I'm setting up a stay sail forestay and have a slight problem.

See this pictu http://sports.webshots.com/photo/272...63212926LiUcvQ

The old stay sail stay padeye was welded to an old electric winch
that was tossed in favor of my cast iron hot galvanized triple dipped
Navy number 1 wildcat drum combo. Now my inner forestay will be either
fore or aft of the winch. I guess the best would be right on top of
the bollard, but that would screw up the coating and foul things up
using the bollard.


Which side would be better? ..I'm leaning towards a padeye forward of
the doubler plate under the winch. But in a heavy blow she may balance
better with a small sail further aft..

Any suggestions or opinions?

Joe

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I'm setting up a stay sail forestay and have a slight problem.

See this pictu
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/272...63212926LiUcvQ

The old stay sail stay padeye was welded to an old electric winch
that was tossed in favor of my cast iron hot galvanized triple dipped
Navy number 1 wildcat drum combo. Now my inner forestay will be either
fore or aft of the winch. I guess the best would be right on top of
the bollard, but that would screw up the coating and foul things up
using the bollard.


Which side would be better? ..I'm leaning towards a padeye forward of
the doubler plate under the winch. But in a heavy blow she may balance
better with a small sail further aft..

Any suggestions or opinions?

Joe


I have a suggestion. It's based upon the fact that there should be
support close to where the stay attaches to the mast. The closer it
attaches to the lower shroud, upper mast attachment points the more
support it will have and the less sag-off it will have and the less mast
bending it will cause. With this in mind, the more forward you put the
deck fitting for the stay the higher the fitting on the mast. Head stay
and staysail stay should be parallel, btw. If it were mine to do, I'd
put the stay deck fitting aft rather than fore. This will probably get
the top fitting closer to the support of the lower shrouds which is a
good thing as the staysail is often your stormsail. You might even
consider fitting runners if you find the upper staysail attach point is
somewhere in the middle of an unsupported area of the mast.


Wilbur Hubbard

"Joe" wrote in message
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I'm setting up a stay sail forestay and have a slight problem.

See this pictu
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/272...63212926LiUcvQ

The old stay sail stay padeye was welded to an old electric winch
that was tossed in favor of my cast iron hot galvanized triple dipped
Navy number 1 wildcat drum combo. Now my inner forestay will be either
fore or aft of the winch. I guess the best would be right on top of
the bollard, but that would screw up the coating and foul things up
using the bollard.


Which side would be better? ..I'm leaning towards a padeye forward of
the doubler plate under the winch. But in a heavy blow she may balance
better with a small sail further aft..

Any suggestions or opinions?

Joe



I'm certainly not a rigging expert, and you might want to consult one to
determine where the best spot is to potentially load the mast. Since I'm
assuming you're installing the forestay to use in higher wind conditions,
you'll have to be certain the rig can take the change in the loading point.
It seems to me that a good configuration would be for the top of the
forestay to be in a spot of greatest strength, so near the spreaders seems
ideal, but I've seen otherwise. Here's an interesting picture of a boat that
is somewhat similar to your configuration...
http://boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=426.


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"Joe" wrote in message
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I'm setting up a stay sail forestay and have a slight problem.

See this pictu
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/272...63212926LiUcvQ

The old stay sail stay padeye was welded to an old electric winch
that was tossed in favor of my cast iron hot galvanized triple dipped
Navy number 1 wildcat drum combo. Now my inner forestay will be either
fore or aft of the winch. I guess the best would be right on top of
the bollard, but that would screw up the coating and foul things up
using the bollard.


Which side would be better? ..I'm leaning towards a padeye forward of
the doubler plate under the winch. But in a heavy blow she may balance
better with a small sail further aft..

Any suggestions or opinions?

Joe



I'm curious as to why you refer to a bollard on you boat... typically, a
bollard is what's on the dock... calling one on a boat isn't wrong, but it's
not common.


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www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote
Which side would be better? ..I'm leaning towards a padeye forward of
the doubler plate under the winch. But in a heavy blow she may balance
better with a small sail further aft..

Any suggestions or opinions?


Yep. Put the storm jib tack on a pennant to raise it off the deck.
This accomplishes two things: raises it up above solid water sweeping
across the foredeck, thu lowering the odds that it will be ripped in
the first ten minutes of real gale conditions; and also moves the sail
aft (since the stay is slanted that way).

The best place to put the chainplate for the inner forestay is
definitely going to be forward of the winch. I'd suggest at the inside
of the stem head, where the bulwarks around the foredeck meet.

A bigger question is where to terminate the inner stay on the mast. If
you looked at the pic in Jon's link, that double-staysail ketch had 3
lowers on the mainmast. Your rig shows only one. That means you either
need to add a set of shrouds led aft to offset the forward pull of the
inner forestay, terminated at the same point on the mast; or bring the
inner forestay to the lower spreaders. That would be the simplest
option and the way I'd lean. It would also do the most to bring the
center of offort of the storm staysail aft.

"Capt. JG" wrote:
I'm curious as to why you refer to a bollard on you boat... typically, a
bollard is what's on the dock... calling one on a boat isn't wrong, but it's
not common.

He's referring to the captain.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Aug 10, 5:31 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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I'm setting up a stay sail forestay and have a slight problem.

See this pictu
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/272...63212926LiUcvQ

The old stay sail stay padeye was welded to an old electric winch
that was tossed in favor of my cast iron hot galvanized triple dipped
Navy number 1 wildcat drum combo. Now my inner forestay will be either
fore or aft of the winch. I guess the best would be right on top of
the bollard, but that would screw up the coating and foul things up
using the bollard.

Which side would be better? ..I'm leaning towards a padeye forward of
the doubler plate under the winch. But in a heavy blow she may balance
better with a small sail further aft..

Any suggestions or opinions?

Joe

I'm curious as to why you refer to a bollard on you boat... typically, a
bollard is what's on the dock... calling one on a boat isn't wrong, but it's
not common.

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http://sports.webshots.com/photo/216...63212926WOnZjw

Just what would you call the thingy sticking out the top of the
winch?

Joe

On Aug 10, 7:51 pm, wrote:
"Joe" wrote
Which side would be better? ..I'm leaning towards a padeye forward of
the doubler plate under the winch. But in a heavy blow she may balance
better with a small sail further aft..

Any suggestions or opinions?

Yep. Put the storm jib tack on a pennant to raise it off the deck.
This accomplishes two things: raises it up above solid water sweeping
across the foredeck, thu lowering the odds that it will be ripped in
the first ten minutes of real gale conditions; and also moves the sail
aft (since the stay is slanted that way).

The best place to put the chainplate for the inner forestay is
definitely going to be forward of the winch. I'd suggest at the inside
of the stem head, where the bulwarks around the foredeck meet.

A bigger question is where to terminate the inner stay on the mast. If
you looked at the pic in Jon's link, that double-staysail ketch had 3
lowers on the mainmast. Your rig shows only one. That means you either
need to add a set of shrouds led aft to offset the forward pull of the
inner forestay, terminated at the same point on the mast; or bring the
inner forestay to the lower spreaders. That would be the simplest
option and the way I'd lean. It would also do the most to bring the
center of offort of the storm staysail aft.

"Capt. JG" wrote:
I'm curious as to why you refer to a bollard on you boat... typically, a
bollard is what's on the dock... calling one on a boat isn't wrong, but it's
not common.

He's referring to the captain.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

It's not a capstain.

Joe

On Aug 10, 11:04 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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I'm setting up a stay sail forestay and have a slight problem.

See this pictu
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/272...63212926LiUcvQ

The old stay sail stay padeye was welded to an old electric winch
that was tossed in favor of my cast iron hot galvanized triple dipped
Navy number 1 wildcat drum combo. Now my inner forestay will be either
fore or aft of the winch. I guess the best would be right on top of
the bollard, but that would screw up the coating and foul things up
using the bollard.

Which side would be better? ..I'm leaning towards a padeye forward of
the doubler plate under the winch. But in a heavy blow she may balance
better with a small sail further aft..

Any suggestions or opinions?

Joe

I have a suggestion. It's based upon the fact that there should be
support close to where the stay attaches to the mast. The closer it
attaches to the lower shroud, upper mast attachment points the more
support it will have and the less sag-off it will have and the less mast
bending it will cause. With this in mind, the more forward you put the
deck fitting for the stay the higher the fitting on the mast. Head stay
and staysail stay should be parallel, btw. If it were mine to do, I'd
put the stay deck fitting aft rather than fore. This will probably get
the top fitting closer to the support of the lower shrouds which is a
good thing as the staysail is often your stormsail. You might even
consider fitting runners if you find the upper staysail attach point is
somewhere in the middle of an unsupported area of the mast.

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If you look at this pictu
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/138...63212926ANQKPO

You can see the pad eye just under the top spreaders where the inner
stay attaches, under the triangle looking platform.

For it to run parallel the forward stay then I would have to attach
it to the winch..Thats the problem. So it's either fore by 12" or aft
by 8" at the base from parallel.

Joe

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I'm setting up a stay sail forestay and have a slight problem.

See this pictu
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/272...63212926LiUcvQ

The old stay sail stay padeye was welded to an old electric winch
that was tossed in favor of my cast iron hot galvanized triple
dipped
Navy number 1 wildcat drum combo. Now my inner forestay will be
either
fore or aft of the winch. I guess the best would be right on top of
the bollard, but that would screw up the coating and foul things up
using the bollard.

Which side would be better? ..I'm leaning towards a padeye forward
of
the doubler plate under the winch. But in a heavy blow she may
balance
better with a small sail further aft..

Any suggestions or opinions?

Joe

I'm curious as to why you refer to a bollard on you boat...
typically, a
bollard is what's on the dock... calling one on a boat isn't wrong,
but it's
not common.

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http://sports.webshots.com/photo/216...63212926WOnZjw

Just what would you call the thingy sticking out the top of the
winch?


A palmetto?

Wilbur Hubbard

On Aug 10, 8:27 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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On Aug 10, 5:31 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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I'm setting up a stay sail forestay and have a slight problem.

See this pictu
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/272...63212926LiUcvQ

The old stay sail stay padeye was welded to an old electric winch
that was tossed in favor of my cast iron hot galvanized triple
dipped
Navy number 1 wildcat drum combo. Now my inner forestay will be
either
fore or aft of the winch. I guess the best would be right on top of
the bollard, but that would screw up the coating and foul things up
using the bollard.

Which side would be better? ..I'm leaning towards a padeye forward
of
the doubler plate under the winch. But in a heavy blow she may
balance
better with a small sail further aft..

Any suggestions or opinions?

Joe

I'm curious as to why you refer to a bollard on you boat...
typically, a
bollard is what's on the dock... calling one on a boat isn't wrong,
but it's
not common.

--
"j" ganz -Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/216...63212926WOnZjw

Just what would you call the thingy sticking out the top of the
winch?

A palmetto?

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That's a new term to me, but is somewhat fitting. However I think the
proper term is bollard.

Joe