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Catamarans have something extra....
On Aug 20, 9:25 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 16, 9:24 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Yes, cruising catamarans have something extra. As a simple Google and YouTube search using capsize and catamaran will reveal, the something extra is the remarkable ease with which catamarans turn turtle. With this in mind, any potential catamaran buyer must ask himself if the paltry advantages of a catamaran - things such as small heel angles, slightly faster speeds downwind, more elbow room below (but not load carrying capacity), shallow draft and largish cockpit - outweigh the fact that sooner or later the whole shebang is going to end up upside-down and swamped. Don't even think about what happens if you get trapped under the thing and drown. Just think about upside-down. In other words, everything is ruined. Why put up with a boat that has a designed-in flaw of being more stable upside-down than rightside-up? Is the trade-off between a platform that doesn't heel quite as much and an upside-down platform worth it? Only you can answer that question. It depends upon how much you love your life and the lives of your loved ones. I wonder when the Coast Guard is going to get some balls and declare any and all cruising catamaran ocean voyages "manifestly unsafe voyages" and put a stop to them? Wilbur Hubbard Sir I think you are confusing racing cats and lightweight hobby cats with cruising cats, Cruising cats again and again have proven to be more stable than a monohull and I am a fan of the monohull. The appears to be more space in a cruising cat but this is an illusion as it is just more cramped spaces and more of them, but if you need to know the truth on cats go to http://www.tennantdesign.co.nz/ Malcolm is one of the world's leading marine architects on catamarans. then you can speak with authority, check out the technical details and the record of CRUISING CATS . David Law Thanks but the bottom line is the stability curve. That says it all as far as I'm concerned. Cruising cats have stability curves similar to racing cats at the top of the curve where it says, "oh oh, turn turtle because there's no going back." Since they are heavier, the bottom of the curve looks a little better but that's spurious information because it's at the top where the problem arises. Anybody who claims cruising cats have an impeccable record are not familiar with the facts. People have died when their cruising cats have turned turtle. People will continue to die. The various manufacturers have an aggressive plan to cover up any incidents of capsize. They'd rather people weren't aware of the fact that they are selling a dangerous product. A product of dubious worth when it comes to ocean voyaging where sometimes one just cannot avoid a survival storm. Wilbur Hubbard WIlbur this is easily settled put your money where your mouth is, name 3 people who have died and name the manufacturer of the cat, and show how it caused their deaths. As you want them banned just go for it. you seem to know the facts please enlighten us, but beware some of the manufacturers have deep pockets and big lawyers. Why do some manufacturers of cats claim unsinkability ? which Pleasure cats have turned turtle due to the design or due to the captain taking them to hard, is it design or education? How come most of the southern hemisphere Australia and New Zealand there is a preference for cats, an their not sailed or motored in sheltered waters. Why did not all the polynesians die out it was the only boat they knew? to many questions and as for the conspiracy well I wasn't on the grassy knoll . you mean all these competing manufacturers said "hey guys lets not tell anyone this is unsafe" and the thousands of employees and all the staff never mentioned it to anyone untill you discovered it WOH !!! ELEMENTARY DEAR WATSON ! look at these guys http://www.trawlercatmarine.com/whatisnew.html and go tell them they are dangerous as all their range goes round the world, tell them it won't. Regards David |
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Catamarans have something extra....
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:20:50 -0000, "
wrote: Why put up with a boat that has a designed-in flaw of being more stable upside-down than rightside-up? That is nearly everything. All the ships and most smaller boats. Subs are stable, but they mostly submerge and avoid the issue of wave induced capsize. Why do some manufacturers of cats claim unsinkability ? Probably because they are.Many very small boats are. I have never seen[1] an outboard boat that didn't have flotation. We had an sixteen foot inboard that would sink like a rock if you flooded it, but that is another story. All big ships sink easily and some big ship is proving it, somewhere, most of the time. Cruise ship went down not too long ago. Foam is cheap. Subs are close to immune to wave caused flooding especially when down deep. You can put holes in them, however. The unsinkable stuff can pound on rocks until the foam is in tiny pieces. Metal lasts a bit longer than wood under those conditions, not that it matter in the least. What is the big deal about sinking? Many subs do it every day with no lasting ill effects. 1. Under twenty feet. I think it is legally required, actually. I dont know about the larger, and triple 250's will push something big. The biggest ones probably do sink. I am from Iowa, lakes only, waves under four feet. They have a few ballasted sailboats that will sink. The monohulls. We do have 35 MPH sailboats. Class A scows. 38 foot unsinkable monohulls. Those guys like our 20 foot deep 5700 acre lake, for the Nationals, because when[not if] they capsize there isn't space for them to go all the way over. Masts are forty feet tall. Scows sometimes go over and are righted without any flooding. Not so uncommon for small planing type sailboats. Casady |
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Catamarans have something extra....
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:20:50 -0000, "
wrote: On Aug 20, 9:25 am, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 16, 9:24 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Yes, cruising catamarans have something extra. As a simple Google and YouTube search using capsize and catamaran will reveal, the something extra is the remarkable ease with which catamarans turn turtle. With this in mind, any potential catamaran buyer must ask himself if the paltry advantages of a catamaran - things such as small heel angles, slightly faster speeds downwind, more elbow room below (but not load carrying capacity), shallow draft and largish cockpit - outweigh the fact that sooner or later the whole shebang is going to end up upside-down and swamped. Don't even think about what happens if you get trapped under the thing and drown. Just think about upside-down. In other words, everything is ruined. Why put up with a boat that has a designed-in flaw of being more stable upside-down than rightside-up? Is the trade-off between a platform that doesn't heel quite as much and an upside-down platform worth it? Only you can answer that question. It depends upon how much you love your life and the lives of your loved ones. I wonder when the Coast Guard is going to get some balls and declare any and all cruising catamaran ocean voyages "manifestly unsafe voyages" and put a stop to them? Wilbur Hubbard Sir I think you are confusing racing cats and lightweight hobby cats with cruising cats, Cruising cats again and again have proven to be more stable than a monohull and I am a fan of the monohull. The appears to be more space in a cruising cat but this is an illusion as it is just more cramped spaces and more of them, but if you need to know the truth on cats go to http://www.tennantdesign.co.nz/ Malcolm is one of the world's leading marine architects on catamarans. then you can speak with authority, check out the technical details and the record of CRUISING CATS . David Law Thanks but the bottom line is the stability curve. That says it all as far as I'm concerned. Cruising cats have stability curves similar to racing cats at the top of the curve where it says, "oh oh, turn turtle because there's no going back." Since they are heavier, the bottom of the curve looks a little better but that's spurious information because it's at the top where the problem arises. Anybody who claims cruising cats have an impeccable record are not familiar with the facts. People have died when their cruising cats have turned turtle. People will continue to die. The various manufacturers have an aggressive plan to cover up any incidents of capsize. They'd rather people weren't aware of the fact that they are selling a dangerous product. A product of dubious worth when it comes to ocean voyaging where sometimes one just cannot avoid a survival storm. Wilbur Hubbard WIlbur this is easily settled put your money where your mouth is, name 3 people who have died and name the manufacturer of the cat, and show how it caused their deaths. As you want them banned just go for it. you seem to know the facts please enlighten us, but beware some of the manufacturers have deep pockets and big lawyers. Why do some manufacturers of cats claim unsinkability ? which Pleasure cats have turned turtle due to the design or due to the captain taking them to hard, is it design or education? How come most of the southern hemisphere Australia and New Zealand there is a preference for cats, an their not sailed or motored in sheltered waters. Why did not all the polynesians die out it was the only boat they knew? to many questions and as for the conspiracy well I wasn't on the grassy knoll . you mean all these competing manufacturers said "hey guys lets not tell anyone this is unsafe" and the thousands of employees and all the staff never mentioned it to anyone untill you discovered it WOH !!! ELEMENTARY DEAR WATSON ! look at these guys http://www.trawlercatmarine.com/whatisnew.html and go tell them they are dangerous as all their range goes round the world, tell them it won't. Regards David Your problem, as mine was, is to believe that Wilbur responds to logic - he doesn't. Willie has decided that Cats are unsafe, therefore Cats are unsafe. That is the long and short of it. Logic, statistics or any other arcane knowledge available to the rest of the boating world is totally immaterial. Husband had decided and therefore it is so! Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom) |
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