On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:08:06 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote this crap:


Capt JG was in a 32 ft, seaworthy, ocean going sailboat, in open


Who said it was seaworthy? :-) Certainly it isn't ocean capable.


Are you nuts? A 32 ft. Hunter is certainly ocean capable.

I used to take my 25 ft. Hunter out in storm warnings, where you would
**** your pants. I was once out in 60 mph winds. The boat loved it,
even if the crew didn't.




I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:31:16 -0500, Bloody Horvath wrote:

On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:08:06 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote this crap:


Capt JG was in a 32 ft, seaworthy, ocean going sailboat, in open


Who said it was seaworthy? :-) Certainly it isn't ocean capable.


Are you nuts? A 32 ft. Hunter is certainly ocean capable.

yes it is amazing how much tupperware has improved since it was first sold

I used to take my 25 ft. Hunter out in storm warnings, where you would
**** your pants. I was once out in 60 mph winds. The boat loved it, even
if the crew didn't.

of course you did...I'll bet you even had a special nook built into the
lazarette to stow the wheelbarrow you had to use to get your gigantic
balls aboard too...yawn....

"Wayne.B" wrote
Why should he be concerned about a 2 or 3 ft wake? Let's get
real. A wake is a wave by any other name.

Y'know, I'll bet that's exactly what that guy just upriver from me with the
SeaPlow 390 thinks.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:08:34 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:

Am convinced that for the most part, to qualify to
receive the keys to
a power vessel, you must certify you only have 2 brain
cells, of which
at least one must be dead.

Now wait just a minute here.

Capt JG was in a 32 ft, seaworthy, ocean going sailboat,
in open
water. Why should he be concerned about a 2 or 3 ft wake?
Let's get
real. A wake is a wave by any other name. If you are
worried about
small waves in a 32 ft sailboat better to stay home.
Power boats
leave wakes (waves). It's a fact and has nothing to do
with brain
cells, moral fiber or any other personal characteristic.

Is this the attitude of most powerboaters?

It would explain a lot of the poor seamanship displayed by
some.

BTW you *ARE* responsible for your wake.

SBV

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:39:53 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

It would explain a lot of the poor seamanship displayed by
some.

BTW you *ARE* responsible for your wake.

Discomforting a sound seaworthy sailboat with a wave hardly falls into
the category of poor seamanship, common attitudes not withstanding. I
am *very* careful with my wake in narrow passages and around small low
freeboard craft. Not everyone is, but they should be.

There is a common problem with overtaking situations which some
sailboaters appear totally oblivious to. It happens a lot on the ICW
which is none too wide in many places. If a sailboat continues on at
close to hull speed while a powerboat is overtaking, there is no
choice for the powerboat other than leaving a wake. Most experienced
sailors on the ICW recognize this issue and slow down to idle speed
allowing the powerboat to reduce speed also. Those who don't get
waked by yet another "arrogant ignorant" powerboater.

On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:08:34 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:

Am convinced that for the most part, to qualify to receive the keys to
a power vessel, you must certify you only have 2 brain cells, of which
at least one must be dead.

While you are at it, get rid of all the engines, including those in
sailboats. Real sailors don't need them. Joshua Slocum didn't an
engine or any electrics. I wonder what he did with all the time he
didn't spend maintaining that stuff.

Casady

"Capt. JG" wrote:
....
Sailing there, a big cabin cruiser came up on us from the starboard stern...
must have been going 10+ kts, with a huge wake.

At first I thought he was going to cut us off to the point of us having to
take evasive action, but he weaved around enough to clear our side and bow.
The whole time we're waving and gesturing to slow down, since it was going
to be close and the wake was going to be huge. He kept right on going, and
as he got abeam, had the middle finger flying.

A video camera is the best answer for such.



We did a visual inspection of the engine... double checked that the raw
water intake was open, oil level, fresh water level, feel for excessive
heat, sniff test for something burning, belts are on and not slipping. I had
someone turn the engine back on and I put my hand over the raw water exhaust
(it's under the transom, and you can be fooled by air bubbling vs. water
exiting). Water was definitely coming out, the water was luke warm at most,
but the alarm was on. Also, I noticed oil on the absorbant pad underneath
the engine... not a lot, but there was none in the morning... something
happened. Well, we were sailing, so it didn't matter right now, and I shut
down the engine after about a minute. Even though the water was only warm at
most, I was starting to see steam coming out of the exhaust. I started
thinking it might be a blown head gasket, one reason was it seemed overly
rough at low idle.


Could be a lot of things. Corrosion in the exhaust/cooling water mixer
can make steam, and can also cause enough backpressure to overheat the
engine. Partly busted raw water impellor could also make steam &
overheat. It's not your engine, right?




So, we're sailing down the Sausalito channel. Toward the end of the channel,
where we need to go, it gets rather narrow, and it's quite easy to run
aground if you get outside the markers. As we get to a particularly narrow
spot (still under sail, which was good practice for the students), three
kayakers come out of a marina and are slowly paddling ahead of us on our
port side just outside the channel. I can see that they're totally unaware
of us and edging closer and closer to the channel, obviously going to head
across it.

When I got within earshot, I called over to them, saying, please stay out of
the channel... we're having engine trouble and can't maneauver. One asked me
where he should be, and I said, anywhere except in front of me is fine.
Another one stopped paddling, waiting for us to go by. The third guy kept
going! Slowly! Unbelievable. So, I said, Sir, if you keep going, we're going
to run you over. Please get out of the channel. He said ok, but kept going!

Not only a moron, but a militant moron. The same kind who rides his
bicycle in traffic and dares cars to hit him.

It's a shame we don't currently have a legal way to get such people
out of the gene pool.

We've had a couple of issues with kayakers, generally they have no
clue about draft or maneuverability constraints. In New York, we had a
trio of kayakers dart across the channel in front of us (it seemed to
me that they had waited for the opportunity to do so) but we were
already going slow, had spotted them well ahead, and let them go by.
About an hour later there was a pretty bad squall and the police &
rescue boats went tearing out into the river.... seems you-know-who
had gotten lost, disoriented, capsized repeatedly, and finally become
separated from their boats. They could only think to use their cell
phones to dial 911.
..

Well, the final leg was sailing down the fairway, very light wind at this
point... under 2kts, but we made a beautiful docking, and all ended well.


Sounds like a GREAT sailing lesson: if you know the skills & watch out
for idiots, you can still have a good time!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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"Capt. JG" wrote:
....
Sailing there, a big cabin cruiser came up on us from the starboard
stern...
must have been going 10+ kts, with a huge wake.

At first I thought he was going to cut us off to the point of us having
to
take evasive action, but he weaved around enough to clear our side and
bow.
The whole time we're waving and gesturing to slow down, since it was
going
to be close and the wake was going to be huge. He kept right on going,
and
as he got abeam, had the middle finger flying.

A video camera is the best answer for such.

I've got one on my cell phone, but I just wasn't fast enough...

We did a visual inspection of the engine... double checked that the raw
water intake was open, oil level, fresh water level, feel for excessive
heat, sniff test for something burning, belts are on and not slipping. I
had
someone turn the engine back on and I put my hand over the raw water
exhaust
(it's under the transom, and you can be fooled by air bubbling vs. water
exiting). Water was definitely coming out, the water was luke warm at
most,
but the alarm was on. Also, I noticed oil on the absorbant pad underneath
the engine... not a lot, but there was none in the morning... something
happened. Well, we were sailing, so it didn't matter right now, and I
shut
down the engine after about a minute. Even though the water was only warm
at
most, I was starting to see steam coming out of the exhaust. I started
thinking it might be a blown head gasket, one reason was it seemed overly
rough at low idle.


Could be a lot of things. Corrosion in the exhaust/cooling water mixer
can make steam, and can also cause enough backpressure to overheat the
engine. Partly busted raw water impellor could also make steam &
overheat. It's not your engine, right?

I wouldn't think it was corrosion, since it's a brand new engine... very
clean. I like the busted impellor theory. Damn right... not mine.

We've had a couple of issues with kayakers, generally they have no
clue about draft or maneuverability constraints. In New York, we had a
trio of kayakers dart across the channel in front of us (it seemed to
me that they had waited for the opportunity to do so) but we were
already going slow, had spotted them well ahead, and let them go by.
About an hour later there was a pretty bad squall and the police &
rescue boats went tearing out into the river.... seems you-know-who
had gotten lost, disoriented, capsized repeatedly, and finally become
separated from their boats. They could only think to use their cell
phones to dial 911.

Sheesh... usually they are smart enough to stay out of the way, but every
once in a while. I always tell the students to try and hit them on their
beam... they'll sink faster.


Well, the final leg was sailing down the fairway, very light wind at this
point... under 2kts, but we made a beautiful docking, and all ended well.


Sounds like a GREAT sailing lesson: if you know the skills & watch out
for idiots, you can still have a good time!

They loved it. The main issue was at the end going down the fairway... would
we have enough to get to the end where the slip was... but we did. It
reinforced the notion of an "auxiliary" and primary means of propulsion.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

JG,

I don't quite follow the kayak story. Why couldn't you luff your sail.
Sounds like they had the right of way and I don't think that you had an
emergency.

Dave M.

David L. Martel wrote:

I don't quite follow the kayak story. Why couldn't you luff your sail.
Sounds like they had the right of way

How do you figure that?