Greetings all,

Pardon me if this has been discussed before but I am new to the group. Has
anyone had experience with what seems essentially to be a boat time-share
lease, i.e. sharing the use of a boat with several other people, but never
owning it? I was perusing boat ads the other day and ran across one such
outfit and it seemed like a good deal, which immediately made me suspicious.
Anyone here ever tried this type of thing?

Thanks,

Steve

On Sep 28, 9:36 pm, "Steve" wrote:
Greetings all,

Pardon me if this has been discussed before but I am new to the group. Has
anyone had experience with what seems essentially to be a boat time-share
lease, i.e. sharing the use of a boat with several other people, but never
owning it? I was perusing boat ads the other day and ran across one such
outfit and it seemed like a good deal, which immediately made me suspicious.
Anyone here ever tried this type of thing?

Thanks,

Steve

Hi Steve,
I think it is rediculous. You have a yacht in Greece and someone else
has a boat in Uk etc. So you can choose from a list where you wanto go
every year.
I wouldnt like someone using my yacht! It like timesharing.

Stelios
www.sig.gr

"Steve" wrote:
Greetings all,

Pardon me if this has been discussed before but I am new to the group. Has
anyone had experience with what seems essentially to be a boat time-share
lease, i.e. sharing the use of a boat with several other people, but never
owning it? I was perusing boat ads the other day and ran across one such
outfit and it seemed like a good deal, which immediately made me suspicious.
Anyone here ever tried this type of thing?


Several, I think.

I've owned boats in partenrship, and it is not suited to my
personality. Part of it is the inevitable bickering over maintenance
exenses, which made me want to just smack them over the head... we did
not have any repair issues, thank goodness, that can be even thornier.
Just let me say: Buy a small boat you can afford rather than ruining a
friendship going in partners on a big one... or, if you must have a
big boat, go in partners with somebody you hate already.

Places like J-World or Club Nautique can also be a pretty good deal,
but part of what you pay for is professional management of the boat(s)
and expenses, and you have a limited range of options for use. Still,
it's much cheaper per-hour than owning one of the boats yourself....
unless you really have good maintenance skills and use the boat a lot.

Walking around almost any marina or sailing club, you'll see millions
of dollars sitting idle 99.99% of the time.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Sep 28, 9:47 pm, wrote:
"Steve" wrote:
Greetings all,

Pardon me if this has been discussed before but I am new to the group. Has
anyone had experience with what seems essentially to be a boat time-share
lease, i.e. sharing the use of a boat with several other people, but never
owning it? I was perusing boat ads the other day and ran across one such
outfit and it seemed like a good deal, which immediately made me suspicious.
Anyone here ever tried this type of thing?

Several, I think.

I've owned boats in partenrship, and it is not suited to my
personality. Part of it is the inevitable bickering over maintenance
exenses, which made me want to just smack them over the head... we did
not have any repair issues, thank goodness, that can be even thornier.
Just let me say: Buy a small boat you can afford rather than ruining a
friendship going in partners on a big one... or, if you must have a
big boat, go in partners with somebody you hate already.

Places like J-World or Club Nautique can also be a pretty good deal,
but part of what you pay for is professional management of the boat(s)
and expenses, and you have a limited range of options for use. Still,
it's much cheaper per-hour than owning one of the boats yourself....
unless you really have good maintenance skills and use the boat a lot.

Walking around almost any marina or sailing club, you'll see millions
of dollars sitting idle 99.99% of the time.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Doug:

Your last sentence says a lot. Not being used seems to be worse for a
boat than moderate use. So, how to address this problem? For a
cruising boat, I cannot think of a way but for racing boats a racing
club might be the way.

wrote:
The idea that the overwhelming majority of boats never sail is a bunch of
baloney.

Maybe in the marinas & sailing clubs that you have been to.


.... People have different schedules. I'll bet there are people who think my
boat never leaves the dock, simply because we have different schedules.

And the dockmaster(s) who are there all day, every day? The retired
guys who hang out there? You may have a "different schedule" but if
there's never anybody else there to see you, then that would tend to
prove my point that other boats aren't getting sailed much.


Doug is flat out wrong.

Occasionally happens, but not this time.

Ask any dockmaster or club manager what percent of boats get taken out
twice a year or less.

DSK

Doug is flat out wrong.

Occasionally happens, but not this time.


Most of the boats, power and sail, at our club see a lot of use. A
very few don't. I used to think Doug's comment had some truth to it,
but not any more. Once I spent more time at my club I realized that
only a few boats sat without use. Of course Doug walks around asking
dockmasters about the sailboats that don't sail!!!
Anyone believe THAT???


BWAHAHAHHAHAAHA! We sailed today. Doug did not. Doug does not have a
sailboat.



RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Doug is flat out wrong.


Occasionally happens, but not this time.


Most of the boats, power and sail, at our club see a lot of use. A
very few don't. I used to think Doug's comment had some truth to it,
but not any more. Once I spent more time at my club I realized that
only a few boats sat without use. Of course Doug walks around asking
dockmasters about the sailboats that don't sail!!!
Anyone believe THAT???


BWAHAHAHHAHAAHA! We sailed today. Doug did not. Doug does not have a
sailboat.



RB
35s5
NY

Seeing that I sail out of the same marina as Doug, I can verify that.
Our dickmaster makes active note of who sails what when where and why
and can tell you exactly how many times each boat leaves the dock. He
also keeps track of time that each boat leaves, looks out for when you
return and is waiting on the dock for you...he is probably one of the
most "in the know" guys I have ever seen..he makes it his business to
know everything going on in our marina...and there are a lot of boats
that never go out...their owners are living way far away and only make
it there for long vacations...

wrote in message
ups.com...
wrote:
The idea that the overwhelming majority of boats never sail is a
bunch of
baloney.

Maybe in the marinas & sailing clubs that you have been to.
snip


What happened to your Great Loop trip? Can't afford fuel? Engine break?
Blisters pop and leak?

Wilbur Hubbard

wrote in message
ups.com...
wrote:
The idea that the overwhelming majority of boats never
sail is a bunch of
baloney.

Maybe in the marinas & sailing clubs that you have been
to.


.... People have different schedules. I'll bet there are
people who think my
boat never leaves the dock, simply because we have
different schedules.

And the dockmaster(s) who are there all day, every day?
The retired
guys who hang out there? You may have a "different
schedule" but if
there's never anybody else there to see you, then that
would tend to
prove my point that other boats aren't getting sailed
much.


Doug is flat out wrong.

Occasionally happens, but not this time.

Ask any dockmaster or club manager what percent of boats
get taken out
twice a year or less.


talk to the yard apes, they really know the skinny.

What Doug said is true.

Scotty

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:05:36 GMT, wrote this crap:

Your last sentence says a lot. Not being used seems to be worse for a
boat than moderate use. So, how to address this problem? For a
cruising boat, I cannot think of a way but for racing boats a racing
club might be the way.

The idea that the overwhelming majority of boats never sail is a bunch of
baloney. People have different schedules. I'll bet there are people who think my
boat never leaves the dock, simply because we have different schedules. I sail a
lot. Two or three evenings during the week and at least one day every weekend.
If I go down to my marina on a weekday morning, many boats that are usually
there when I normally sail are gone. It may be that many boats don't get used
often, but it's not nearly the high number that is often speculated.

I remember reading a letter to the editor of a newspaper once by some crank who
said he went out on the highway and drove exactly 55 mph all day. His conclusion
based on his observations was that virtually nobody else was driving 55. Well,
duh! If you drive for fifty years at 55 you will never catch up with, or be
passed by anybody else driving the same speed.

Doug is flat out wrong. That's nothing new.

No, you're an idiot.

I've been to my yacht club on every weekend, during the week, and on
evenings. 75% of the boats never leave the dock. The other 25% stay
in the dock 90% of the time. I sail more than anyone on this
newsgroup, and my boat sits in the dock most days. And when it goes
out, it's usually for only a few hours.




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