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rowboat -- lightest but easiest to build
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:04:46 +0000 (UTC), scp
wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:50:18 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... "scp" wrote in message ... What would be the lightest but easy to build row boat design for car topping and fishing? Stitch & glue garvey in 1/4" plywood w/ 1/2" seats. Hands down. Bateau and Glen-L both have some small designs that would be suitable. For this size I might favor some of the small Bateau designs. Make the hull. Put seats in to make it rigid. Done. You could probably throw it together doing a crappy job in a couple days or do a decent job in a week. Paint it when you are done to keep the epoxy from degrading in the sunlight. You mixed your styles though. A good boat for rowing is not necessarily the best fishing platform. Small water fishing platform will be wider and a flat or flatter bottom. Something like this might make a fair compromise. http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=FL12 I would probably favor something more like this myself. http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=GV11&cat=9 Thank you. How about the smallest jonboat? Can it be rowed? I'll be moving around just several hundred yards in calm water. If you want "small" you might look at a D-4 dinghy. Free plans from http://www.bateau.com/freeplans.php About 7'10" long they were originally designed as a yacht tender they can be built from 2 or 3 sheets of ply and can carry two adults, are reasonably stable and can be propelled by rowing, paddling or a 1.5 HP outboard. Cheers, Bruce |
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rowboat -- lightest but easiest to build
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:18:37 +0700, Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:04:46 +0000 (UTC), scp wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:50:18 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... "scp" wrote in message ... What would be the lightest but easy to build row boat design for car topping and fishing? Stitch & glue garvey in 1/4" plywood w/ 1/2" seats. Hands down. Bateau and Glen-L both have some small designs that would be suitable. For this size I might favor some of the small Bateau designs. Make the hull. Put seats in to make it rigid. Done. You could probably throw it together doing a crappy job in a couple days or do a decent job in a week. Paint it when you are done to keep the epoxy from degrading in the sunlight. You mixed your styles though. A good boat for rowing is not necessarily the best fishing platform. Small water fishing platform will be wider and a flat or flatter bottom. Something like this might make a fair compromise. http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=FL12 I would probably favor something more like this myself. http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=GV11&cat=9 Thank you. How about the smallest jonboat? Can it be rowed? I'll be moving around just several hundred yards in calm water. If you want "small" you might look at a D-4 dinghy. Free plans from http://www.bateau.com/freeplans.php About 7'10" long they were originally designed as a yacht tender they can be built from 2 or 3 sheets of ply and can carry two adults, are reasonably stable and can be propelled by rowing, paddling or a 1.5 HP outboard. Cheers, Bruce Thank you. It's in the short list. I want it as light as possible but steady enough to fish from. Any fabric on frame options? |
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rowboat -- lightest but easiest to build
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:47:36 +0000 (UTC), scp
wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:18:37 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:04:46 +0000 (UTC), scp wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:50:18 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... "scp" wrote in message ... What would be the lightest but easy to build row boat design for car topping and fishing? Stitch & glue garvey in 1/4" plywood w/ 1/2" seats. Hands down. Bateau and Glen-L both have some small designs that would be suitable. For this size I might favor some of the small Bateau designs. Make the hull. Put seats in to make it rigid. Done. You could probably throw it together doing a crappy job in a couple days or do a decent job in a week. Paint it when you are done to keep the epoxy from degrading in the sunlight. You mixed your styles though. A good boat for rowing is not necessarily the best fishing platform. Small water fishing platform will be wider and a flat or flatter bottom. Something like this might make a fair compromise. http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=FL12 I would probably favor something more like this myself. http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=GV11&cat=9 Thank you. How about the smallest jonboat? Can it be rowed? I'll be moving around just several hundred yards in calm water. If you want "small" you might look at a D-4 dinghy. Free plans from http://www.bateau.com/freeplans.php About 7'10" long they were originally designed as a yacht tender they can be built from 2 or 3 sheets of ply and can carry two adults, are reasonably stable and can be propelled by rowing, paddling or a 1.5 HP outboard. Cheers, Bruce Thank you. It's in the short list. I want it as light as possible but steady enough to fish from. Any fabric on frame options? Not for that boat. Probably the ultimate for small, light and stable would be a inflatable. But not cheap. Cheers, Bruce |
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rowboat -- lightest but easiest to build
On 6/22/2011 7:47 PM, scp wrote:
Thank you. It's in the short list. I want it as light as possible but steady enough to fish from. Any fabric on frame options? It may be sacrilege to say this on a boat building group but a twelve foot aluminum is hard to beat. I live in what is called cortege country. Seems like there's one of these little fishing boats tied up to 90% of the docks around here. Some of them are older than the trees that produced the wood you will use and may well be around long after your wooden boat has returned to the forest. A used twelve footer in decent condition around here may sell for less than the cost of the wood to build a boat that size. LdB |
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says... On 6/22/2011 7:47 PM, scp wrote: Thank you. It's in the short list. I want it as light as possible but steady enough to fish from. Any fabric on frame options? It may be sacrilege to say this on a boat building group but a twelve foot aluminum is hard to beat. I live in what is called cortege country. Seems like there's one of these little fishing boats tied up to 90% of the docks around here. Some of them are older than the trees that produced the wood you will use and may well be around long after your wooden boat has returned to the forest. A used twelve footer in decent condition around here may sell for less than the cost of the wood to build a boat that size. LdB Well, for the most part you are probably correct. I think part of the problem is most noobies consider building a boat to save money, but it won't happen, you have to build for other reasons or it really isn't worth it. That being said, everyone should build a boat at least once in their lives to this may be reason enough for the original poster... and I hope it is. Anyway, although the eight foot pram might seem a good bet, it's very small for two, and quite frankly harder to build than say a 12 foot skiff, skin on frame version of this boat: http://smallboats.com/images/stanleysie3_500.jpg The lightest (with skin on frame method, not depicted in the above photo) that I have ever built one of these is about 125 pounds. It's a bit wide for a standard roof rack, but one can get it onto a pickup bed easily by themselves. A nice tradeoff that can be built at about 85 pounds is this: http://smallboats.com/kc_01.htm type of boat. (I have built them as light as 80 pounds but a beginner is probably going to use more epoxy and such so figure 90 lbs) A 10+ foot pointy skiff with a narrow tail for easy rowing or very small (2 horse or under) engine... This one would fit on a modified (widened) standard roof rack on most cars... The 12 footer boat is great for two, and a dog, a cooler, poles, etc. although crowded with all that gear, you just can't safely do it with an 8 footer. 8 footers are really better suited for tending a moore. The ten footer will hold a lot too but it is strictly for protected water. Here is a pic of on with well over 500 pounds of my friends aboard, it will hold quite a bit... Here is a picture of the light weight ten footer with two of my buds in, each well over 250 lbs... Check out the freeboard still available: http://smallboats.com/images/jimandrandy_250.jpg Ok, in conclusion, I think your best bet is a pointy skiff of skin (6mm occoume) on frame (douglass fir, or spruce)... from your original post, I think the 10+ foot "rowboat" which accommodates a very small engine might be your best bet... Just my .02... Scotty -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:14:45 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In article , says... On 6/22/2011 7:47 PM, scp wrote: Thank you. It's in the short list. I want it as light as possible but steady enough to fish from. Any fabric on frame options? It may be sacrilege to say this on a boat building group but a twelve foot aluminum is hard to beat. I live in what is called cortege country. Seems like there's one of these little fishing boats tied up to 90% of the docks around here. Some of them are older than the trees that produced the wood you will use and may well be around long after your wooden boat has returned to the forest. A used twelve footer in decent condition around here may sell for less than the cost of the wood to build a boat that size. LdB Well, for the most part you are probably correct. I think part of the problem is most noobies consider building a boat to save money, but it won't happen, you have to build for other reasons or it really isn't worth it. That being said, everyone should build a boat at least once in their lives to this may be reason enough for the original poster... and I hope it is. Anyway, although the eight foot pram might seem a good bet, it's very small for two, and quite frankly harder to build than say a 12 foot skiff, skin on frame version of this boat: http://smallboats.com/images/stanleysie3_500.jpg The lightest (with skin on frame method, not depicted in the above photo) that I have ever built one of these is about 125 pounds. It's a bit wide for a standard roof rack, but one can get it onto a pickup bed easily by themselves. A nice tradeoff that can be built at about 85 pounds is this: http://smallboats.com/kc_01.htm type of boat. (I have built them as light as 80 pounds but a beginner is probably going to use more epoxy and such so figure 90 lbs) A 10+ foot pointy skiff with a narrow tail for easy rowing or very small (2 horse or under) engine... This one would fit on a modified (widened) standard roof rack on most cars... The 12 footer boat is great for two, and a dog, a cooler, poles, etc. although crowded with all that gear, you just can't safely do it with an 8 footer. 8 footers are really better suited for tending a moore. The ten footer will hold a lot too but it is strictly for protected water. Here is a pic of on with well over 500 pounds of my friends aboard, it will hold quite a bit... Here is a picture of the light weight ten footer with two of my buds in, each well over 250 lbs... Check out the freeboard still available: http://smallboats.com/images/jimandrandy_250.jpg Ok, in conclusion, I think your best bet is a pointy skiff of skin (6mm occoume) on frame (douglass fir, or spruce)... from your original post, I think the 10+ foot "rowboat" which accommodates a very small engine might be your best bet... Just my .02... Scotty The plywood skin on frame method is not as simple as I thought it might be. At least as described by Thosmas J, Hill. Next, Gavin Atkins. Then on to the fabric-on-frame method. Any fan of Geodesic Airolite boats here? |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:52:55 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:14:45 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article , says... On 6/22/2011 7:47 PM, scp wrote: Thank you. It's in the short list. I want it as light as possible but steady enough to fish from. Any fabric on frame options? It may be sacrilege to say this on a boat building group but a twelve foot aluminum is hard to beat. I live in what is called cortege country. Seems like there's one of these little fishing boats tied up to 90% of the docks around here. Some of them are older than the trees that produced the wood you will use and may well be around long after your wooden boat has returned to the forest. A used twelve footer in decent condition around here may sell for less than the cost of the wood to build a boat that size. LdB Well, for the most part you are probably correct. I think part of the problem is most noobies consider building a boat to save money, but it won't happen, you have to build for other reasons or it really isn't worth it. That being said, everyone should build a boat at least once in their lives to this may be reason enough for the original poster... and I hope it is. Anyway, although the eight foot pram might seem a good bet, it's very small for two, and quite frankly harder to build than say a 12 foot skiff, skin on frame version of this boat: http://smallboats.com/images/stanleysie3_500.jpg The lightest (with skin on frame method, not depicted in the above photo) that I have ever built one of these is about 125 pounds. It's a bit wide for a standard roof rack, but one can get it onto a pickup bed easily by themselves. A nice tradeoff that can be built at about 85 pounds is this: http://smallboats.com/kc_01.htm type of boat. (I have built them as light as 80 pounds but a beginner is probably going to use more epoxy and such so figure 90 lbs) A 10+ foot pointy skiff with a narrow tail for easy rowing or very small (2 horse or under) engine... This one would fit on a modified (widened) standard roof rack on most cars... The 12 footer boat is great for two, and a dog, a cooler, poles, etc. although crowded with all that gear, you just can't safely do it with an 8 footer. 8 footers are really better suited for tending a moore. The ten footer will hold a lot too but it is strictly for protected water. Here is a pic of on with well over 500 pounds of my friends aboard, it will hold quite a bit... Here is a picture of the light weight ten footer with two of my buds in, each well over 250 lbs... Check out the freeboard still available: http://smallboats.com/images/jimandrandy_250.jpg Ok, in conclusion, I think your best bet is a pointy skiff of skin (6mm occoume) on frame (douglass fir, or spruce)... from your original post, I think the 10+ foot "rowboat" which accommodates a very small engine might be your best bet... Just my .02... Scotty The plywood skin on frame method is not as simple as I thought it might be. At least as described by Thosmas J, Hill. Next, Gavin Atkins. Then on to the fabric-on-frame method. Any fan of Geodesic Airolite boats here? I think they are great, but maybe not the tool for you. If you are timid about skin on frame then really not for you  What do you find difficult about skin on frame just out of curiosity? You build a transom, a couple bulkheads, out of framing lumber, and bend some plywood around it with a bit of glue and a few nails to hold things together from what I know... Probably not the way you do it. If I remember correctly, several years ago I built one that way because I was too lazy to follow the pattern I purchased. Unfortunately I made it too small because I was not willing to scarf-join plywood. I didn't bother to fiberglass it. Maybe I can salvage it somehow by turning it into a double chine boat. But probably not worth the trouble. I'm wondering why jonboats are so heavy. Anything under 80 pounds? |
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On 6/23/2011 1:14 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In articleueWdnYpDQPR6557TnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@supernews .com, says... On 6/22/2011 7:47 PM, scp wrote: Thank you. It's in the short list. I want it as light as possible but steady enough to fish from. Any fabric on frame options? It may be sacrilege to say this on a boat building group but a twelve foot aluminum is hard to beat. I live in what is called cortege country. Seems like there's one of these little fishing boats tied up to 90% of the docks around here. Some of them are older than the trees that produced the wood you will use and may well be around long after your wooden boat has returned to the forest. A used twelve footer in decent condition around here may sell for less than the cost of the wood to build a boat that size. LdB Well, for the most part you are probably correct. I think part of the problem is most noobies consider building a boat to save money, but it won't happen, you have to build for other reasons or it really isn't worth it. That being said, everyone should build a boat at least once in their lives to this may be reason enough for the original poster... and I hope it is. I agree that to do it is reason enough. I built the house I live in and am now making the cupboards out of what is considered firewood by most. I suppose the biggest decision is what's more important, fishin' or buildin'. I'm sure that question would make most stop and think for a few seconds.  By the way, I own an older sailboat. I could probably have built one in the time I've spent fixin'. LdB |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:19:45 -0500, LdB wrote:
On 6/23/2011 1:14 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In articleueWdnYpDQPR6557TnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@supernews .com, says... On 6/22/2011 7:47 PM, scp wrote: Thank you. It's in the short list. I want it as light as possible but steady enough to fish from. Any fabric on frame options? It may be sacrilege to say this on a boat building group but a twelve foot aluminum is hard to beat. I live in what is called cortege country. Seems like there's one of these little fishing boats tied up to 90% of the docks around here. Some of them are older than the trees that produced the wood you will use and may well be around long after your wooden boat has returned to the forest. A used twelve footer in decent condition around here may sell for less than the cost of the wood to build a boat that size. LdB Well, for the most part you are probably correct. I think part of the problem is most noobies consider building a boat to save money, but it won't happen, you have to build for other reasons or it really isn't worth it. That being said, everyone should build a boat at least once in their lives to this may be reason enough for the original poster... and I hope it is. I agree that to do it is reason enough. I built the house I live in and am now making the cupboards out of what is considered firewood by most. I suppose the biggest decision is what's more important, fishin' or buildin'. I'm sure that question would make most stop and think for a few seconds. By the way, I own an older sailboat. I could probably have built one in the time I've spent fixin'. LdB It never ends :-) I had my last sailboat for 15 years and was still fixin when I sold it. Cheers, Bruce |
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