How many more?
 

We have knife and gun control.
So we don't have kids taking either to school.....

That brings up a goos point. Guns are illegal on all school property
in the U.S. except by law enforcement.

How many more?
 

So, a legal resident, who is arrested is thrown in a gulag without the
rights afforded to a US citizen??? Sorry, but that's your fantasy.

Wow you are really emotionally charged in your decision making aren't
you? You sound like a teenage girl on her period.

How many more?
 

I wonder about the ethics of that.
'If' it's considered necessary by so many people in the US to sport a
weapon to protect themselves against their own, How could you justify
an alien NOT being allowed to afford himself the same protection from
people who would often recognise him as a foreigner, possibly a
tourist and fair game?

You keep going on about the ability to protect your self but no one is
making arguments saying that guns are necessary to protect yourself or
even that we owns guns because we are afraid of something. Everyone
has been talking about the goverment taking away our freedoms and if
doing so is worth whatever benefit we may or may not have. I think
you are not even in the same argument here because you think that we
own guns soley for the need to protect ourselves but the fact is that
we should not have to justify ourselves at all. Here we have a thing
called innocent until proven guilty. Background checks and
regulations are fine as they are because they are designed to find out
if you have proven guilty already or not. If I haven't done anything
wrong then why should I be punished?

How many more?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
katy wrote:
Because it's our reffing country, that's why....if you want to play the
American way, tehn become an American....otherwise don't expect the
perks without the paying the price...

This country was founded and has prospered because of non-natives. I
guess being a legal alien since he was five doesn't count for much in
your book. Perhaps he should have been deported.

No one is implying that. Legal aliens have many rights in this country.
But should owning/possessing a gun be one of them? I doubt if the
founding
fathers would have bought into that.

How does one figure it out? In the case of a rifle, in a gun shop, you
don't need to prove your citizenship. Many gun shops don't even follow
the minimal regs that are on the books.

Where are you getting this BS? Gun dealers are under the close and constant
scrutiny of the BATFE. Screw up even slightly and the dealer loses his FFL.

I believe he just walked in,
plunked down a CC and away went 33 lives.

He didn't. Look it up.

Max

How many more?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:
Easy access to handguns is an American fact of life--now and forever.
Do

People thought the same thing about slavery...

Are you attempting to equate the abolition of slavery to gun control???
Would you be willing to plunge the country into years of civil war
resulting
in the death of hundreds of thousands, the destruction of cities, a failed
economy, all in order to save a few dozen lives each year?

Nope. But, you did quite nicely. What you describe isn't that far from
what is already happening due to gun violence... someone said, 30K a
year, not counting collateral damage to families.

Remove inner city violence and get back to me with new figures. That 30K
figure is one the anti-gun crowd loves to bandy about, but it isn't
representative of the issues facing gun control advocates. Do you honestly
believe you're going to stop the shootings between gangs with gun control
legislation?

Max

How many more?
 

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:17:35 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
katy wrote:
Because it's our reffing country, that's why....if you want to play the
American way, tehn become an American....otherwise don't expect the
perks without the paying the price...

This country was founded and has prospered because of non-natives. I
guess being a legal alien since he was five doesn't count for much in
your book. Perhaps he should have been deported.

No one is implying that. Legal aliens have many rights in this country.
But should owning/possessing a gun be one of them? I doubt if the
founding
fathers would have bought into that.

Max


I wonder about the ethics of that.
'If' it's considered necessary by so many people in the US to sport a
weapon to protect themselves against their own, How could you justify
an alien NOT being allowed to afford himself the same protection from
people who would often recognise him as a foreigner, possibly a
tourist and fair game?

Find a medium with one hell of a crystal ball and have a seance. Order up
the spirits of the founding fathers and ask 'em.

Max

How many more?
 

So you maintain that people keep guns only because it's their right to
do so?

No I believe that self defence is an issue but I should not have to
justify that I need it for self defence. People own guns for a lot of
reasons. Collecting, hunting, recreational shooting, memorabelia,
because they like them. I am willing to bet that 90% of the things
you own you don't need. You could live without them but you choose
not to. You shouldn't have to justify the desire to own them. Oh and
I bet I could come up with a way for you to harm someone with any of
those things if you got mad enough.

How many more?
 

Bill, Collecting and hunting are very different matters and can be
covered in legislation.
It's pistol ownership for whatever reason that needs to be
addressed....and yes, I do have stuff I don't need, but that stuff
does not include a lethal weapon .

Pistols can't be collected or used for target pratice? Really? Why
is a pistol any different than a rifle or a shotgun? in fact rifles
and shotguns are far more powerful than any pistol. I like shooting
pistols at the range. I do have one for selfe defense should the need
ever arise. I mostly like the pistol because it is a reproduction of
a great handgun used for over 90 years by the military and I think it
is a really well designed thing that I can use for personal enjoyment
and should I need to, to protect myself and my family. Why is that
wrong? I own a car and have come much closer to harming people with
that than I have ever come with my gun. Again more people die in cars
than with a gun every year but nobody advocates eliminating those. You
can generate a lot more power with a vehicle than you can with a
bullet.

How many more?
 

Tell me Bill when was the last time you recall someone driving a car
into a school and murdering 30 people?
OR INDEED DRIVING A CAR INTO ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE AND MURDERING SCORES?

Maybe this looks familiar. No guns were used by the attckers. NEARLY
200 DEAD. Again those that don't care for human life and want to kill
will always find a way. THEY DON'T CARE IF OWNING A GUN IS ILLEGAL.



I'd hate to be losing...


Car bombs kill nearly 200 in deadliest Iraq attacks


From correspondents in Iraq


April 19, 2007 08:39am
Article from: NEWS.com.au


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* 190 killed in attacks in Shiite districts
* 'Swimming pool of blood' at crowded market
* Iraqi PM blames extremist "vampires"


FOUR car bombs detonated in a co-ordinated attack have killed more
than 190 people in Baghdad in the deadliest attacks in the city since
US and Iraqi forces launched a security crackdown aimed at halting
the
country's slide into sectarian civil war.


One car bomb alone at a bustling market in the mainly Shiite Sadriya
neighbourhood killed 140 people and wounded 150, police have said.


"The street was transformed into a swimming pool of blood," said
Ahmed
Hameed, a shopkeeper near the scene.


Among the other attacks to have struck the capital, police have said
a
suicide car bomber killed 35 people and wounded more than 70 at a
checkpoint in Sadr City, stronghold of the firebrand cleric Moqtada
al-Sadr.


More were reported killed in two other attacks. All were apparently
timed to coincide with each other, hours after Shiite Prime Minister
Nouri al-Maliki said Iraq would take security control of the whole
country from foreign forces by the end of the year.


Mr Maliki blamed the attacks on infidels and Sunni extremist
"vampires" and said the Iraqi Army commander responsible for the area
had been detained and would be investigated over the "weakness" of
his
protection of civilians.


"This monstrous attack today did not distinguish between the old and
young, between men and women. It targeted the population in a way
that
reminds us of the massacres and genocide committed by the former
dictatorship," he said.


Mr Maliki is under growing pressure to say when US troops will leave,
but the attacks in mainly Shiite areas of Baghdad underscored the
huge
security challenges.


US Defence Secretary Robert Gates has said the US will not be shaken
from its mission of pacifying sectarian tensions in Iraq and would
push on with its new strategy to do so, in which 80,000 US and Iraqi
troops are patrolling Iraqi streets.


"We have anticipated from the very beginning... that the insurgency
and others would increase the violence to make the people of Iraq
believe the plan is a failure," he has said.


"We intend to persist to show that it is not."


Burned alive


"I saw dozens of dead bodies. Some people were burned alive inside
minibuses. Nobody could reach them after the explosion," said a
witness at Sadriya, describing scenes of mayhem at an intersection
where the bomb exploded.


"There were pieces of flesh all over the place. Women were screaming
and shouting for their loved ones who died," said the witness who did
not wish to be identified, adding many of the dead were women and
children.


Firefighters doused nearby cars and buses, as dozens of ambulances
and
pick-up trucks ferried wounded to hospital and volunteers wrapped
charred bodies in carpets for transport to the city's overflowing
mortuaries.


One man waving his arms in the air screamed hysterically: "Where's
Maliki? Let him come and see what is happening here."


"Where is the security plan? We are not protected by this plan," the
bereaved shouted.


US and Iraqi forces began deploying thousands more troops onto
Baghdad's streets in February.


US military spokesman Rear Admiral Mark Fox has admitted commanders
were frustrated at their inability to prevent such car bombings, but
insisted Iraq was not witnessing any further escalation of sectarian
violence.


Al-Qaeda is blamed for most of the major bombings targeting Shiites
in
Iraq and there are fears Sadr's Mehdi Army - which numbers in the
tens
of thousands - may take to the streets to retaliate.


"There is no magic solution to put out the fire of sectarian sedition
that some are trying to set up, especially al Qaeda," Mr Maliki said
in a speech made on his behalf before the attacks.


The Sadriya bombing was the highest death toll in a single attack in
Baghdad since a truck bomb killed 135 people in the same area on
February 3.


- Reuters and AFP


Oz1...of the 3 twins.


I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.

How many more?
 

Yes Bill, but it's not one armed person in the US.......maybe you
could throw in 911 now to get totally off the track.

I am aware that they are not in the U.S. but the fact remains that if
you want to kill someone, there are ways to do it even if guns are not
involved. That is point being illustrated. That people that want to
kill others do so without regard to what laws some liberal made. If
there are no guns available to kill the amount of people they are
after then they load up a car and blow up ten times more.