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Mac26X fit for all waters
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Myth#11 Mac26 is not for ocean sailing. Go ahead, click the link and see just how good and seaworthy a professional captain thinks the Mac really is. Dare you. Jeff expecially. If you're too much of a coward to admit how good the Mac26X is don't click the link and don't read a little of what it has in it that I pasted right here.-- Owing to "focally ruptured gangreous acute appendicitis", I spent the better part of January 2001 arguing about this (the Mac26x is fit for all waters), rather than sailing or working, and have 80 pages of emails as well as several magazines and books on boat design involving the subject. According to Sea magazine (April 2005) "California's coastline is not particularly trailerboat-friendly - the areas where you can take small or trailerboats are limited, so it also would stand to reason that boaters would be heading to inland lakes and rivers in droves." But MacGregor Yachts has always oriented its products for world-wide coastal ocean and not just Califorina sales. The manufacturer believes that a 26 footer is too small to hold enough gear and supplies for passage. However, at least one Mac26x dealer considers ocean passage to be within the boat's design parameters and in 1999 more that a few Mac26x vessels made the trip from Crandon Park marina on Miami's Key Biscayn or nearby to the Bahamas. At least one Mac26x yacht made the trip from the city marina at Garison Bight in Key West to the Marquesas and on to the Tortugas. The 1000 mile coast of Florida has been sailed by a Mac26x. And two Mac26x cruisers (from Bellingham and Everett) were outfitted for an Alaskan inside passage (over 2000 miles) following the Cassiopeia in that regard. Those who find the ride of a light displacement under 30 foot sailboat preferable in ocean swells see its potential as a long-distance passage maker. This is demonstrated by reports that MacGregor Yachts receives many unsolicited requests for sponsorship of expeditions involving Mac26x ocean passages and by the consideration given to adding a platform (as discussed above) which would be used for storage during an extended cruise. It is also a favorite for chartering at blue water destinations such as the BVI, Bahamas Malaysia, Spain and Belize. Told you so. I enjoy being your mentor... Oh, be sure to visit my new anti-drug abuse site linked under my name. Also please click on a link or two for the sponsors to keep this site free of charges. Much appreciated. -- Cheerio, Ed Gordon http://www.freewebs.com/egordon873/index.htm |
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@aol.com says... http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/p11.htm Myth#11 Mac26 is not for ocean sailing. Go ahead, click the link and see just how good and seaworthy a professional captain thinks the Mac really is. Dare you. Jeff expecially. Wow gee whiz. I didn't read all the guff - what a god awful website. I did find this though... http://www.ne-ts.com/ar/ar-407capsize.html My own comments on a Mac 26X - which I tried out (a new one) two years ago. Is it a sailing boat or a speedboat? My biggest gripe, for a brand new boat, is that it is beaten on the water (sailing) by boats that are 25 years old (eg Farr 7.5, Noelex 25). (I bought a Farr 7.5 in the end, BTW). I was pleasantly surprised by it's pointing ability, but again much older boats out point it (as probably expected given it's 'cross nature' design). And is it a speedboat? No, no way. It's good to have the motor to get out of trouble (before the weather hits) quickly. But *in* the heavier stuff, presumably you have the ballast in place, so a reduced speed, and would be going much slower than that anyway given it's hull design in rough sea. The price is good, and the cabin is spacious in feel. I like that. The rigging looks and feels *way* too light for my liking - however I note of few reports of breakages - so I supose that's good. The whole rudder assembly likewise seems too light in construction. Overall I think the Mac retains it's - it's neither this, and it's neither that - label, sorry. -- Duncan |
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:31:54 +1200, Duncan McC (NZ)
wrote: My own comments on a Mac 26X - which I tried out (a new one) two years ago. Is it a sailing boat or a speedboat? My biggest gripe, for a brand new boat, is that it is beaten on the water (sailing) by boats that are 25 years old (eg Farr 7.5, Noelex 25). (I bought a Farr 7.5 in the end, BTW). I was pleasantly surprised by it's pointing ability, but again much older boats out point it (as probably expected given it's 'cross nature' design). I couldn't find any Farr 7.5's for sale in the U.S., but maybe they come on market sometimes. Do they still make them? Looks like a nice boat. Probably not many made the trip to the U.S. There was a long thread in the Mac forum where an Aussie went through contortions having a Mac 26X shipped there. Shipping container prices, fumigation, trailer rules/modifications, etc. Ended costing him quite a bit. I couldn't quite figure why he would do it. Then another Aussie mentioned the outrageous price asked for the Mac there (60k AUS for the X, 70k AUS for the M) and said that despite his costs he will come out ahead should he decide to sell it off. He is himself arranging an import. The X and M are almost identical, with the M being the newer version. A new M in the U.S. will cost maybe 30-34K U.S. tricked out with a 4-stroke 50HP and other common add-ons. I think the bare boat itself with trailer and just a mainsail is 20-24K U.S. Apparently trade between the U.S. and Oz/NZ is well restricted between distance and regs. One of my sons recently sold his Chicago based Bayliner powerboat for an attractive price (he wanted a quick sale) to an Aussie working in Indiana. The fellow told my son he would be sending the boat off for sale in Australia and pocket 10k U.S. on the deal. All very strange. Another of my sons now resides in Sydney and tells me there are similar price anomalies with some U.S. cars, where older models not given a second look here (Ford Taurus, eg) sell for seemingly large sums in Australia. If I had more energy I might look into U.S./Oz import/export business. The price is good, and the cabin is spacious in feel. I like that. Pretty scary you would say the price is good for a Mac 26 in Oz/NZ, given what I've heard. Were you looking there or in the U.S.? Agree on the Mac 26 cabin. The spartan nature gives it a less claustrophobic feel than similar sized boats. But some will see that lack of cabinetry as inadequate stowage. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote in
: I couldn't find any Farr 7.5's for sale in the U.S., but maybe they come on market sometimes. Do they still make them? Looks like a nice boat. Probably not many made the trip to the U.S. There was a long thread in the Mac forum where an Aussie went through contortions having a Mac 26X shipped there. Shipping container prices, fumigation, trailer rules/modifications, etc. Ended costing him quite a bit. I couldn't quite figure why he would do it. Then another Aussie mentioned the outrageous price asked for the Mac there (60k AUS for the X, 70k AUS for the M) and said that despite his costs he will come out ahead should he decide to sell it off. He is himself arranging an import. The X and M are almost identical, with the M being the newer version. A new M in the U.S. will cost maybe 30-34K U.S. tricked out with a 4-stroke 50HP and other common add-ons. I think the bare boat itself with trailer and just a mainsail is 20-24K U.S. Apparently trade between the U.S. and Oz/NZ is well restricted between distance and regs. One of my sons recently sold his Chicago based Bayliner powerboat for an attractive price (he wanted a quick sale) to an Aussie working in Indiana. The fellow told my son he would be sending the boat off for sale in Australia and pocket 10k U.S. on the deal. All very strange. Another of my sons now resides in Sydney and tells me there are similar price anomalies with some U.S. cars, where older models not given a second look here (Ford Taurus, eg) sell for seemingly large sums in Australia. If I had more energy I might look into U.S./Oz import/export business. The price is good, and the cabin is spacious in feel. I like that. Pretty scary you would say the price is good for a Mac 26 in Oz/NZ, given what I've heard. Were you looking there or in the U.S.? Agree on the Mac 26 cabin. The spartan nature gives it a less claustrophobic feel than similar sized boats. But some will see that lack of cabinetry as inadequate stowage. --Vic Think of the opportunity for some young Australian adventurer who wants to make some good money. Hitch a ride on a yacht as crew en route to California. Buy a Mac26M in California and sail it to Australia. Then sell it there. Good sailing for the adventurer and good bargain for the buyer and everybody's happy. I bet some young man or woman could do three or four trips a year and make a decent enough living.Might even write a book about it and make even more money. -- Cheerio, Ed Gordon http://www.freewebs.com/egordon873/index.htm |
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"Ed Gordon" wrote in message 8... Think of the opportunity for some young Australian adventurer who wants to make some good money. Hitch a ride on a yacht as crew en route to California. Buy a Mac26M in California and sail it to Australia. Then sell it there. Good sailing for the adventurer and good bargain for the buyer and everybody's happy. I bet some young man or woman could do three or four trips a year and make a decent enough living.Might even write a book about it and make even more money. -- Cheerio, Ed Gordon http://www.freewebs.com/egordon873/index.htm You don't really think that's a feasible plan, do you Ed? |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et: You don't really think that's a feasible plan, do you Ed? Why not? Some kid just crossed from England to the BVI islands in a sailboat that's a Mac copy. A real Mac should be capable of an easy downwind Pacific run. You'd have to stock up on groceries carefully and maybe use the water ballast tank for your fresh water but you could make it. The engine would do you little good for such a long trip so maybe be a purist and go engineless?? They probably have cheap engines in Australia anyway, think? -- Cheerio, Ed Gordon http://www.freewebs.com/egordon873/index.htm |
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Duncan McC (NZ) wrote in
. nz: Pretty scary you would say the price is good for a Mac 26 in Oz/NZ, given what I've heard. Were you looking there or in the U.S.? Agree on the Mac 26 cabin. The spartan nature gives it a less claustrophobic feel than similar sized boats. But some will see that lack of cabinetry as inadequate stowage. Indeed the word 'spartan' came to mind - and indeed there is not a lot of locker space as a result - probably not *that* bad for a weekend or even a week away - at least everything is at hand (don't have to rumage around lockers - as I do on my boat). There's more storage space than you might think. Check out this video and watch the part where the dude shows all the storage. Pretty impressive sales pitch. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...19&q=macgregor -- Cheerio, Ed Gordon http://www.freewebs.com/egordon873/index.htm |
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Duncan McC (NZ) wrote in
. nz: In article , egordon873 @aol.com says... http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/p11.htm Myth#11 Mac26 is not for ocean sailing. Go ahead, click the link and see just how good and seaworthy a professional captain thinks the Mac really is. Dare you. Jeff expecially. Wow gee whiz. I didn't read all the guff - what a god awful website. I did find this though... http://www.ne-ts.com/ar/ar-407capsize.html You can't blame the boat for that terrible tragedy. It said the guy was drunk and it said this too: "The boat that capsized on the Fourth of July and killed two children was overloaded and was being used incorrectly, according to the boat's manufacturer." "The 26-foot MacGregor, which is a cross between a sailboat and a power boat, is designed to hold up to six people, according to Roger MacGregor, the boat company's owner. The boat carried 11 people the night of July 4." "The boat's hybrid design uses a water tank on the bottom to provide stability. The tank should be filled when there are more than four people on board, MacGregor said. The tank on the boat driven July 4 by George Dean Martin was empty, according to the prosecutor in the case." The guy was dumb and drunk. Don't blame the Mac!!! My own comments on a Mac 26X - which I tried out (a new one) two years ago. Is it a sailing boat or a speedboat? My biggest gripe, for a brand new boat, is that it is beaten on the water (sailing) by boats that are 25 years old (eg Farr 7.5, Noelex 25). (I bought a Farr 7.5 in the end, BTW). I was pleasantly surprised by it's pointing ability, but again much older boats out point it (as probably expected given it's 'cross nature' design). And is it a speedboat? No, no way. It's good to have the motor to get out of trouble (before the weather hits) quickly. But *in* the heavier stuff, presumably you have the ballast in place, so a reduced speed, and would be going much slower than that anyway given it's hull design in rough sea. The price is good, and the cabin is spacious in feel. I like that. The rigging looks and feels *way* too light for my liking - however I note of few reports of breakages - so I supose that's good. The whole rudder assembly likewise seems too light in construction. Overall I think the Mac retains it's - it's neither this, and it's neither that - label, sorry. It's what you make of it. If you want it to be a saiboat it's a pretty fast and safe sailboat. If you want a motorboat it's a pretty fast and safe motor boat. It's the best of both worlds. Everybody who doesn't know anything complains about the rudders. They say they are too lightly built. They are too dumb to remember they are slender because they also are a power boat rudders that have to be able to go throught the water way faster than a heavy keelboat rudder has to. They are tuffer than you think since they hold up going twenty or more mph. The rigging is light so it's easier to put the mast up and down. It's a trailerable boat remember. You can't make the mast and wiring too big or it'll be too heavy to put it up. It's designed to be light and strong and is plenty strong for the sails you get with it. -- Cheerio, Ed Gordon http://www.freewebs.com/egordon873/index.htm |
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