, in conclusion, I think your best bet is a pointy skiff of skin (6mm
occoume) on frame (douglass fir, or spruce)... from your original post,
I think the 10+ foot "rowboat" which accommodates a very small engine
might be your best bet...

Just my .02... Scotty



--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:14:45 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 6/22/2011 7:47 PM, scp wrote:


Thank you.
It's in the short list.
I want it as light as possible
but steady enough to fish from.
Any fabric on frame options?

It may be sacrilege to say this on a boat building group but a twelve
foot aluminum is hard to beat. I live in what is called cortege
country. Seems like there's one of these little fishing boats tied up
to 90% of the docks around here.

Some of them are older than the trees that produced the wood you will
use and may well be around long after your wooden boat has returned to
the forest.

A used twelve footer in decent condition around here may sell for less
than the cost of the wood to build a boat that size.

LdB

Well, for the most part you are probably correct. I think part of the
problem is most noobies consider building a boat to save money, but it
won't happen, you have to build for other reasons or it really isn't
worth it. That being said, everyone should build a boat at least once in
their lives to this may be reason enough for the original poster... and
I hope it is.

Anyway, although the eight foot pram might seem a good bet, it's very
small for two, and quite frankly harder to build than say a 12 foot
skiff, skin on frame version of this boat:
http://smallboats.com/images/stanleysie3_500.jpg The lightest (with skin
on frame method, not depicted in the above photo) that I have ever built
one of these is about 125 pounds. It's a bit wide for a standard roof
rack, but one can get it onto a pickup bed easily by themselves.

A nice tradeoff that can be built at about 85 pounds is this:
http://smallboats.com/kc_01.htm
type of boat. (I have built them as light as 80 pounds but a beginner is
probably going to use more epoxy and such so figure 90 lbs) A 10+ foot
pointy skiff with a narrow tail for easy rowing or very small (2 horse
or under) engine... This one would fit on a modified (widened) standard
roof rack on most cars...

The 12 footer boat is great for two, and a dog, a cooler, poles, etc.
although crowded with all that gear, you just can't safely do it with an
8 footer. 8 footers are really better suited for tending a moore. The
ten footer will hold a lot too but it is strictly for protected water.
Here is a pic of on with well over 500 pounds of my friends aboard, it
will hold quite a bit... Here is a picture of the light weight ten
footer with two of my buds in, each well over 250 lbs... Check out the
freeboard still available:
http://smallboats.com/images/jimandrandy_250.jpg

Ok, in conclusion, I think your best bet is a pointy skiff of skin (6mm
occoume) on frame (douglass fir, or spruce)... from your original post,
I think the 10+ foot "rowboat" which accommodates a very small engine
might be your best bet...

Just my .02... Scotty


The plywood skin on frame method is not
as simple as I thought it might be.
At least as described by Thosmas J, Hill.
Next, Gavin Atkins.
Then on to the fabric-on-frame method.
Any fan of Geodesic Airolite boats here?