On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:34:46 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:

A recent posting by Rosalie B. solidified my opinion that women and sailing
just don't mix. It's a crying shame that some sailormen are burdened with
women that they will never be able to please but have to carry as a burden.

This is what I am referring to. Rosalie B. wrote: "I would have said a
smaller boat myself - either a CSY 33 or 37. But that's not what Bob
wanted, and the love of a specific boat isn't rational."

So, right away it seems that the poor man is viewed as irrational for
wanting the boat he wanted, not what she wanted. Right off the bat, a
source of contention?

And then she wrote this: "I find both sailing and fishing a little bit
boring. I go with Bob because I think he wants me to go, and I think he
needs me to go. I would be just as happy at home. BUT - if I go sailing, I
want a boat that is comfortable to live on, not just someplace to camp out
on the water."

Again the poor man's sailing is ruled by a spouse who doesn't even like
sailing. She finds it 'boring.' She only tags along because she thinks
she's wanted. She'd rather be at home but in lieu of home she wants a
floating home. While her loyalty is admirable, being a man myself, I think I
would quickly come to understand that she wasn't really too keen on sailing
and that she was doing it only because she thought I needed her. This would
do little to bolster my self-esteem and it would make me feel like I had to
carry the entire burden when sailing. How could I really enjoy sailing when
I knew my mate didn't enjoy it? How could I enjoy sailing when I had to sail
a floating home with a new problem to address every day just to make her
happy? Sort of ruins the experience for a man, doesn't it?

And she continues: "It's not that fixed a schedule - it is only that if we
don't go to a marina, one of us has to cook, and that's not going to be me.
So I try to plan so that we can go somewhere that Bob doesn't mind going and
I would like to see and where we can pull in and go to a restaurant for
dinner. A plan is not the same as a schedule."

A woman who doesn't cook? What's up with that? What good is a woman who
doesn't cook aboard a boat? The poor man! He must be a saint to put up with
what he puts up with. Even to the extent that he has to sail the boat to
places just because she wants to see them or to eat at a particular
restaurant. I couldn't live like that, could you?

Then there's this gem: "I don't like outboards (we have two), and I've never
claimed to be a sailor - pure or any other kind."

Imagine how the poor husband feels. He has a wife who proudly proclaims
she's no sailor. In other words the entire burden is his. Not only that, but
along with his woman comes a lot of baggage, so much so that one cannot see
overtaking vessels because of the large and high pile of stuff abaft the
helm that can't be seen over. Not only is this dangerous but it's
unnecessary if only the woman was a sailor. A sailor would not abide
dangerous conditions such as that, would they?

My intent is NOT to pick on Rosalie because, in many ways, she's a loyal and
remarkable woman. But, my intent is to simply point out how women and
sailing don't mix. It really is too bad that this is so often the case. Is
it any wonder that real men are so often found plying the oceans of the
world lone handing?

Wilbur Hubbard


Is this the onset of dementia brought on by advancing years Neal? You
need to take the time to keep those socks all sorted and matched up.
The puppet show just loses something if the director can't keep up
with the socks.

Frank

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:41:25 -0400, "Scooter"
wrote:


Your experience is with sissy guys, like yourself. As much as your drug
induced brain wants to think otherwise, you and your sissy boyfriends are
NOT anything at all like women.

On your bike Scooter.....Oh wait, It's a scooter!

Bwaaahhahhahhahahhahhahhahahahhahahhahahhahahaahha haaaa!


He's a very sick guy. You should probably ignore him rather than ridicule
him.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

My intent is NOT to pick on Rosalie because, in many ways, she's a loyal and
remarkable woman. But, my intent is to simply point out how women and
sailing don't mix. It really is too bad that this is so often the case. Is
it any wonder that real men are so often found plying the oceans of the
world lone handing?

Wilbur Hubbard

As usual Wilbur tgets it wrong again.

Women have been sailing on boats since boats were invented. Both
trading and whaling ships sailing out of New England frequently
carried the Captain's wife along. There were women sailing (albeit in
the guise of men) on Royal Navy ships during the Napoleonic wars.
Obviously the very early exploration voyages of the Pacific Island
natives must have carried women ... how else did they colonize the
newly discovered Islands? The Maori settlers in New Zealand brought
their wives. Eskimo women even have their own type of boats. If you
visit Europe and have a look at the channel barges you will find that
many have husband-wife crews.

It is possible to go on and on but why? The intelligent reader
understands while the fool will never learns.

One wonders about the vehemence with which Wilbur writes about women,
witness his tirades about Peggy, one of the most knowledgable people
posting about boat waste disposal, or his declamation above. It makes
one wonder where this antagonism comes from?

However, if one considers the lemon yellow toy boat with the mauve
interior and couples it with the obvious apathy toward women that
Wilbur so frequently evidences one can imagine at least one scenario.

As Rolf Harris, the Australian song writer and entertainer has it:

He's might like a rose,
He wears his sister's clothes,
We don't know what to call him, but,
We think he is one of those.




A fool who knows his foolishness is wise
at least to that extent, but a fool who
thinks himself wise is a fool indeed.

On Jun 28, 9:00*pm, FoolKiller wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:21:39 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"





wrote:

"Bob" wrote in message
...
On Jun 27, 2:34 pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
A recent posting by Rosalie B. solidified my opinion that women and
sailing
just don't mix.

Rosalie B. wrote: "I would have said a
smaller boat myself - either a CSY 33 or 37. But that's not what Bob
wanted, and the love of a specific boat isn't rational."

Ugg!

And then she wrote this: "I find both sailing and fishing a little bit
boring. I go with Bob because I think he wants me to go, and I think he
needs me to go. I would be just as happy at home.

People who are not honest and open. Typical passive aggessive
behavior.

BUT - if I go sailing, I
want a boat that is comfortable to live on, not just someplace to camp
out
on the water."

And so proliferate the Winabagos of the Sea....

Exactly correct to the detriment of what sailing is really all about. And it
ain't floating some condo so you have all the conveniences of home along on
the trip. If you have to take all that crap with you to be happy then just
STAY home.

Did granny Rosie really post the above??? Are her quotes
accurate ?!?!?!?

Yes, I quoted her exactly. Her post appeared on 6-26 in rec.boats.cruising
under the " Boat Problem Question" thread. *"Rosalie B."
wrote in message
.. . *-----There's the
message number.

I could care less about the who is what puppet crap. get back to the
real problem here "women on boats."
I ahve to agree most married guys with a boat are whipped. I would nt
say women have no place on boats Id say, "fat ignorant bitches" have
no buisness on board.

I have no knowledge of the body type of Rosalie B. but that's none of my
business anyway. She sounds like a typical woman of her age and quite set in
her ways. But she also sounds quite loyal and willing to help out her
husband which is laudable. What I do not think is helpful to a sailing
relationship is the way she makes it known that she sails more out of
loyalty than for any real love or even like of sailing.

If a woman did this to me I would find myself telling her to just stay home
then. I think I would enjoy myself more by myself because seeing her around
the boat would just be a reminder that she's not really very happy to be
there. This would make me unhappy myself. But, perhaps her husband doesn't
get those feelings or has other good reasons for wanting her company?

However, I think the attitude of Rosalie B. is very typical of most woman
who "bless" their men with their presence on their sailboats. I don't know
about you but if I don't have an enthusiastic partner then why bother having
a partner?

As for fat women, I have an aversion to them, too. Show me a fat woman and I
will show a woman who lacks self-esteem, has health problems, has
handicapped herself, has no will power and is undesirable sexually. Just not
my cup of tea. I feel so sorry for married men stuck with fat wives who
force them to take Viagra so they can "perform" without ever realizing that
the Viagra would never be needed provided a sexy, slender, fit, athletic
young woman was available. So the man gets (and accepts) the blame and is
accused of having erectile dysfunction because the woman is unenthusiastic,
obese and a turn-off. When will men grow a pair and render the lard?

Ive met lots of qualified women who are great on board! Met a great
26 woman who was an AB on one of thoes big traditional sail boat. I
shook her ha[n]d and it was a callased vise ! Smart...... strong.... way
cute and able...

That's the kind of woman every good captain wants to have aboard a vessel.
And I bet she likes to cook and is a good cook as well. But the main thing
is she's there because she wants to be there and that attitude goes a long
way towards making a man feel good about being there, too.

My advise. dump the ignorant cows and date a women in her 20s. Ive
been dating a 23 yo and she is fun ! These "new women" grew up playing
soccer. lots are great jocks. I doubt shell ever turn into one of
thoes 50+ year old fat helpless cows i read about here. But who
cares... Il be dead by then

Yes, if any older gentleman can find a young woman to play with he will get
a new lease on life whether aboard of ashore. I train with a younger woman
who is a triathlete. She can out run me and outswim me but I can outbike
her. I'm about four minutes faster than her in a 16K time trials and about
eight minutes faster in a 40K time trials. But her enthusiasm is contagious.
And her body is very stimulating just to look at it. I get disgusted looking
at old fat woman and sex becomes the furthest thing from my mind but with a
young, fit, athletic woman it puts lead in my pencil.

In conclusion, women DO have a place on a boat. Jus not the old fat
cows.....

I'd say, for the most part, woman have no place aboard a sailing vessel.
There are exceptions, however. The exceptions, by my standards, would be
young, fit, enthusiastic, competent, strong and sexy younger women. This
type enjoys working their body, sweating and overcoming problems. This type
loves to be sailing and she shows it. This type, after a hard days sail,
will crawl into your berth all rearing to go after one of the other great
pleasures in her life - unabashed enthusiastic sex. This type knows she
looks great naked and knows it turns a man on. Unfortunately this type is
one in a million.

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur The Buffoon speaks! And the world listens?

But, pray tell, what would you - the owner of a lemon yellow boat with
a mauve interior do with a sexy young girl?

I mean Mauve? A manly color, right? One of your little "friends" down
to the Leather Bar must have turned you on to that colour scheme..
right?

A fool who knows his foolishness is wise
at least to that extent, but a fool who
thinks himself wise is a fool indeed.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bwahahaha Mauve and Urine yellow. You're kidding right ?

Fred

wrote in message
...
On Jun 28, 9:00 pm, FoolKiller wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:21:39 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"





wrote:

"Bob" wrote in message
...
On Jun 27, 2:34 pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
A recent posting by Rosalie B. solidified my opinion that women and
sailing
just don't mix.

Rosalie B. wrote: "I would have said a
smaller boat myself - either a CSY 33 or 37. But that's not what Bob
wanted, and the love of a specific boat isn't rational."

Ugg!

And then she wrote this: "I find both sailing and fishing a little bit
boring. I go with Bob because I think he wants me to go, and I think
he
needs me to go. I would be just as happy at home.

People who are not honest and open. Typical passive aggessive
behavior.

BUT - if I go sailing, I
want a boat that is comfortable to live on, not just someplace to camp
out
on the water."

And so proliferate the Winabagos of the Sea....

Exactly correct to the detriment of what sailing is really all about. And
it
ain't floating some condo so you have all the conveniences of home along
on
the trip. If you have to take all that crap with you to be happy then
just
STAY home.

Did granny Rosie really post the above??? Are her quotes
accurate ?!?!?!?

Yes, I quoted her exactly. Her post appeared on 6-26 in
rec.boats.cruising
under the " Boat Problem Question" thread. "Rosalie B."
wrote in message
.. . -----There's the
message number.

I could care less about the who is what puppet crap. get back to the
real problem here "women on boats."
I ahve to agree most married guys with a boat are whipped. I would nt
say women have no place on boats Id say, "fat ignorant bitches" have
no buisness on board.

I have no knowledge of the body type of Rosalie B. but that's none of my
business anyway. She sounds like a typical woman of her age and quite set
in
her ways. But she also sounds quite loyal and willing to help out her
husband which is laudable. What I do not think is helpful to a sailing
relationship is the way she makes it known that she sails more out of
loyalty than for any real love or even like of sailing.

If a woman did this to me I would find myself telling her to just stay
home
then. I think I would enjoy myself more by myself because seeing her
around
the boat would just be a reminder that she's not really very happy to be
there. This would make me unhappy myself. But, perhaps her husband
doesn't
get those feelings or has other good reasons for wanting her company?

However, I think the attitude of Rosalie B. is very typical of most woman
who "bless" their men with their presence on their sailboats. I don't
know
about you but if I don't have an enthusiastic partner then why bother
having
a partner?

As for fat women, I have an aversion to them, too. Show me a fat woman
and I
will show a woman who lacks self-esteem, has health problems, has
handicapped herself, has no will power and is undesirable sexually. Just
not
my cup of tea. I feel so sorry for married men stuck with fat wives who
force them to take Viagra so they can "perform" without ever realizing
that
the Viagra would never be needed provided a sexy, slender, fit, athletic
young woman was available. So the man gets (and accepts) the blame and is
accused of having erectile dysfunction because the woman is
unenthusiastic,
obese and a turn-off. When will men grow a pair and render the lard?

Ive met lots of qualified women who are great on board! Met a great
26 woman who was an AB on one of thoes big traditional sail boat. I
shook her ha[n]d and it was a callased vise ! Smart...... strong....
way
cute and able...

That's the kind of woman every good captain wants to have aboard a
vessel.
And I bet she likes to cook and is a good cook as well. But the main
thing
is she's there because she wants to be there and that attitude goes a
long
way towards making a man feel good about being there, too.

My advise. dump the ignorant cows and date a women in her 20s. Ive
been dating a 23 yo and she is fun ! These "new women" grew up playing
soccer. lots are great jocks. I doubt shell ever turn into one of
thoes 50+ year old fat helpless cows i read about here. But who
cares... Il be dead by then

Yes, if any older gentleman can find a young woman to play with he will
get
a new lease on life whether aboard of ashore. I train with a younger
woman
who is a triathlete. She can out run me and outswim me but I can outbike
her. I'm about four minutes faster than her in a 16K time trials and
about
eight minutes faster in a 40K time trials. But her enthusiasm is
contagious.
And her body is very stimulating just to look at it. I get disgusted
looking
at old fat woman and sex becomes the furthest thing from my mind but with
a
young, fit, athletic woman it puts lead in my pencil.

In conclusion, women DO have a place on a boat. Jus not the old fat
cows.....

I'd say, for the most part, woman have no place aboard a sailing vessel.
There are exceptions, however. The exceptions, by my standards, would be
young, fit, enthusiastic, competent, strong and sexy younger women. This
type enjoys working their body, sweating and overcoming problems. This
type
loves to be sailing and she shows it. This type, after a hard days sail,
will crawl into your berth all rearing to go after one of the other great
pleasures in her life - unabashed enthusiastic sex. This type knows she
looks great naked and knows it turns a man on. Unfortunately this type is
one in a million.

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur The Buffoon speaks! And the world listens?

But, pray tell, what would you - the owner of a lemon yellow boat with
a mauve interior do with a sexy young girl?

I mean Mauve? A manly color, right? One of your little "friends" down
to the Leather Bar must have turned you on to that colour scheme..
right?

A fool who knows his foolishness is wise
at least to that extent, but a fool who
thinks himself wise is a fool indeed.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bwahahaha Mauve and Urine yellow. You're kidding right ?

Fred


Better than rusty, red, muddy and under about 50 atm water pressure.
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahahahahahahhahahahah!

Wilbur Hubbard

Frank B wrote:
Is this the onset of dementia brought on by advancing years Neal? You
need to take the time to keep those socks all sorted and matched up.
The puppet show just loses something if the director can't keep up
with the socks.


It's a mix-n-match sockpuppet show. FWIW I think the original Crapton
is long gone, this is some wanna-be.

But it's been a long standing problem, Boobsprit used to mix up his
various "stage names" also.

DSK