In article ,
katy wrote:
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article ,
Dave wrote:

On 17 Apr 2007 12:46:29 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:


I'm advocating what
the majority of Americans want

Hurry!!! Jump on the band wagon.!


Hurry!!! Who gives a sh*t what the people actually want! Not the gun, oil,
insurance, tobacco lobbies...


Once again, which people Where are they? Why aren't there petitions? WHy
aren't there amendments? Why isn't Congress forcing it through? Tell you
why...your supposition is incorrect...

See previous list of big money interests.

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In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:
Once again, which people Where are they? Why aren't there petitions? WHy
aren't there amendments? Why isn't Congress forcing it through? Tell you
why...your supposition is incorrect...

This is the same 'vast majority' of Americans who believe global warming is
going to put us in the deep freeze within a year or so, at least according
to Jon.

Yeah, the same people who went to college and actually learned
something.

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OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:57:43 -0400, katy
scribbled thusly:



Becasue the liberals passed the HIPPA (Hralth Insurance Portability and
Protection Act) laaws which disallow any release of medical information
if not specifically permitted by the patient...to release medical
information without the express permission of the subject is a breach of
privacy under this act and is prosecutable...hey...the libs wrote
it...talk to them...kid should have been in an institution...libs got
rid of those too so the mentally ill could mainstream with the rest of
society...


OK, so you have a set of loose gun control regulations which will
allow mentally unstable people to purchase a pistol because their
illness is only their affair.
Great!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.

As a former HR person who had to deal with the massive bulk of the HIPPA
Privacy law on both the employee and the patient side, I agree. Another
amazing fact: Many of the nurses working in hospital and nursing homes
are diagnosed bi-polars...they do not have to disclose that on a job
application and work while medicated...trying to get rid of them once
hired is a horrendous legal process, even when they make med errors,
etc. I realize that there are many people who are controlled to a lvel
where they can lead a normal life and carry on their careers
succesfully, but there are also a number that take their meds
sporadically, are on the wrong med, or are just that bad off that their
meds aren't enough...and they're out there...we do so much to "protect"
individuals here, but who protects us from them when things go wrong?

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article ,
katy wrote:

Becasue the liberals passed the HIPPA (Hralth Insurance Portability and
Protection Act) laaws which disallow any release of medical information
if not specifically permitted by the patient...to release medical
information without the express permission of the subject is a breach of
privacy under this act and is prosecutable...hey...the libs wrote
it...talk to them...kid should have been in an institution...libs got
rid of those too so the mentally ill could mainstream with the rest of
society...


Ah, the liberals. Ok, so then what you're really saying is that the
Federal law is toothless.


What I'm saying is that laws clash with each other and take away the
teeth of each other...they bite themselves in the butt...an attorney
friend of mine, about as liberal as they come, worked on the HIPPA laws
when in development and is a lobbyist for the health care industry...she
is proud of the HIPPA Act, but does not understand the ramifications of
what it does in the workplace. Privacy laws on health care were already
in place..didn't need more...it's overkill and detrimental...and you
want to make gun laws (over the top of other gun laws) that in effect,
are the same...

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article ,
katy wrote:

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

In article ,
Dave wrote:


On 17 Apr 2007 12:46:29 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:



I'm advocating what
the majority of Americans want

Hurry!!! Jump on the band wagon.!


Hurry!!! Who gives a sh*t what the people actually want! Not the gun, oil,
insurance, tobacco lobbies...



Once again, which people Where are they? Why aren't there petitions? WHy
aren't there amendments? Why isn't Congress forcing it through? Tell you
why...your supposition is incorrect...


See previous list of big money interests.

And there are just as many big money interests funded by liberals to
lobby for their side of things. It's only bad when it's not your side,
right?

Did they release those Brit hostages yet?

SV

OzOne wrote in message news:

OK, so you have a set of loose gun control regulations
which will
allow mentally unstable people to purchase a pistol
because their
illness is only their affair.
Great!


Yes, we are.

OzOne wrote in message
...
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:19:58 -0400, "Scotty"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message news:

OK, so you have a set of loose gun control regulations
which will
allow mentally unstable people to purchase a pistol
because their
illness is only their affair.
Great!


Yes, we are.

Yes, I can see that you honestly believe that....


look it up.

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:51:59 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
. ..
On 17 Apr 2007 12:24:24 -0700, Bill
scribbled thusly:

Before proper gun control is instituted.....or are you really that
afraid of everything?

Yes lets blame the gun. it's the guns fault those people are dead,
not the person who knowingly killed them. Nope if holding that gun
was illegal he would have never done it I mean KILLING people isn't
illegal or anything. Plus it's always a good idea to restrict the
freedoms of people out of fear and control. It really doen't help
make people safer just gives that illusion. Do you know who were huge
supporters of gun control? Hitler, Stalin, Polpot and Mussilini. The
people thought just like you, that it would make them safer and give
them a better more civilized country. But that's somehow different.
Robbing you of freedoms is okay if the people are to stupid to realize
it like in your country. Most Americans are to and that really
bothers me. You shouldn't have to justify the desire to own a gun.
You shouldn't have to justify anything here that does not harm
others. My gun has never killed or harmed another person. I own it
legally and I shouldn't have to tell you why. I own many things that
I don't "need" but i still have them. I have some kitchen knives that
could kill someone but I don't have to register those.

Oh and byt he way assult rifles are illegal. The definition of an
assault rifle keeps changing bbut any fully automatic machine gun has
been illegal since 1934 here. To me that's more than enough
regulation but sadly there are plenty of other laws. The liberal
dip****s don't care about helping people they only care about passing
useless laws to make it look like they are doing something important
when they are doing nothing. In California, the gun control laws are
aimed at the apperance of the gun. They don't want someone to be shot
with something that looks scary. In the mean tim ethey are making
prison sentences shorter and letting a lot more murderers go free.
Yep it's the guns fault not the person that did the act. hey maybe
gun is out robbing a bank right now without me even knowing it.


Nope, blame a system which allows someone who is under treatment for
depression yet can walk up to the counter in a gunshop, slap down a
credit card and walk out with a pistol and ammunition...no check, no
wait...

The scenario you state isn't possible. The federal government mandates a
wait and background check. But what difference does it make. He could
walk
into any of a thousand sectors of virtually any city in the country and
walk
out with a handgun that's not traceable to anyone. And he'll probably pay
a
fraction for it compared with the legally-obtained one.

Max


Can you explain how this person under treatment for depression managed
to buy a gun from a gunshop if your system works?

I didn't imply the system works--only that the scenario you related was
impossible.

But to belabor the point, why would you expect such information--treatment
for depression--to surface on a background check here? Hell, our FBI and
CIA still don't effectively communicate with each other 6 years after
9/11/01. It's our government that is broken. And it's that same government
you want to administer gun control? That's laughable.

Max

"katy" wrote in message
...
OzOne wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:51:59 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
...

On 17 Apr 2007 12:24:24 -0700, Bill
scribbled thusly:


Before proper gun control is instituted.....or are you really that
afraid of everything?

Yes lets blame the gun. it's the guns fault those people are dead,
not the person who knowingly killed them. Nope if holding that gun
was illegal he would have never done it I mean KILLING people isn't
illegal or anything. Plus it's always a good idea to restrict the
freedoms of people out of fear and control. It really doen't help
make people safer just gives that illusion. Do you know who were huge
supporters of gun control? Hitler, Stalin, Polpot and Mussilini. The
people thought just like you, that it would make them safer and give
them a better more civilized country. But that's somehow different.
Robbing you of freedoms is okay if the people are to stupid to realize
it like in your country. Most Americans are to and that really
bothers me. You shouldn't have to justify the desire to own a gun.
You shouldn't have to justify anything here that does not harm
others. My gun has never killed or harmed another person. I own it
legally and I shouldn't have to tell you why. I own many things that
I don't "need" but i still have them. I have some kitchen knives that
could kill someone but I don't have to register those.

Oh and byt he way assult rifles are illegal. The definition of an
assault rifle keeps changing bbut any fully automatic machine gun has
been illegal since 1934 here. To me that's more than enough
regulation but sadly there are plenty of other laws. The liberal
dip****s don't care about helping people they only care about passing
useless laws to make it look like they are doing something important
when they are doing nothing. In California, the gun control laws are
aimed at the apperance of the gun. They don't want someone to be shot
with something that looks scary. In the mean tim ethey are making
prison sentences shorter and letting a lot more murderers go free.
Yep it's the guns fault not the person that did the act. hey maybe
gun is out robbing a bank right now without me even knowing it.


Nope, blame a system which allows someone who is under treatment for
depression yet can walk up to the counter in a gunshop, slap down a
credit card and walk out with a pistol and ammunition...no check, no
wait...

The scenario you state isn't possible. The federal government mandates a
wait and background check. But what difference does it make. He could
walk into any of a thousand sectors of virtually any city in the country
and walk out with a handgun that's not traceable to anyone. And he'll
probably pay a fraction for it compared with the legally-obtained one.

Max


Can you explain how this person under treatment for depression managed
to buy a gun from a gunshop if your system works?



Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.

Becasue the liberals passed the HIPPA (Hralth Insurance Portability and
Protection Act) laaws which disallow any release of medical information if
not specifically permitted by the patient...to release medical information
without the express permission of the subject is a breach of privacy under
this act and is prosecutable...hey...the libs wrote it...talk to
them...kid should have been in an institution...libs got rid of those too
so the mentally ill could mainstream with the rest of society...

Good point, Katy, and one I overlooked.

Let's not forget the threat of litigation that pervades nearly everything
dealing with people with problems in today's US climate. Several professors
knew the Cho kid had serious problems, but were advised by the university to
keep it low-profile lest the kid or his family sue the school for meddling.

Max