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Maxprop wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article , katy wrote: I just read that...IMO , whether someone is a permanent resident or not, non-citizens have no right to have a gun....that needs to be rectified... Is that because you're discounting an entire people? Read the Constitution, Jon. The Second Amendment applies to citizens. Is that really so difficult to grasp? Thank god for the Gitmo gulag then! -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Maxprop wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article . com, Joe wrote: They had guns in 1927. Point is the mass murder took place without guns. Keep at it. Maybe you should claim Hillary did it. Why would I blame Hillary? The only one to blame is the Seung-hui Cho. Thats something you liberal seems to not understand, people are responsible for their own actions. Nope. Hillary is to blame. She a liberal QED she did it. Typical liberal--blame everyone but the person at fault. g I apologize. Bush did it. g -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Maxprop wrote: Easy access to handguns is an American fact of life--now and forever. Do People thought the same thing about slavery... Are you attempting to equate the abolition of slavery to gun control??? Would you be willing to plunge the country into years of civil war resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands, the destruction of cities, a failed economy, all in order to save a few dozen lives each year? Nope. But, you did quite nicely. What you describe isn't that far from what is already happening due to gun violence... someone said, 30K a year, not counting collateral damage to families. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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In article , katy wrote: Because it's our reffing country, that's why....if you want to play the American way, tehn become an American....otherwise don't expect the perks without the paying the price... This country was founded and has prospered because of non-natives. I guess being a legal alien since he was five doesn't count for much in your book. Perhaps he should have been deported. Not deported but the question rises as to why, at the age of 23, he had not declred citzenship or the intent of taking citizenship. Most Maybe because he had mental problems or maybe because at 23, having been here since he was a baby, he really didn't see the urgency? Who knows. It makes no difference at all But it does make a difference...there is none so blind as those that cannot see...take off your blinders, Jon... resident aliens can't wait for their 7 years to be up so they can become a citizen. If you have no intention of becoming a citizen, then why have permanent resident status unless you're a representative of a foreign country? I am not speaking here about visas for people who come here with a specific purpose for a specific time. They come and they go and that's all right. I don't care if non-citizens go to our colleges and universities as long as they take what they learned back to improve their own nations. I do take issue with people that come here to drink from our well and then spit in it when they're finished. Who decides? You? As in the collective "you". yes...all of us...the citizens of this country... |
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In article , katy wrote: The ramifications of resident aliens being able to buy guns...the guns can and do end up leaving the country...the guns end up in terrorist hands....we've legalized a way for an enemy to infiltrate and destroy us and our allies...we've opened up a vehicle for gun trafficking that is based on a leagailty... That would be the least of our worries. The enemies are all around us, batten down the hatches! Hurry! That's almost laughable that you react that way when the terrorists from 9/11 were in this country, perpetrated their crime in this country, and were trained in this country...yes...the enemy IS all around us becasue we frickin let them in, harbor them, and encourage them by our apathy to blow us up, shoot us, and destroy our economy... |
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In article , katy wrote: Jonathan Ganz wrote: In article , katy wrote: I just read that...IMO , whether someone is a permanent resident or not, non-citizens have no right to have a gun....that needs to be rectified... Is that because you're discounting an entire people? I'm discounting anyone who is not an American citizen... Ah... like Tony Blair, Nelson Mandela, Ghandi, the Pope... those people. Now you're being absolutely stupid...none of those people are resident aliens or never would be..only person I can think of at the moment that is a resident alien with that status is the Dali Lama...and he is a political refuge and is hjere under the flag of diplomacy...totally different...as are all refuges here because of a diplomatic event...they did not choose to leave their countries and abandon their ideals, their countries chose to change the ideal and make them a wanted person or a partiah...I |
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katy wrote: But it does make a difference...there is none so blind as those that cannot see...take off your blinders, Jon... Nice pat answer that means nothing. As in the collective "you". yes...all of us...the citizens of this country... Collective? Sounds commie to me. I think one person should decide. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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katy wrote: That would be the least of our worries. The enemies are all around us, batten down the hatches! Hurry! That's almost laughable that you react that way when the terrorists from 9/11 were in this country, perpetrated their crime in this country, and were trained in this country...yes...the enemy IS all around us becasue we frickin let them in, harbor them, and encourage them by our apathy to blow us up, shoot us, and destroy our economy... I don't believe they tried to export any guns, which was your argument. And, since you brought it up, Republicans were in charge and had been warned by the previous administration. They went on vacation. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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katy wrote: Now you're being absolutely stupid...none of those people are resident aliens or never would be..only person I can think of at the moment that is a resident alien with that status is the Dali Lama...and he is a political refuge and is hjere under the flag of diplomacy...totally different...as are all refuges here because of a diplomatic event...they did not choose to leave their countries and abandon their ideals, their countries chose to change the ideal and make them a wanted person or a partiah...I We should definitely not let the Dali Lama buy a gun... oh no... -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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The ramifications of resident aliens being able to buy guns...the guns can and do end up leaving the country...the guns end up in terrorist hands....we've legalized a way for an enemy to infiltrate and destroy us and our allies...we've opened up a vehicle for gun trafficking that is based on a leagailty... I assure you that terrorist organizations get weapons using much simpler and more efficient methods than smuggling sporting weapons acquired one at a time in the U.S... They either get their weaponry given to them buy a sympathetic government, who may well have acquired those arms through legal channels. There have been reports over the years of the US government either outright giving weapons to other regimes or heavily subsidizing those transactions, only to have the same weapons turn up at later date pointed at US troops or their allies. Then there's always the arms dealer route, quasi legitimate people who buy large quantities of arms from US manufactures promising to transfer the weapons to users acceptable to the US gov'mint, presenting false End Use Certificates, there have been many credible reports that would suggest that the gov'mint is perfectly well aware of this, but chooses to do nothing about it. Cheers Marty ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------ For a quality usenet news server, try DNEWS, easy to install, fast, efficient and reliable. For home servers or carrier class installations with millions of users it will allow you to grow! ---- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_dnews.htm ---- |
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